God is confirming His NT warnings through His prophets/watchmen

[ToBeLoved]

Hi, sis. Be open. Believing in only a pre-trib rapture sets you up for disaster if it is not true. You will be taken off guard.

I choose to be ready to go through the tribulation, even to the point of losing my head, and if I get raptured before the tribulation, that will be great. Tribulation is not wrath - first mistake of pre-trib. teachers. The letters to the seven churches gives us advice to just be a Philadelphian type believer, and even if you will be here during the tribulation, you will be "kept" from the terrors of it, just as the children of Israel were present during the plagues, but kept from them.

I said clearly that it’s “debatable”.

 

[bcbsr]

Faith is a doing word.
Believe is also a doing word...

If one takes no action
One niether believes nor has faith.

One can say one believes untill ones face turns blue.
But if it results in no obedience...
Your just decieved.

If a person believes that justification is by faith apart from works, then he doesn't do works in order to be saved, but rather puts his faith in Chris to save him. If a person believes that justification is by works, then his faith is in his works to save him, and he works in order to be saved.

So let's get down to what you believe. Do you believe that justification is by faith apart from works as Paul teaches, and consequently, "to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness."? Or are you saying that Paul was deceived on this point, and that rather you believe contrary to Paul's teachings that justification is not by faith apart from works?

Or let's take what Paul says of Abraham. What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about— but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."

Paul quotes Gen 15:6 about Abraham being reckoned righteous based on his belief in the promise just given him in Gen 15:5, there being no intervening work on Abraham's part between the two verses, thus proving justification is by faith apart from works.

As Romans 10 indicates, justification by law is a matter of obeying commands. This in contrast to justification by faith which is a matter of believing God's promise.

 

[bcbsr]

I absolutely agree with this scripture. If a person is born again they cannot sin. Would you say a person who does not produce fruit and doesn’t abide in Christ is born again?

That's what I've been saying all along. Where have you been?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I said clearly that it’s “debatable”.

Yes, it certainly is.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's what I've been saying all along. Where have you been?

Surely you believe the 11 faithful apostles who were with Jesus in John 15 were born again?

 

[ToBeLoved]

If a person believes that justification is by faith apart from works, then he doesn't do works in order to be saved, but rather puts his faith in Chris to save him. If a person believes that justification is by works, then his faith is in his works to save him, and he works in order to be saved.
.

I am going to throw you a virtual party with virtual cake for that post.

Everyone’s invited!

 

[Alithis]

It is debatable if Christians will even be here for that due to the rapture

Yes read peters epistles.
It is Crystal clear.
Inever read or listen to any ones teachongs on that topic
Just whats written.
No one is caught up in the air until jesus comes.
Jesus comes after the beast is revealed.
Jesus purs an instant end to the beasts reign .
Theres no double harvesting .

 

[ToBeLoved]

Yes read peters epistles.
It is Crystal clear.
Inever read or listen to any ones teachongs on that topic
Just whats written.
No one is caught up in the air until jesus comes.
Jesus comes after the beast is revealed.
Jesus purs an instant end to the beasts reign .
Theres no double harvesting .

If you have verses, please share

 

[1stcenturylady]

Wow! God doesn’t talk to me like that.

He does me. I left a church because of a dream.

 

[ToBeLoved]

He does me. I left a church because of a dream.

He was saying a little more. That’s God told him that the church is a prostitute carrying around a mattress, so he left organized religion.

I was referencing the prostitute part carrying around a mattress.

I was like Wow God doesn’t talk to me like that!

You have to know the context. Go back and read it.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Surely you believe the 11 faithful apostles who were with Jesus in John 15 were born again?

To be born again you must be born of the Spirit. The 11 apostles didn't receive the Spirit until John 20.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I am going to throw you a virtual party with virtual cake for that post.

Everyone’s invited!

I think I'll skip the party.

All that means is you don't have to come to Jesus through works. It doesn't mean works aren't necessary after coming to Jesus. After all, it is Jesus who supplies the means necessary to do good works - the Spirit.

James 2:
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I don't know if he knows this or not, but I sure hope you do.

 

[watchman 2]

“Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7)

These days, God is warning His prophets/watchmen that many of His people are going to be rejected for entrance into heaven!

About a year ago, I was greatly blessed when I first encountered some of God’s warnings to His prophets
and watchmen!

For they were a very welcome CONFIRMATION to God’s many dire warnings I had seen and believed in the NT.

Father God and the Lord Jesus Christ have been speaking to Their prophets and watchmen through words, dreams, visions, etc. as prophesied in Acts 2:17-18, Joel 2:28-32. These serve to reveal the very poor condition of the church in the last days of thise age! Many of these warnings are being shared on Internet sites, and excerpts from a few of them follow …

“My children, the churches of man have taught lies for so long that they are engrained in many of you as your truths … My dearest children, wake up and shake off all the false doctrines of man.”

