Was 1948 the Regathering of Israel in Bible Prophecy?

[parousia70]

Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her: 66:11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.

NONE of that has EVER happened.

I'm as curious as jgr is about this.

Please describe HOW Isaiah 66:11 will be literally fulfilled in OUR Future.

Take all the time you need.

 

[iamlamad]

But it is true.
Demonstrably so.
The Old Covenant Operational Theocracy of Israel established by God, Can be found no more friend.

There is no High Preist, no temple, no sacrifices... no one follows Moses or the Law nor does anyone today have the Ancient Hebrew Bloodlines.

Ad 70 extinguished any an all connection men had to that Decayed, obsolete Covenant.

It's gone forever, Never to return.

NOT!

 

[Choose Wisely]

Maybe I missed your answer, but I couldn't find it.
Why do you believe and teach that God failed to fulfill His promise in Acts 3:22-23?

Yeah, you missed my answer. Here, I'll post it again. 1st off you are drawing an incorrect conclusion.

 

[parousia70]

Yeah, you missed my answer. Here, I'll post it again. 1st off you are drawing an incorrect conclusion.

Ok so what is the correct one then?... you can make any empty claim you want about the incorrectness of my conclusion, but until you provide alternative, my conclusion stands unrefuted.

You either believe God Fulfilled His promise to the people of Israel in Acts 3:22-23, or He did not fulfill that promise to them.

Which is it?

Here I'll show you how easy it is to take a stand on the question:

I believe God Fulfilled His promise in Acts 3:22-23

Do you?
Yes or no.
and if no, explain why you believe He failed to fulfill it?

 

[Choose Wisely]

Ok so what is the correct one then?... you can make any empty claim you want about the incorrectness of my conclusion, but until you provide alternative, my conclusion stands unrefuted.

You either believe God Fulfilled His promise to the people of Israel in Acts 3:22-23, or He did not fulfill that promise to them.

Which is it?

Here I'll show you how easy it is to take a stand on the question:

I believe God Fulfilled His promise in Acts 3:22-23

Do you?
Yes or no.
and if no, explain why you believe He failed to fulfill it?

I think you can find the answer in these verses.
Acts 3
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Now you answer this question. What is God's second commandment?

 

[iamlamad]

Ok so what is the correct one then?... you can make any empty claim you want about the incorrectness of my conclusion, but until you provide alternative, my conclusion stands unrefuted.

You either believe God Fulfilled His promise to the people of Israel in Acts 3:22-23, or He did not fulfill that promise to them.

Which is it?

Here I'll show you how easy it is to take a stand on the question:

I believe God Fulfilled His promise in Acts 3:22-23

Do you?
Yes or no.
and if no, explain why you believe He failed to fulfill it?

For sure those in that generation that rejected Jesus and His words, they were / are / will be destroyed. Jesus being the ONLY doorway to heaven, they can't get in, for they rejected the only way in.
However, this promise is still ongoing: those of EVERY generation that hear Jesus words and reject them were destroyed, are being destroyed or will be destroyed. In other words, HIS WORDS carry a lot of weight!

 

[parousia70]

For sure those in that generation that rejected Jesus and His words, they were / are / will be destroyed. Jesus being the ONLY doorway to heaven, they can't get in, for they rejected the only way in.
However, this promise is still ongoing: those of EVERY generation that hear Jesus words and reject them were destroyed, are being destroyed or will be destroyed. In other words, HIS WORDS carry a lot of weight!

You've illustrated the difference between prophetic application and pastoral application quite well.

Moses' words had direct Prophetic application to The Generation of Jews alive in the 1st century who were indeed literally destroyed from among the people, it also has Pastoral, but not prophetic, application to all peoples of all times as you correctly pointed out.

 

[parousia70]

I think you can find the answer in these verses.
Acts 3
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That answered nothing... can you answer?

Were the Jews of Jesus day who refused to hear the prophet destroyed from among the people or not?

It's a simple yes or no.

Now you answer this question. What is God's second commandment?

I'll go with Jesus, who is God, on that:
Mark 12:31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

iamlamad said: ↑
For sure those in that generation that rejected Jesus and His words, they were / are / will be destroyed. Jesus being the ONLY doorway to heaven, they can't get in, for they rejected the only way in.
However, this promise is still ongoing: those of EVERY generation that hear Jesus words and reject them were destroyed, are being destroyed or will be destroyed. In other words, HIS WORDS carry a lot of weight!

You've illustrated the difference between prophetic application and pastoral application quite well.

Moses' words had direct Prophetic application to The Generation of Jews alive in the 1st century who were indeed literally destroyed from among the people, it also has Pastoral, but not prophetic, application to all peoples of all times as you correctly pointed out.

