same Greek word same meaning
"σπέρμα spérma, sper'-mah; from G4687; something sown, i.e. seed (including the male "sperm"); by implication, offspring; specially, a remnant (figuratively, as if kept over for planting):—issue, seed."
the seed is Christ (Gal 3)
the seed is the word of God (Luke 8)
first of all God is no respecter of persons, and have not the faith of our Lord with respect of persons James 2.
"Secondly, That for this end God hath communicated and given unto every man a measure of the Light of his own Son, a measure of grace, or a measure of the Spirit, which the Scripture expresses by several names, as sometimes of "the seed of the kingdom" (Matt. 13:18-19); the "Light that makes all things manifest" (Eph. 5:13); the "Word of God" (Rom. 10:17)" (Robert Barclay 1678)
"That this saving Light and Seed, or a measure of it, is given to all, Christ telleth expressly in the parable of the sower (Matt. 13 from v. 18; Mark 4, and Luke 8:11), he saith That this "seed" sown in those several sorts of grounds is the "Word of the Kingdom," which the apostle calls the Word of faith (Rom. 10:8, James 1:21) the "implanted ingrafted Word, which is able to save the soul"; the words themselves declare that it is that, which is saving, in the nature of it, for in the good ground, it fructified abundantly."(Robert Barclay 1678)
Clement of Alexandria saith (lib. 2, Stromat.), "The divine Word hath cried, calling all, knowing well those that will not obey. And yet, because it is in our power either to obey or not to obey, that none may have a pretext of ignorance it hath made a righteous call and requireth but that which is according to the ability and strength of every one." The selfsame, in his Warning to the Gentiles: "For as" (saith he) "that heavenly ambassador of the Lord, the grace of God that brings salvation, hath appeared unto all, &c. This is the new song, coming, and manifestation of the Word which now shows itself in us, which was in the beginning and was first of all." And again, "Hear, therefore, ye that are afar off; hear ye who are near; the Word is hid from none, the Light is common to all and shineth to all. There is no darkness in the Word; let us hasten to salvation, to the new birth, that we, being many, may be gathered unto the one alone love." Ibid., he saith that "There is infused into all, but principally into those that are trained up in doctrine, a certain divine influence,." And again he speaketh concerning "the innate witness, worthy of belief, which of itself doth plainly choose that which is most honest." And again he saith, "That it is not impossible to come unto the Truth and lay hold of it, seeing it is most near to us, in our own houses, as the most wise Moses declareth, living in three parts of us: viz., in our hands, in our mouth, and in our heart. This," saith he, "is a most true badge of the Truth, which is also fulfilled in three things, namely in counsel, in action, in speaking." And again he saith also unto the unbelieving nations, "Receive Christ, receive Light, receive sight to the end thou mayest rightly know both God and man. The Word that hath enlightened us is more pleasant than gold, and the stone of great value." And again he saith, "Let us receive the Light that we may receive God; let us receive the Light that we may be the scholars of the Lord." And again he saith to those infidel nations, "The heavenly Spirit helpeth thee; resist and flee pleasure." Again (lib. Strom. 5) he saith, "God forbid that man be not a partaker of divine acquaintance, who in Genesis is said to be a partaker of inspiration." And (Paed. lib,. 1, cap. 3), "There is," saith he, "some lovely and some desirable thing in man which is called the in-breathing of God,." The same man (lib. Strom. 10) directeth men unto the Light and Water in themselves, who have the eye of the soul darkened or dimmed through evil upbringing and learning: let them enter in unto their own domestic Light, or unto the Light which is in their own house, unto the Truth which manifests accurately and clearly these things that have been written.
Justin Martyr, in his first apology, saith, "that the Word which was and is, is in all; even that very same Word which, through the prophets, foretold things to come."
The writer of the Call of all Nations, saith (lib. i, cap. 2), "We believe according to the same (viz. Scripture), and most religiously confess, that God was never wanting in care to the generality of men; who although he did lead by particular lessons, a people gathered to himself unto godliness, yet he withdrew from no nation of men the gifts of his own goodness, that they might be convinced that they had received the words of the prophets, and legal commands in services and testimonies of the first principles." Cap. 7, he saith, "That he believes that the help of grace hath been wholly withdrawn from no man." Lib. 2, cap. l, "Because, albeit salvation is far from sinners, yet there is nothing void of the presence and virtue of his salvation." Cap. 2, "But seeing none of that people over whom was set both the doctrines, were justified but through Grace by the Spirit of faith, who can question, but that they, who of whatsoever nation, in whatsoever times, could please God, were ordered by the Spirit of the Grace of God: which albeit in fore-time it was more sparing and hid, yet denied itself to no ages, being in virtue one, in quantity different, in counsel unchangeable, in operation multifarious."
