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Dear Ronald: In French, au contraire! Are you familiar with the radical koine pas?

The all the more perfect Plan of Father=

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled..."

This is a beautiful passage, I quote it often. It is written to Christians. It begins with a greeting to the SAINTS, who are giving thanks, addressing their faith and hope, and rewards in heaven. "All things which He intended to reconcile. All things that are good come from God. All His sheep were intended to be reconciled. Not all are His sheep!
You seem to want to negate ALL JUDGMENT, DESTRUCTION, THE LAKE OF FIRE AND ALL SCRIPTURE THAT SPEAKS OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS.
Christians already have gone round and round with you on this topic, no need for me to try to teach you anything about it. Have it your way in your mind and be at peace -- I am.
But take this with you:
"But transgressors and sinners will be crushed together,
and those who forsake the LORD will come to an end." Isaiah 1:28
"Behold the day of the LORD is coming,
Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;
And He will exterminate its sinners from it." Isaiah 13:9
Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the LORD'S wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth." Zeph1:18

At the end of time, when God destroys the first earth and heaven, those who are left on the earth after the Second Resurrection will be toast. All who were waiting in Hades will be resurrected for this special occasion.
Here is another passage concerning the First Resurrection during the Great Tribulation period. Many nations will come against Jerusalem and be destroyed. This is a passage that describes their destruction: "And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." Zech. 14:12 This happens to describe perfectly the effects of a nuclear blast.
Oh, I suppose you would say, this is punishment or just chastising those he loves?
 
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Dear Ronald: That is according to your doctrine. The "especially" of His love and grace are not just "getting into heaven" they are entering into the here and now the vast dimensions of His Life. But mark this well: God is the Saviour of all men (not some men or many men), He is the Saviour of all mankind "especially" those who believe/trust in Him.

Especially= malista.

Only= monon/ monos
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The Bible says death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26). Then God becomes all "in ALL" (v.28).

"Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead."



Jesus also said it is impossible for men to be saved. Yet with God all is possible. Men are not able to cross the chasm in their own ability, but Love Omnipotent is able to bring them across. God doesn't let those evil doers in Hades cross just because they want to, for then they would all cross over immediately & not learn the lessons they need to learn to become saved. They must meet the usual conditions for salvation, confession, repentance & genuine faith.

Matt.23:33 says nothing about anyone never being saved:

Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How shall you escape from the sentence of Gehenna?

Nowhere does any Scripture say God's love expires, or He is unable to save anyone or anyone will never be saved. Quite the contrary.



He'll also destroy death. So all will have life & be saved.



"The word hated didn’t have the same meaning to the biblical writer as it does to us. To the biblical writer, you “hated” someone when you chose another person for a position of more favor or honor. For example, in Genesis 29:31, we are told that God saw that Leah was hated by Jacob, so He opened her womb. Yet we have every indication that Jacob was fond of Leah. He loved Rachel more, but he treated Leah with kindness. (Before Jacob died he asked to be buried with Leah.) Luke 14:26 gives another example of the biblical use of the term hated. Jesus said that we should “hate” our parents for His sake. He certainly wasn’t telling us to dislike them or to wish them evil. He only asked that we regard them as less important than Him, which is completely reasonable given who He is." What did Paul Mean When He Wrote that God Loved Jacob and Hated Esau?



Of course He did & still does. God "so loved the world" (Jn.3:16) which is spoken long after the flood. Do you think Love Omnipotent hated all the children & babies who died in the flood? Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,



God loosed Satan on Job & his family, bringing horrific disease, death & destruction. God brought destruction on this man for his own good:

1 Cor.5:3b I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.
1 Cor.5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

1 Tim.1:19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.…

Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

Isa.57:17 “Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him;
I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart.
18“I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Because I have sinned against him, I will bear the LORD’s wrath, until he pleads my case and upholds my cause. He will bring me out into the light;I will see his righteousness. (Micah 7:9)

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.




Man's words & opinion. Not Scripture.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."



No one is so evil that Love Omnipotent is helpless, too weak & impotent to save them.



Some people don't presently believe Scripture or even if they see a miracle. That doesn't prove they will never believe. Thomas was a disciple of Jesus for years, saw many of His miracles, yet refused to believe in His resurrection unless He saw Jesus. Just like many atheists today. One day they will see Him, just like Thomas did. And all of them will eventually believe, repent & be saved.




