Girl that wrote anti gun violence essay killed with a gun

[Ana the Ist]

and some people love using their cell phones while they drive this results in the deaths of many innocent people we have yet to take away cell phones or cars. Others love to drink and drive but their irresponsible use of a car has not caused anyone to call for a ban on cars.

The car analogy stinks...cars aren't designed to kill people. It's wrong to pretend that a gun is just a tool that can be used to kill someone like it's a coincidence....guns are for killing. Cars are for transportation. No one is saying that cars can't be misused....but if used correctly, no one dies. If guns are used correctly....at least someone or something dies. It's the other uses for guns, like shooting competitions or pretending you're Clint Eastwood in the mirror, that are the coincidences.

 

[disciple Clint]

The car analogy stinks...cars aren't designed to kill people. It's wrong to pretend that a gun is just a tool that can be used to kill someone like it's a coincidence....guns are for killing. Cars are for transportation. No one is saying that cars can't be misused....but if used correctly, no one dies. If guns are used correctly....at least someone or something dies. It's the other uses for guns, like shooting competitions or pretending you're Clint Eastwood in the mirror, that are the coincidences.

You are not showing much in the way of knowledge of guns or the people who own them. Trust me many guns are used many times without killing. Its not like a samurai sword you are not required to draw blood each time you use it.

 

[Nithavela]

You are not showing much in the way of knowledge of guns or the people who own them. Trust me many guns are used many times without killing. Its not like a samurai sword you are not required to draw blood each time you use it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You are not showing much in the way of knowledge of guns or the people who own them.

I own guns and carry them for work...including a full auto M4. I don't consider myself a gun enthusiast like many of my coworkers, but I know enough to keep up with their conversations.

More importantly, I've read a lot of info about gun control on both sides of the issue. I know that anything by Lott amounts to misleading propaganda...and while the old tactic used to be dubious wording, these days both sides like to use other nations as examples while leaving out key information.

Just because I think I know everything doesn't mean I do though...so if you think I'm missing something, please share.

Trust me many guns are used many times without killing. Its not like a samurai sword you are not required to draw blood each time you use it.

Samurai tested their swords on live people for a period...what does this have to do with your claim? We have no reliable evidence of how often it happened. So while threatening people with a gun may have legitimate self defense uses...I can't really say how often that happens. Besides, people also get robbed at gunpoint without getting shot...and I'm willing to bet its more often than the self defense incidents.

 

[disciple Clint]

I own guns and carry them for work...including a full auto M4. I don't consider myself a gun enthusiast like many of my coworkers, but I know enough to keep up with their conversations.

More importantly, I've read a lot of info about gun control on both sides of the issue. I know that anything by Lott amounts to misleading propaganda...and while the old tactic used to be dubious wording, these days both sides like to use other nations as examples while leaving out key information.

Just because I think I know everything doesn't mean I do though...so if you think I'm missing something, please share.



Samurai tested their swords on live people for a period...what does this have to do with your claim? We have no reliable evidence of how often it happened. So while threatening people with a gun may have legitimate self defense uses...I can't really say how often that happens. Besides, people also get robbed at gunpoint without getting shot...and I'm willing to bet its more often than the self defense incidents.

you carry an M4 every day as did I before I carried a sidearm every day. Neither one of us shoots someone every time we use our weapons. I am certain that you are well trained and use your gun appropriately. I used my gun many times as I am certain you do but in no way does that mean that I killed something every day. I even pointed my gun at people that I did not want to kill and they are still alive as far as I know. So I have no idea why you said " If guns are used correctly....at least someone or something dies." This is not the case with you nor is it the case with me and there are also thousands of people who never use their gun to kill anything. I don't think you are missing anything I just think you might have made a bit of an overstatement. Guns are safe, people with guns are not always safe, just like people with cars are not always safe, cars kill a lot more people than guns at least in the civilian world.

 

[Rubiks]

and some people love using their cell phones while they drive this results in the deaths of many innocent people we have yet to take away cell phones or cars. Others love to drink and drive but their irresponsible use of a car has not caused anyone to call for a ban on cars.

Actually, tons of legislation has been made to respond to this issue. The problem is that some people will appose any restrictions on guns simply because it won't be 100% effective. Very few people want to completely disarm the public.

 

[Zoii]

The irony of you trying to lecture anyone about the article when clearly...

1. You didn't read her essay and had no idea what she wrote about...

Or...

2. Decided to deliberately twist this tragic story about a black girl and the violence in her community to fit some leftist narrative.

I think I saw that irony a mile away.

Apparently not or you'd have understood the point of the OP... Letter from child on violence n guns... Shot by gun... Understood?