Clement of Alexandria saith (Apol. ii., Strom. lib. i.), that "this wisdom or philosophy was necessary to the Gentiles, and was their schoolmaster to lead them unto Christ, by which of old the Greeks were justified."
"Nor do I think," saith Augustine, in his book of the City of God, lib. 18, cap. 47, "that the Jews dare affirm that none belonged unto God but the Israelites." Upon which place Ludovicus Vives saith, that "thus the Gentiles, not having a law, were a law unto themselves; and the light of so living is the gift of God, and proceeds from the Son; of whom it is written that he enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world."
Augustine also testifies in his Confessions (lib. 7, cap. 9), that "he had read in the writings of the Platonists, though not in the very same words, yet that which by many and multiplied reasons did persuade, that 'in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, this was in the beginning with God, by which all things were made, and without which nothing was made that was made: in him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men: and the Light shined in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. And, albeit the soul gives testimony concerning the Light, yet it is not the Light, but the Word of God; for God is the true Light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world'"; and so repeats to verse 14 of John 1, adding, "These things have I there read."
Yea, there is a book translated out of the Arabic, which gives an account of one Hai Eben Yokdan, who, without converse of man, living in an island alone, attained to such a profound knowledge of God, as to have immediate converse with him, and to affirm, "That the best and most certain knowledge of God, is not that which is attained by premises premised, and conclusions deduced, but that which is enjoyed by conjunction of the mind of man with the supreme intellect, after the mind is purified from its corruptions, and is separated from all bodily images, and is gathered into a profound
Seeing then it is by this inward Gift, Grace, and Light, that both those, that have the Gospel preached unto them, come to have Jesus brought forth in them, and to have the saving and sanctified use of all outward helps and advantages; and also by this same Light, that all may come to be saved; and that God calls, invites, and strives with all, in a day, and saveth many, to whom he hath not seen meet to convey this outward knowledge; therefore we, having the experience of the inward and powerful work of this Light in our hearts, even Jesus revealed in us, cannot cease to proclaim the day of the Lord, that it is arisen in it, crying out with the woman of Samaria; "Come and see one, that hath told me all that ever I have done: Is not this the Christ?" That others may come and feel the same in themselves, and may know, that little small thing that reproves them in their hearts, however they have despised it and neglected it, is nothing less than the Gospel preached in them; "Christ, the wisdom and power of God," being in and by that Seed seeking to save their souls.
Of this Light therefore Augustine speaks in his Confessions (lib. 11, cap. 9): "In this beginning, O God! thou madest the heavens and the earth, in thy Word, in thy Son, in thy virtue, in thy wisdom, wonderfully saying, and wonderfully doing. Who shall comprehend it? Who shall declare it? What is that which shineth in unto me, and smites my heart without hurt, at which I both tremble, and am inflamed? I tremble, in so far as I am unlike unto it; and I am inflamed in so far as I am like unto it? It is Wisdom, which shineth in unto me and dispelleth my cloud, which had again covered me, after I was departed from that darkness and 11 of my punishments." And again he saith (lib. x., cap. 27), "It is too late that I have loved thee, O thou beautifulness, so ancient, and so new, late have I loved thee, and behold thou wast within, and I was without, and there was seeking thee! thou didst call, thou didst cry, thou didst break my deafness, thou glancedst, thou didst shine, thou chasedst away my darkness."
Of this also our countryman, George Buchanan, speaketh thus in his book, De Jure Regni apud Scotos: "Truly I understand no other thing at present, than that Light, which is divinely infused into our souls; for when God formed man, he not only gave him eyes to his body, by which he might shun those things that are hurtful to him, and follow those things that are profitable. But also hath set before his mind, as it were, a certain Light, by which he may discern things that are vile from things that are honest. Some call this power nature, others the law of nature; I truly judge it to be divine, and am persuaded that nature and wisdom never say different things. Moreover God hath given us a compend of the law, which in few words comprehends the whole: to wit, that we should love him from our hearts, and our neighbours as ourselves. And of this law all the books of the Holy Scriptures, which pertain to the forming of manners, contain no other but an explication."
This is that universal, evangelical principle in and by which this salvation of Christ is exhibited to all men, both Jew and Gentile, Scythian and Barbarian, of whatsoever country or kindred he be. And therefore God hath raised up unto himself, in this our age, faithful witnesses and evangelists to preach again his everlasting Gospel, and to direct all, as well the high professors, who boast of the Law, and the Scriptures, and the outward knowledge of Christ, as the infidels and heathens that know not him that way, that they may all come to mind the Light in them, and know Christ in them, "the Just One, whom they have so long killed and made merry over, and he hath not resisted" (James 5:6), and give up their sins, iniquities, false faith, professions, and outside righteousness, to be crucified by the power of his cross in them, so as they may know Christ within to be the "hope of glory," and may come to walk in his Light and be saved, who is that "true Light that enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world."