The reference is to a "city", not people:

19 For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee;

There is no point to go round and round. I do not, nor do the majority of 2.4 billion Christians accept Universalism. It seems only 1 in 3000 Christians are Universalists. I'll go along with the majority, thanks.
 
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This is a beautiful passage, I quote it often. It is written to Christians. It begins with a greeting to the SAINTS, who are giving thanks, addressing their faith and hope, and rewards in heaven. "All things which He intended to reconcile. All things that are good come from God. All His sheep were intended to be reconciled. Not all are His sheep!
You seem to want to negate ALL JUDGMENT, DESTRUCTION, THE LAKE OF FIRE AND ALL SCRIPTURE THAT SPEAKS OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS.

The all the more perfect Plan of Father=

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled..."

alternate plan b=

Dear Ronald: God goes far beyond what He "intends" to reconcile to what is His thelo and what shall indeed be reconciled! Welcome to the radical pas of the all. The sheep are His, the goats are His.

When you are prepared to discuss kolazo and kolasis, if ever, you will discover why F.L. has zero interest in negating any aspect of judgement, destruction and the Limne of Theos.

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends...
 
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There is no point to go round and round. I do not, nor do the majority of 2.4 billion Christians accept Universalism. It seems only 1 in 3000 Christians are Universalists. I'll go along with the majority, thanks.

As an annihilationist do you think annihilation has ever been anything but a small minority view in the church? You provided no evidence, polls, surveys or anything to substantiate your opinions. You also didn't take into account early church universalism, which may have been the majority view:

"Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years": Universalism...First 500 Years

"The Ancient History of Universalism":
https://s3.amazonaws.com/unsearchab.../©CPC+The+Ancient+History+of+Universalism.pdf

Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times:
Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times

Early church writings re final destiny:
Early church writings re final destiny (paradise, Gospel, incarnation, Jehovah) - Christianity -  - City-Data Forum

Articles on the history of Christian Universalism throughout the centuries
 
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Take 13

You, the proponents of damning our Fathers vast majority to damnation will not fill in the blanks.

Why??

There is one (1) passage of Canon for "everlasting punishment" (Matt.25). This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.

This should be so easy for you!

According to the context of St. Matthew 25, and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.

The foundation for "everlasting punishment" Matt. 25=

1._____________________________________________________________?

2._____________________________________________________________?

3._____________________________________________________________?

4._____________________________________________________________?

5._____________________________________________________________?
 
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Dear Ronald: You disagree do you. >>>>>

To what do you disagree?

1. The meaning of malista?

2. The meaning of monos & monon?

3. What St. Paul commands to be taught in in 1 Tim. 4.10?

4. All of the above?

The "especially" of His love and grace are not just "getting into heaven" they are entering into the here and now the vast dimensions of His Life. But mark this well: God is the Saviour of all men (not some men or many men), He is the Saviour of all mankind "especially" those who believe/trust in Him.

Especially= malista.

Only= monon/ monos
 
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Why did God create a place like hell to put "damned souls and spirits" in it? Isnt it more merciful to control/alt/delete those souls from creation instead of punishing them and making them suffer forever?
Why did you ask if God did something as if He did it ?
Did anyone yet reveal from Scripture that God did NOT create a place like hell to put "damned souls and spirits" in it ?

I briefly looked at your other posts, and am encouraged by them that you are for real, seeking the truth, of course as I and everyone else are subject to testing, likewise you are subject to testing, with the positive expectation of being found in truth.
 
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But take this with you:
"But transgressors and sinners will be crushed together,
and those who forsake the LORD will come to an end." Isaiah 1:28

Young's Literal Translation
And the destruction of transgressors and sinners is together, And those forsaking Jehovah are consumed.

When dead bodies of people are cremated they are "consumed". That is not the end of them since all of them will be resurrected.

"Behold the day of the LORD is coming,
Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;
And He will exterminate its sinners from it." Isaiah 13:9

Young's Literal Translation
Lo, the day of Jehovah doth come, Fierce, with wrath, and heat of anger, To make the land become a desolation, Yea, its sinning ones He destroyeth from it.

The destruction there refers to bodies dying "from...the land" i.e. on earth, not some postmortem or post resurrection hell.

Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the LORD'S wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth." Zeph1:18

Zeph.1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Many versions translate with the word "land", i.e. Israel, instead of "earth". In either case the verse isn't speaking about final destiny. It doesn't support the false doctrine that many people will be annihilated for eternity.








