But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Repeating the questions asked in post 105, which you never answered.
My complaint is against you. You posted these verses - so?
Are you saying we have to take them literally? Are you saying they apply to the 21st century just as much as they applied to the first? Are you saying they are a command from God and cannot be changed or questioned?
That's why I said that I don't like it when people post verses, in isolation, with no explanation.
If you are saying these things, it raises many questions.
If we take the verse that you have posted literally;
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I suffer not .... "
Who is the "I" of the sentence? Paul. Paul is saying that he does not allow ..... Paul is dead.
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A woman to teach"
Note, a woman, singular; not all women everywhere, in any time or culture.
"nor to usurp authority over THE man"
Usurp means to snatch, or grab by force. How can a woman grab something by force when it is freely given, by both God and the church? What does it mean to "have authority over"?
"but to be in silence".
We are talking about a literal interpretation, remember; so Paul is saying that women cannot prophesy, (although he taught it in 1 Corinthians 11), Pray (ditto), sing, testify to God's goodness or read the Scriptures - even though he taught and allowed these things elsewhere? Silence meas silence. IF you are saying that we accept this verse literally, that is what it says - maybe you could explain then why it contradicts other Scriptures?
"For Adam was formed first, then Eve".
And dogs were formed before humans - are you saying that those that were created first have authority over everything that was created afterwards?
"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, being deceived, was in transgression".
Adam wasn't deceived. He heard God's clear word for himself and disobeyed - he was wilfully disobedient. Paul is clear in Romans 5 that sin came into the world through Adam, not Eve. If you are trying to say that women can't be pastors because Eve was deceived, then logically, you should say that men can't be pastors because Adam wilfully disobeyed God. Who wants a Pastor/Minister who KNOWS what God wants but deliberately disobeys him?
Eve was deceived because she had not heard God's command for herself. Scripture does not say that after God formed Eve he repeated his command to her. That being the case, she most likely heard about it from Adam. But she obviously hadn't heard correctly because when she repeated it to the serpent, she got it wrong, Genesis 3:3, cf Genesis 2:16. Maybe she had been talking at the time, and didn't hear what Adam says. This fits completely with Paul's words in 1 Timothy 2:11 "A woman SHOULD learn in quietness". Women were not allowed to learn in that culture. Paul says they should, so that they are not deceived, but should learn in silence. Any woman who is heckling, calling out answers, asking questions or speaking over the man who is teaching, won't learn properly and is not being very respectful.
THIS is what I meant when I asked these questions in post 105. It's not good enough to post a verse, taken out of context, and then disappear without any explanation - what do you understand the verse you posted to mean?
If you mean that we should take it literally, how do you explain that it contradicts other Scriptures?
If you are saying that Paul did not allow women then to teach, and that applies to everyone today as well - where does it say that?
If you are saying this is a command from God, where does it say that - and why did Jesus never teach it?