“My people have been led astray by wolves in sheep’s clothing, taking from them the very spark that I put in each person. These usurpers have robbed My children of life eternal, and My children are too blind to see anything.”

“My son, warn My body to put away the strange gods that they worship (many examples are listed) … I must bring My judgments to My house,
or many will perish for all eternity.”

“My son, I weep for My people. I love them so much, yet I must bring My judgment on them to save them from an eternity away from me …
Hear My voice, walk in the spirit, put on My armor, and prepare to fight a battle that only those in Me will win. Shalom, Father.”

“Now hear Me well. You all have a short season of grace for your purification. The season is also to prepare for the hard days soon to come … My Son will come to those prepared for the marriage union.”

“I am bringing My judgements on a backslidden, rebellious Church, where the people who sit in
the pews are as lost as the world.”

“There are many who profess Me, but don’t know their efforts and their prayers are in vain.”

“For I shall have a people cleansed of all filth
of flesh and purified by My fires of purification, perfecting holiness.”

“Shepherds leading multitudes to hell”

Pastors will be held accountable for NOT teaching critical NT truths to the church! The blood of many will be on the hands of false shepherds.

“Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God.” (Hebrews 13:17).

Paul warned the church elders at Ephesus: “If anyone suffers eternal death, it’s not my fault, for I didn’t shrink from declaring all that God wants you to know.” (Acts 20:26)

I agree God has a warning for the called out ones today . Has it been talked about yet ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

He was saying a little more. That’s God told him that the church is a prostitute carrying around a mattress, so he left organized religion.

I was referencing the prostitute part carrying around a mattress.

I was like Wow God doesn’t talk to me like that!

You have to know the context. Go back and read it.

God showed me in the dream that the church I was going to was nothing more than a social club and wasn't a first century modeled CHURCH.

 

[bcbsr]

Surely you believe the 11 faithful apostles who were with Jesus in John 15 were born again?

No one was "born again" until Pentecost. They couldn't be born again until they received the Spirit which didn't come till Acts chapter 2.

 

[1stcenturylady]

No one was "born again" until Pentecost. They couldn't be born again until they received the Spirit which didn't come till Acts chapter 2.

The eleven received the Spirit in John 20 without which they weren't born again. The other 120 didn't receive the Spirit to be born again until the Day of Pentecost, when the apostles received the power baptism of the Spirit for ministry. The 120 didn't receive the power baptism until Acts 4:29-31. They overlapped each other like row, row, row your boat.

Born again with personal abilities of the Spirit Mark 16:16-18
Apostles John 20
120 Acts 2

Power baptism for ministry to receive gifts of the Spirit of 1 Cor. 12:7-11 for the profit of all

Apostles Acts 2
120 Acts 4:29-31

 

[ToBeLoved]

I think I'll skip the party.

All that means is you don't have to come to Jesus through works. It doesn't mean works aren't necessary after coming to Jesus. After all, it is Jesus who supplies the means necessary to do good works - the Spirit.

James 2:
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I don't know if he knows this or not, but I sure hope you do.

I previously posted about this chapter of James and who James was talking to.

James and Peter lead the church in Jerusalem and they were apostles to the Hebrews. These would have been primarily Hebrews who had been under the Old Covenant Law and were converts to Christ.

So as such, James and Peter had to teach the Hebrews using the Old Covenant and showing the transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant.

Notice in James 2:21 it says “was not Abraham...” and in verse James 2:23 it says “Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness...”

Notice it is NOT Abraham’s works, BUT his belief.

So I don’t think James is referencing that works are needed under the New Covenant, but that works go along with faith, as the Hebrews would have been trying to understand how works or the Law was to be understood in a New Covenant context.

James was not an apostle to the Gentiles

 

[Kenny'sID]

Now in post #170 you claimed that here you were not claiming that I claimed that there were those who advocated salvation by works alone. So explain to me who the sentence "Who here ever, even once, claimed salvation by works alone" is addressed to. You said it's not addressed to me, so who is it addressed to? Or did I just catch you in a lie?

And you go on to say in the above "your claim was deceptive". What claim? Tell me what claim that I made was deceptive?

Huh?

I said a couple of things you said were deceptive, so please clarify that/all you just posted and if you will quote exactly what I said/what you are referring to and what problem you have with it, it may help. I ask that because I have no idea what some of that means.

 

[bcbsr]

Huh?

I said a couple of things you said were deceptive, so please clarify that/all you just posted and if you will quote exactly what I said/what you are referring to and what problem you have with it, it may help. I ask that because I have no idea what some of that means.

So you're saying that you yourself don't understand what you yourself wrote when you accused me of making deceptive claims. Apparently you can't specify what such alleged claims were, nor in what way they are deceptive. I think you pretty much lost your credibility in this debate.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Notice it is NOT Abraham’s works, BUT his belief.

Sorry, it was BOTH! Faith without works (of obedience) is dead. We're not talking about circumcision, holy days and the eating of only clean meat. Abraham wasn't under the law.