I believe the Bible teaches that all three persons of the Godhead or the Trinity can dwell within the believer:
The Father dwells within the believer:
...The Son dwells within the believer:
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I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus indwelled OT saints.
"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
(1 Corinthians 10:4).
For there is no other name under heaven whereby men can be saved (See: Acts of the Apostles 4:12).
So do I..... in the form of the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of the Father. Which is how LoveofTruth also sees it from what I understand. Where we differ is he doesn't think the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit, when scripture plainly says otherwise. He thinks there are 3 Spirits.
So do I..... in the form of the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of the Father. Which is how LoveofTruth also sees it from what I understand. Where we differ is he doesn't think the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit, when scripture plainly says otherwise. He thinks there are 3 Spirits.
I don't think we can say that Christ was "in" them from this verse. It says Christ was the rock, not the water.
You said:OT saints were indeed saved the same way we are - by faith in Christ (they looked forward to Him, rather than back). But the Spirit of Christ wasn't "in" them, in the same way as the Spirit indwells believers today.
I almost laughed here (almost).No that is wrong. The word has 2 meanings. It can mean offspring (descendents). Or it can mean plant seeds.
Strong's Concordance
sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed
Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.
In the parable of the sower Jesus likened plant seeds to God's word planted in people's hearts:
"Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God. Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart," (Luke 8:11-12)
You seem mixed up here the scripture i quoted saysYou have misread the verse. It doesn't say Christ will be with you. It says the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
I almost laughed here (almost).
You said the seed is "plant seeds". The seed is the word of God and the seed is Christ. Neither are "plant seeds". Jesus is using a earthly figure of seeds planting, to refer to the seed which is the word of God sown in the heart. This seed is sown on every heart of all men everywhere as I can show by scripture. The something sown ia=s the incorruptible seed, the word of God. This is the mystery that hath been hod from ages, Christ in you the hope of glory.
The destiny of the unevangelized is a good study connected to this topic. How does God reach and save those who never hear the scriptures or the message of Jesus Christ life and death and resurrection?
Scripture says that God is able to save them ( through Christ Jesus).
"Sperma" implies the same as our word sperm, this is the life sown in the heart, Christ, the word of God the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
In Him was life and the life was the light of men...
I did not say they way you say thingsNo, there are not 3 distinct Spirits. That is heresy. There is ONE Spirit, the Holy Spirit - also know as the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of the Father.
I see that when Jesus Christ is in believers and he speaks in us, this is His word. He is the word.Depending on the context, I believe the "seed" can either refer to Jesus (the Living Word) or the communicated Word of God.
I see that when Jesus Christ is in believers and he speaks in us, this is His word. He is the word.
2 Corinthians 13:3, 5
Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you....5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ...9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."(John 1:1-9 KJV)
Hebrews 4:12, 13
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."
The word of God is connected to the word "his" sight and "him".
The Word is also the Light of the world and the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. Jesus spoke of the "light that is in you" in a certain place. He is Light and the Father is also the Father of lights. From Christ in us shines His light.
Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
Job 29:3
When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness;"
Psalm 18:28
For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness."
I don't believe in three Separate Spirits. But these THREE are one.And your theology, with your 3 Spirits idea, appears to be leaning toward Tritheism.
The claim you originally made was: ""Christ" is the Spirit of Christ" and one in the same as scripture shows". I asked what scripture shows that?
That verse doesn't say Christ the Person is the Spirit of Christ as you claimed. It says may his grace be with your spirit.
He clearly does and it is plain to see to the unbiased readerNo, Paul does not connect Christ to Deut 30. Only you do that. And I have already explained your error in doing so.
No it wasn't a stupid question. You are implying that the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost. But in scripture Jesus Christ is in believers and he is in them by his Spirit. And so the Spirit of Jesus Christ is in them. The word Christ is always associated with Jesus Christ as I can see and not specifically to the Holy Ghost..No, the 2nd Person came in the flesh, not the 3rd. What a stupid question.
"Christ in you", the Spirit of Christ, is the Holy Spirit. As I have shown.
No, Christ and the Holy Spirit are separate persons in the Godhead. To say otherwise is Oneness.
You correction here,No, God is not Spirit, and certainly not Spirits. The word is spirit (lower case, singular).
John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”"