 

[Fantine]

I have spent most of my life in relative safety, and have never felt the need nor the desire to own a gun. I did ride the NYC subways daily for several years. I had a car breakdown on the BQE in a neighborhood most people would consider unsafe, and was met with kindness and assistance. I was the victim of credit card fraud a few times, but owning a gun wouldn't have helped me.

Because I don't own a gun, I tend to look at people without suspicion, not as potential assailants but as potential friends. While I take normal precautions for my safety, I don't feel as if I am constrained from doing what I want to do.

It seems (and feel free to disagree if I am wrong) that people who carry guns regularly have a very different worldview from mine. They see the world as a dangerous place. They might look at people with suspicion. If they don't, why would they bother carrying this cumbersome piece of hardware with them everywhere?

It makes me feel sad that they are unable to cultivate trust in their lives--even while I realize that a small percentage of them might have had far more difficult and dangerous lives than I've had.

 

[Ana the Ist]

you carry an M4 every day as did I before I carried a sidearm every day.

Well I guess "carry" and "every day" would be exaggerating. I generally prefer the M4 to shotgun when in the field. It's not that I think it's tactically superior...but with so many of my fellow agents preferring a shotgun as their longarm I like to have options.

Plus, I like to think I've gotten pretty good at laying down suppressing fire with it while advancing towards cover or flanking.

Neither one of us shoots someone every time we use our weapons.

Actually, I get investigated every single time I shoot...whether I hit someone or not...so I'm really always looking for ways to avoid that situation if at all possible.

I am certain that you are well trained and use your gun appropriately.

I've never had a "bad shoot".

I used my gun many times as I am certain you do but in no way does that mean that I killed something every day.

You're drawing your gun every day? What kind of work are you in?

I even pointed my gun at people that I did not want to kill and they are still alive as far as I know. So I have no idea why you said " If guns are used correctly....at least someone or something dies."

That's because I don't consider pointing my gun at someone "using it". This really only happens when I intend to shoot them or I've got a really good reason to believe they'll shoot me or someone else. I'm not waving it around directing traffic with it....

This is not the case with you nor is it the case with me and there are also thousands of people who never use their gun to kill anything.

I'm starting to think that you've got a much looser definition of "using a gun" than I do. Allow me to clarify...when I say using, I mean shooting. I don't think it should be pointed at people with the intent to intimidate, or threaten, or anything like that. Since it's a weapon that can kill people on accident (I mean, how many news stories have we seen of little kids playing with it and killing themselves or others?) it really should be reserved for those specific situations where danger to one's life is imminent.

I don't think you are missing anything I just think you might have made a bit of an overstatement. Guns are safe, people with guns are not always safe, just like people with cars are not always safe, cars kill a lot more people than guns at least in the civilian world.

A gun without any bullets is safe...but if we're talking about a loaded gun, it's not "safe". There was a news story not long ago where a guy got shot by his dog in the backseat of what I imagine was a very old, rusty, worn down truck. I'm pretty sure he lived...but it highlights the point that guns are not safe. In fact, there's a rather specific set of rules that one has to follow every single time they hold a gun to avoid hurting anyone unintentionally. That's not a "safe" tool. I can sit in my car and play with all kinds of buttons and dials and no one will die.

The worst part is that it sounds like you have or had a job that gave you some training. I have a job that requires a lot of training. We both probably know those rules I just mentioned by heart....because they've been drilled into us for our safety and the safety of others. If you're in law enforcement, I'd like to think that you have had a rather extensive amount of training that explains the subtle but important factors that are legal requirements for you to be able to shoot someone....and also when you cannot shoot someone.

Does the average person have to get any of that training, know those rules, or understand the law before they can legally purchase a killing machine? No. We don't require any of that stuff. For some reason, we all seem to agree that these things are absolutely necessary for a gun owner to know....and it's their responsibility to know these things....yet we aren't willing to take any steps to ensure that they do in fact know these things.

On a side note...I also think it's practically insane what we let people buy. Does anyone have a practical need for a .50 caliber sniper rifle? I'll wait...see if you can think of one. A gun shop/range I used to frequent had a Barrett on this mounted display right above the center gun case for some silly amount of money...but you could literally buy it with no experience whatsoever lol. That's insane. Why? Is there a truck somewhere that needs killing?

End rant. Thanks for reading.

 

[Hank77]

If you truly want to stop it the police need to be allowed to do stop and frisk and get the guns and the people who use them off the streets so that innocent kids like this do not meet the tragic end this child did.

Can I assume that you wouldn't mind be stopped and frisked when you are walking down the street minding your own business?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Apparently not or you'd have understood the point of the OP... Letter from child on violence n guns... Shot by gun... Understood?

