Michelle Obama will never forgive Trump for promoting birther CT

[cow451]

i don't know if bo's birth issue was confirmed or not - he was pres so i respect the pres - there were questions asked about why he was thought of as a poor pres - the reasons that were presented were some of the reasons but not all

as a christian we are told to pray for the pres even if we don't like him or what he is doing - i didn't like several things bo was doing but i prayed for him anyway

His cadidacy was vetted by every state and withstood legal challenges. That not good enough for you?

 

[Truthfrees]

Ya know.... You wanted everybody to play nice, and I was inclined to think that you're right, and to drop everything and let it go. But then you go and make this wild accusation.

Just in the last month, "your side" has had a Trump SuperFan mail bombs to a bunch of Trump critics, a far-right anti-semite shoot up a synagogue, a schizophrenic kill a couple black folks in a grocery store. The fearmongering over the migrant caravan was laced with xenophobia and Trump himself aired what was essentially a sequel to the Willie Horton ad.

Your side is not virtuous.

neither is your side my friend

and your strawman of why you and i can't work it through is because i replied to someone on your side who refused to play nice?

so rather than you telling your side to tone it down you tell me i am not allowed to defend myself against one of your side?

so again - makes no sense

you can choose for you and i to work it out - and then you can talk to your side and tell them to tone it down - i have already been doing that on my side - my side talks constantly about NOT throwing flames at d's - and we are making progress

so now your side needs to take some steps to stop throwing flames at trump and his supporters

 

[expos4ever]

the truth is your side calls for assassination - beheading - bombing - harassing r's anytime anywhere you find them

our side does not

so again - don't be surprised that we aren't drinking the koolaid

You are misrepresenting the facts. Yes, there are some on “my side” that promote bad things.

But the overall picture shows that such people are a rare exception. On the other hand, dangerous incorrect thinking is widespread among Trump’s supporters.

Now the rubber hits the road: I am prepared to present actual data to support my position.

I believe you are not able to do likewise in defence of the Trump supporters.

And any facts I do present will be dismissed by the conspiracy theory mindset that seems to dominate the Trump camp.

 

[Truthfrees]

Please quote me where I said Trump hates Mexicans. I won't hold my breath, I'd pass out while you look for that.

See, I don't actually disagree with you that it is what Trump meant. I don't like what he said, I don't agree with him.

ok - then thanks for trying

i did not say you said anything - i asked you what you thought

so perhaps this is what is happening when you hear trump - you don't hear what he is saying just like you thought my question was a claim

so the real issue is not what trump really said but what you THINK trump said - and that kind of issue needs works to fix

 

[Truthfrees]

That is not the truth and I'd appreciate it if you would stop lying about Democrats.

griffith promoted beheading

depp promoted assassination

madonna promoted blowing up the white house

mw promoted gathering a crowd to harass r's anywhere anytime they were seen

so i am not the one lying - and i would appreciate that you stop making false accusations about trump and his supporters

 

[LoAmmi]

ok - then thanks for trying

i did not say you said anything - i asked you what you thought

so perhaps this is what is happening when you hear trump - you don't hear what he is saying just like you thought my question was a claim

so the real issue is not what trump really said but what you THINK trump said - and that kind of issue needs works to fix

I'm sorry, your writing is sometimes hard for me to read. You are correct, you asked me. I thought you said I did say that.

No, I don't think Trump hates all Mexicans. I think Trump plays on the fears conservatives have over immigrants and exploits them for his own gain. He may have those same fears, though, since he has said this stuff since the early 2010s.

Now, I think Trump was making a bunch of statements that are not backed up by facts but that conform to conservative preconceptions. Generally speaking, these people are not engaged in more crimes (other than crossing the border) than others and, in some statistics, show a lower rate than other groups. Regardless, the demonization of these people while the corporations that hire them go unscathed, give the distinct impression that conservatives have more of a problem with these people for other reasons than what they do here. Otherwise, conservatives would be pushing for strong penalties for the businesses.... but they don't. They just push for these people to be demonized.

 

[Truthfrees]

But how do you know you are seeing and hearing the truth about us? You said yourself you only trust your sources that already confirm what you wish to believe.

true - all i can see is you are throwing around false accusations about trump and his supporters - that is all i have ever said about your side - and you are - trump doesn't do the things you claim he does

so other than that what do you think i have wrong about you /your side?

 

[KCfromNC]

Is Trump speaking some lost, ancient language only conservatives can understand? He speaks English, right?

Citation needed.

 

[Truthfrees]

Should we just lay down and accept everything Trump wants? Your Republicans certainly didn't lay down and accept everything Obama wanted? I don't like nationalism. I think it is not just bad but it borders on evil. It's way too easy to cross that line. Trump's agenda is nationalistic. He's even straight up said he was a nationalist. I resist all forms of nationalism and will continue to do so.

I've said Trump was right in the... I don't know... two things he did I agree with.

no - no one needs to lay down and accept anything

if you really disagree with something then that is fair -

the problem is throwing flames at trump and his supporters

so what do we do about a border wall? - you don't want it - why? - we want it - the wall would force everyone to come to an entry to present themselves and their documentation so they can be vetted criminally/medically/etc - it will force drug/sex trafficking to stop

why do you hate nationalism? - you put your family first and then help others with what you have left over - why can't america do the same? - why can't the homeless / poor / sick / vets / etc be taken care of first before we help non-americans?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

griffith promoted beheading

No, she did not. We've gone through these. She posed for a photo shoot. She did not "promote" beheading the president. She also lost her job hosting a NYE show because of that.

depp promoted assassination

No, he did not. He made a comment about "when was the last time an actor assassinated the president?" His joke was in reference to Lincoln's assassination by actor, John Wilkes Booth. He also apologized for his comment. I also told you I think Johnny Depp is actually a little crazy and people should not take him very seriously.

madonna promoted blowing up the white house

Again, you are wrong. Flat-out wrong. Look up her speech where she said this at the Women's March. She specifically said the opposite of what you are implying. That we should not let our emotions guide us even if we feel like "blowing up" the White House.