Choose Wisely said: ↑
I think you can find the answer in these verses.
Acts 3
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That answered nothing... can you answer?
Were the Jews of Jesus day who refused to hear the prophet destroyed from among the people or not?

I recommend a good study on the covenantle parable of the Rich man/Judah-Jews and Lazarus/Israel-Gentiles in relation to Revelation..........
It's the only parable that actually has names in it:
Abraham, Moses and Lazarus.

Who were the main accusers of Jesus and Paul in the NT

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

LUKE 16:
27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' "
29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' "

Once again Abraham refuses the rich man's request, telling him that the brothers already have a witness in the writings of Moses and the prophets that will allow them to escape his fate. Moses, as well as the prophets, are shown several times in the New Testament to support Yeshua's identity as the Messiah (Luke 24:27, 44; John 1:45; 5:46; Acts 3:22-24; 7:37; 26:22-23; 28:23).
Abraham tells the rich man that his brothers would have to recognize the prophesied Messiah because of the things written about him in the Tanakh. This echoes what Yeshua told the Jews in John's Gospel:

JOHN 5:
45 "Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you — Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

John 18:29
29 Went forth then Pilate toward them, and said,
"What accusation/kathgorian <2724> do ye bring against this Man"?
30 They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evil-doer, not ever this-one to thee we have delivered Him."

Acts 23:35
he said, “I will hear you when your accusers also have come.” And he commanded him to be kept in Herod’s Praetorium.

What/who is the Accuser symbolizing in Revelation?

Revelation 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven:
"Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser/kathgoroV <2725> of the brothers of us, the accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us day and night.

The Devil, Accuser and our Salvation Revelation 12



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[Calminian]

Some guy in Kentucky rebuilt Noah's Ark too....period.
I guess then you believe that actually IS Noah's Ark he Built, and the flood is coming again?

Not following this argument. Does the Bible prophesy Noah's Ark (a saving vessel) will be rebuilt? Or did it say just the opposite? Hint: rainbow.

 

[parousia70]

Not following this argument. Does the Bible prophesy Noah's Ark (a saving vessel) will be rebuilt? Or did it say just the opposite? Hint: rainbow.

Interesting. And where does the Bible prophecy that Israel will be re-created buy a multi ethnic group of people who do not follow Moses or the law and have no verifiable genetic link to the pre-desolation Hebrews?

I must’ve missed that chapter and verse.

Equally interesting is the fact that The Bible does indeed prophecy That all Covenanted Israelites of the first century who did not hear and obey the prophet Jesus would be horribly destroyed from among the people and covenant forever.

The only surviving sect of Israel past the first century were the Nazarenes.

 

[Calminian]

Interesting. And where does the Bible prophecy that Israel will be re-created buy a multi ethnic group of people who do not follow Moses or the law and have no verifiable genetic link to the pre-desolation Hebrews?

So you also deny that Hitler killed 6 million Jews? This DNA argument reeks of antisemitism. Many here are on this bandwagon, and it's very sad. It's from the Devil.

This we know for sure, the NT refers to some unbelievers as Jews and others as Greeks, Gentiles, etc. It also says the Church consists of Jews and Gentiles. By your logic only Christians are Jews, all Christians are Jews and no non-christians are Jews. But this contradicts the NT everywhere.

 

[jgr]

This DNA argument reeks of antisemitism.

So the Jewish community, who tells us that we're all Jewish, is antiJewish?

You'd better go clue them in.

The only reek is that emanating from dispensationalism's racialized pseudogospel.

 

[keras]

This we know for sure, the NT refers to some unbelievers as Jews and others as Greeks, Gentiles, etc. It also says the Church consists of Jews and Gentiles. By your logic only Christians are Jews, all Christians are Jews and no non-christians are Jews. But this contradicts the NT everywhere.

Paul makes the distinction plain in Romans 2:29 The real Jew [of God] is one who is inwardly a Jew, with the circumcision of the heart.....
So, as scripture says; there are Christians from every tribe, race, nation and ethnicity, their belief in God and faith in Jesus for Salvation, is what counts.
Do not forget or ignore Romans 2:11 God has no favorites.

 

[BABerean2]

It also says the Church consists of Jews and Gentiles.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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[Choose Wisely]

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

 

[BABerean2]

Romans 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,

Rom 9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.


Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.

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[Calminian]

Paul makes the distinction plain in Romans 2:29 The real Jew [of God] is one who is inwardly a Jew, with the circumcision of the heart.....
So, as scripture says; there are Christians from every tribe, race, nation and ethnicity, their belief in God and faith in Jesus for Salvation, is what counts.
Do not forget or ignore Romans 2:11 God has no favorites.

Do do you also deny the existence of a jewish race?

 

[jgr]

Do do you also deny the existence of a jewish race?

Who does?

 

[Choose Wisely]

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,

Rom 9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.


Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.

Rom 11
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.