 
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There is no point to go round and round. I do not, nor do the majority of 2.4 billion Christians accept Universalism. It seems only 1 in 3000 Christians are Universalists. I'll go along with the majority, thanks.

well according to you the majority is going to hell. maybe its time for you to rethink your position.
 
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well according to you the majority is going to hell. maybe its time for you to rethink your position.

Dear Pneuma: poor dear Ronald indeed must rethink his broken position.

He thinks the Master of Reconciliation thinks more highly of broken pieces of fish and bread that nothing be lost/apollumi, but the ones for whom He makes atonement shall be lost. Methinks Ronald must begin rethinking his position soon!

Apollumi - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard

“This is the God of the gospel of grace. A God who, out of love for us, sent the only Son He ever had wrapped in our skin. He learned how to walk, stumbled and fell, cried for His milk, sweated blood in the night, was lashed with a whip and showered with spit, was fixed to a cross, and died whispering forgiveness on us all.”

- Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt out-
 
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Dear Pneuma: poor dear Ronald indeed must rethink his broken position.

He thinks the Master of Reconciliation thinks more highly of broken pieces of fish and bread that nothing be lost/apollumi, but the ones for whom He makes atonement shall be lost. Methinks Ronald must begin rethinking his position soon!

Apollumi - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard

“This is the God of the gospel of grace. A God who, out of love for us, sent the only Son He ever had wrapped in our skin. He learned how to walk, stumbled and fell, cried for His milk, sweated blood in the night, was lashed with a whip and showered with spit, was fixed to a cross, and died whispering forgiveness on us all.”

- Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt out-
 
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FineLinen said:
Dear Pneuma: poor dear Ronald indeed must rethink his broken position.
He thinks the Master of Reconciliation thinks more highly of broken pieces of fish and bread that nothing be lost/apollumi, but the ones for whom He makes atonement shall be lost. Methinks Ronald must begin rethinking his position soon!
I wonder if the disciples were thinking, as they gathered the broken pieces, "Jesus isn't really talking about broken pieces of bread and fish. What He really means is He is going to save all mankind, sinners along with saints, unrighteous along with the righteous?" Unlike sinners the broken pieces were just lying there. They were not deliberately running away, hiding trying to not be eaten.
FL said:
“This is the God of the gospel of grace. A God who, out of love for us, sent the only Son He ever had wrapped in our skin. He learned how to walk, stumbled and fell, cried for His milk, sweated blood in the night, was lashed with a whip and showered with spit, was fixed to a cross, and died whispering forgiveness on us all.”
- Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt out-
Jesus' forgiveness from the cross was not directed to all mankind but those who had harmed Him, His disciples who had abandoned Him, Judas who had betrayed Him. The Jews who turned Him over to the Romans and the Romans who actually beat, whipped and crucified Him.
.....Remember Jesus also said this.

• “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned the existing Jewish view of eternal hell, outlined above. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence.[/indent]
Where does Jesus say those who are cursed in Matt 25:41 are no longer cursed?
 
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The all the more perfect Plan of Father=

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled..."

alternate plan b=

Dear Ronald: God goes far beyond what He "intends" to reconcile to what is His thelo and what shall indeed be reconciled! Welcome to the radical pas of the all. The sheep are His, the goats are His.

When you are prepared to discuss kolazo and kolasis, if ever, you will discover why F.L. has zero interest in negating any aspect of judgement, destruction and the Limne of Theos.

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends...

amen. God said in the beginning of his creation, let us make humankind in our image and likeness and God will not fail to do that which He said He would do.

Humanity will be made in His image and likeness.
 
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When you are prepared to discuss kolazo and kolasis, if ever, you will discover why F.L. has zero interest in negating any aspect of judgement, destruction and the Limne of Theos

Sure. The word kolasis is used in Matt. 25:46, which happens to be a very important scripture:
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal."KJV

Notice aionion is used twice but there is a difference. The translators knew. Everlasting is and should be translated age-during or age-lasting. It reflects a temporal realm to be destroyed and ended someday. Eternal however is used for life, which is in God's domain, not temporal. Other translations used eternal for both which is sloppy and incorrect. Again aionios/aionion have variable meanings according to which realm they are applied to.
Kolasis is translated as punishment AND cutting off. But we all know punishment in this case is spiritual death, separation from God. You either receive life or death. Just as capital punishment in the court of law means physical death. In the same way, you cannot physical die over and over continuously. By hanging, a bullet, an injection, the electric chair, the punishment is over in few minutes.
So and age-lasting cutting off and eternal life are the either/or destinies. We understand that God has grafted us into the VINE and He has cut off some so that we could be grafted in.(Rom.11:17)

Other words used for destruction would be "apoleia" and "olethros". Let's look at these words in key scriptures.
"for many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction
(apoleia)..." Phil. 3:18, 19
So, "end" is what destruction means.