I'm not quite sure I get it....lemme check what this other guy said one page ago...

It appears that the irony she is referring to is lost on you - Please allow me to explain.

The young girl writes about the prolific gun shootings and the lack of safety for her cohort due to the recurrent mass murders in school shootings and other public gatherings..... she was highlighting the out of control gun massacres and the lack of willingness in the USA to do anything about the availability of guns...then she was shot herself.

Thats the irony.

So these two posters are explaining what's "ironic" about this case in very different ways. One has generalized it to the point where it's almost devoid of meaning. The other mentions more specific details about what's supposedly "ironic"....but those details don't match anything in the girl's essay (maybe he read the wrong essay?). Since the two posts are dissimilar...which one should I look to regarding the irony of this story?

As for the OP's statements...I think he missed out on the irony of the situation as well. So, please, tell me which of your two posts you want me to consider...or better yet, reexamine the story and try to find the irony. There's lots of it there, but a little girl saying "the violence in my city, my community is out of control....its chaos...and it's even killing little kids like me"....then getting killed by the same violence which she realized was a threat to her life....isn't ironic at all. Tragic for certain...but not ironic.

 

[W2L]

The car analogy stinks...cars aren't designed to kill people.

Tell that to the folks shot down in drive by shootings.

 

[Hank77]

Actually, tons of legislation has been made to respond to this issue. The problem is that some people will appose any restrictions on guns simply because it won't be 100% effective. Very few people want to completely disarm the public.

Another reason that new rules are opposed is because it seems with gun control that if there's agreement on some control there are those who just keep pushing for more and more. There are extremist and as we are learning with other issues those extremists are gaining on the moderates. It's their way or no way and their not going to quit until they get it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Tell that to the folks shot down in drive by shootings.

? Are you under the impression that it's the cars doing the shooting in drive-bys?

 

[W2L]

? Are you under the impression that it's the cars doing the shooting in drive-bys?

Are you under the impression that the guns fire themselves? What about all the auto collision deaths? Dont you want to protect people from these deaths? No because we need cars, right? Well, some people say we need guns too.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Are you under the impression that the guns fire themselves?

Of course not...didn't you read my post earlier? Even little toddlers and dogs can shoot guns.

What about all the auto collision deaths?

What about them?

Dont you want to protect people from these deaths?

Of course, and we take all kinds of steps to protect people from auto collisions. We incorporate safety devices like seatbelts and airbags and require them by law. We license drivers and excessively bad drivers lose their licenses. We require basic knowledge and ability to acquire a license. We have police regularly enforcing traffic laws and arresting drunk drivers.

You ask some goofy questions....surely you knew all this?

No because we need cars, right?

What do you mean "no"? Of course I want people protecting from auto collisions.

Well, some people say we need guns too.

Some people say Bush was behind 9-11. That's the thing about "some people", you can generally find some people who support any opinion regardless of how dumb it is.

 

[W2L]

Of course not...didn't you read my post earlier? Even little toddlers and dogs can shoot guns.




What about them?



Of course, and we take all kinds of steps to protect people from auto collisions. We incorporate safety devices like seatbelts and airbags and require them by law. We license drivers and excessively bad drivers lose their licenses. We require basic knowledge and ability to acquire a license. We have police regularly enforcing traffic laws and arresting drunk drivers.

You ask some goofy questions....surely you knew all this?



What do you mean "no"? Of course I want people protecting from auto collisions.




Some people say Bush was behind 9-11. That's the thing about "some people", you can generally find some people who support any opinion regardless of how dumb it is.

Why is it dumb to say we need guns?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why is it dumb to say we need guns?

Well need is a rather specific word....if you said you want guns, I wouldn't disagree.

There is a rather large group of people who get along every day without any guns at all...and to be honest, in some cases I'm a little envious of them. So I don't think anyone really needs guns...but if you think otherwise, feel free to explain.

 

[W2L]

Well need is a rather specific word....if you said you want guns, I wouldn't disagree.

There is a rather large group of people who get along every day without any guns at all...and to be honest, in some cases I'm a little envious of them. So I don't think anyone really needs guns...but if you think otherwise, feel free to explain.

Some people need guns to protect themselves and their family. Myself i dont have guns but i use to.

 

[super animator]

most common sense reforms and legislation.

What reforms and legislation are you referring to exactly? I loss count the number of times the gun legalization being passed underneath the notation of "reforms" and "common sense", when actualy it does nothing to criminals and just infringe the rights of gun owners. I neither trust the democrats nor the republicans on passing sensible gun legalization