"But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction
(apoleia) of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7 NAS
***Notice that the earth and heavens are reserved for destruction in fire along with ungodly men. So does that mean a temporal punishment for the earth or will it be annihilated? Let's move a few verses forward:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10

"These shall be punished with everlasting destruction
(olethros) from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." 2 Thes. 1:9

The previous verses and these as well are not too popular with your religious views. They are probably ignored or distorted. People choose to see what they want. I'm done.
 
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Sure. The word kolasis is used in Matt. 25:46, which happens to be a very important scripture:
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal."KJV
Notice aionion is used twice but there is a difference. The translators knew. Everlasting is and should be translated age-during or age-lasting. It reflects a temporal realm to be destroyed and ended someday. Eternal however is used for life, which is in God's domain, not temporal. Other translations used eternal for both which is sloppy and incorrect. Again aionios/aionion have variable meanings according to which realm they are applied to.
Kolasis is translated as punishment AND cutting off. But we all know punishment in this case is spiritual death, separation from God. You either receive life or death. Just as capital punishment in the court of law means physical death. In the same way, you cannot physical die over and over continuously. By hanging, a bullet, an injection, the electric chair, the punishment is over in few minutes.
So and age-lasting cutting off and eternal life are the either/or destinies. We understand that God has grafted us into the VINE and He has cut off some so that we could be grafted in.(Rom.11:17)
Other words used for destruction would be "apoleia" and "olethros". Let's look at these words in key scriptures.
"for many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction (apoleia)..." Phil. 3:18, 19
So, "end" is what destruction means.
"But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction (apoleia) of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7 NAS
***Notice that the earth and heavens are reserved for destruction in fire along with ungodly men. So does that mean a temporal punishment for the earth or will it be annihilated? Let's move a few verses forward:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10

"These shall be punished with everlasting destruction (olethros) from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." 2 Thes. 1:9
The previous verses and these as well are not too popular with your religious views. They are probably ignored or distorted. People choose to see what they want. I'm done.
In this verse olethros cannot mean destruction, i.e. no longer existing. Something that no longer exists cannot be "from the presence of the Lord" or anything else.
 
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amen. God said in the beginning of his creation, let us make humankind in our image and likeness and God will not fail to do that which He said He would do.

Humanity will be made in His image and likeness.
Amen to what idea ? To the unbiblical idea of universalism ? (that everyone will be saved no matter what they do, directly contrary to all that Scripture says and all that Jesus died for )
 
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QUOTE="Der Alter, post: 73494355, member: 11484"]I wonder if the disciples were thinking, as they gathered the broken pieces, "Jesus isn't really talking about broken pieces of bread and fish. What He really means is He is going to save all mankind, sinners along with saints, unrighteous along with the righteous?" Unlike sinners the broken pieces were just lying there. They were not deliberately running away, hiding trying to not be eaten.

Jesus' forgiveness from the cross was not directed to all mankind but those who had harmed Him, His disciples who had abandoned Him, Judas who had betrayed Him. The Jews who turned Him over to the Romans and the Romans who actually beat, whipped and crucified Him.
.....Remember Jesus also said this.

• “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned the existing Jewish view of eternal hell, outlined above. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence.[/indent]
Where does Jesus say those who are cursed in Matt 25:41 are no longer cursed?
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Many do not ever enter into His Rest, as written in Scripture. They resist or reject or ignore Jesus and God the Father until they die, then are forever lost.

What Jesus Says , What God's Word Says, cannot be comprehended by the natural or the unregenerate mind of men. They cannot grasp anything spiritual,
according to Jesus.
 
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FineLinen said:
D.A.: Instead of pushing your limited scope asking "how can these things be?", focus on the simple words of the Christ for the five(5) qualifications for "everlasting punishment". They are according to the context & ONLY the context what??
You are the one with limited scope.
What context are you talking about? What is the event, statement or idea you are referring to?
Context according to OED.

The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.
  1. 1.1 The parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
 
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