You are spreading falsehoods about all three examples you've given so far.

mw promoted gathering a crowd to harass r's anywhere anytime they were seen

Yeah. And? Where does she call for violence? Where does she tell people to do anything illegal or dangerous?

so i am not the one lying

No, you aren't but you are believing the lies others have said about all these incidents, which is just as bad.

and i would appreciate that you stop making false accusations about trump and his supporters

I've not made any false accusations about Trump or his supporters.

 

[LoAmmi]

no - no one needs to lay down and accept anything

if you really disagree with something then that is fair -

the problem is throwing flames at trump and his supporters

so what do we do about a border wall? - you don't want it - why? - we want it - the wall would force everyone to come to an entry to present themselves and their documentation so they can be vetted criminally/medically/etc - it will force drug/sex trafficking to stop

I don't like it because it won't work. A wall is an incorrect solution for the problem and while I might be willing to go along with something cheap to keep your side happy, it is way too expensive not to go unchallenged. Basically, a wall can be defeated with a ladder and a rope in under fifteen minutes by an average, healthy person. The cost of it does not fix the benefit.

why do you hate nationalism? - you put your family first and then help others with what you have left over - why can't america do the same? - why can't the homeless / poor / sick / vets / etc be taken care of first before we help non-americans?

I don't put my family first like that.

 

[Truthfrees]

His cadidacy was vetted by every state and withstood legal challenges. That not good enough for you?

if that is true then yes it is

 

[Truthfrees]

You are misrepresenting the facts. Yes, there are some on “my side” that promote bad things.

But the overall picture shows that such people are a rare exception. On the other hand, dangerous incorrect thinking is widespread among Trump’s supporters.

Now the rubber hits the road: I am prepared to present actual data to support my position.

I believe you are not able to do likewise in defence of the Trump supporters.

And any facts I do present will be dismissed by the conspiracy theory mindset that seems to dominate the Trump camp.

so are you saying that the mobs / mw / madonna / depp / griffith / are NOT what your side approves of?

then why does msm NOT say what you are saying?

are you saying msm does NOT represent your side?

if not then why do you make the same false accusations against trump and his supporters as msm does?

as far as factual data that trump and his supporters traffick in dangerous incorrect thinking? - if you want to try go for it IF you will be civil about it -

but remember you are talking to a trump supporter who irl knows a lot of trump supporters and also knows irl a lot of trump haters who talk about trump and his supporters (like me) the same way msm does -

so whatever your data is it will be talking about people like me - so sure go ahead

 

[expos4ever]

so are you saying that the mobs / mw / madonna / depp / griffith / are NOT what your side approves of?

I very clearly agreed that a tiny minority of the anti-Trump crowd goes too far.

This is like Trump and his lying. Yes, other politicians lie, but nowhere near as much as Trump.

 

[SimplyMe]

We will just have to agree to disagree about America always being great or that America is a great country now, especially since Donald Trump and his Republican cronies are at the helm.

I think you may have hit on something. America was great, Trump will make it not great, so the next president will make it great again. See, MAGA! People just misunderstood Trump, not realizing he meant that he'd be the one making America not be great, so it could become great again.

 

[Truthfrees]

I'm sorry, your writing is sometimes hard for me to read. You are correct, you asked me. I thought you said I did say that.

No, I don't think Trump hates all Mexicans. I think Trump plays on the fears conservatives have over immigrants and exploits them for his own gain. He may have those same fears, though, since he has said this stuff since the early 2010s.

Now, I think Trump was making a bunch of statements that are not backed up by facts but that conform to conservative preconceptions. Generally speaking, these people are not engaged in more crimes (other than crossing the border) than others and, in some statistics, show a lower rate than other groups. Regardless, the demonization of these people while the corporations that hire them go unscathed, give the distinct impression that conservatives have more of a problem with these people for other reasons than what they do here. Otherwise, conservatives would be pushing for strong penalties for the businesses.... but they don't. They just push for these people to be demonized.

ok - fair enough - i can see how it could appear that way

as all we all know about each other's political views comes through our news sources

i know irl the fights between r's and d's are the same as here - and both sides irl are quoting msm or cc sources - the d's irl don't like our cc news sources and we irl don't like msm

so i guess it could appear that we demonize the illegal aliens - and that we are afraid of them - we for sure LOVE the legal immigrants and they love us - and the legal immigrants are not happy about the illegal aliens either - so i guess for all these reasons illegal aliens are not well thought of

are we afraid of illegal aliens? - no we are angry that free resources go to them instead of needy legal citizens - we have been angry for a long time - long before trump - trump is just the first one who cared about the same things we cared about

when trump talks he says the same things we already know and have experienced - so we don't question him - we don't even need him to explain - he basically is saying the same things we have been saying to each other for many years - decades

so for us trump is not filling our heads with new ideas - he's addressing the concerns we have been complaining about for years -

i'm not sure what life is like for upper income people but low and middle income people are very impacted by gov money - which is really tax payer money - our money - going to non-citizens -

we would like to be VALUED at least as much as illegals and get free health care and college etc - this is how we felt way before trump - and we still feel this way and we love trump for caring about us - we haven't heard anyone else care about us -

so when you attack trump and us we feel that you don't care about us - and only trump does - which is why we don't trust you but we do trust trump

so the question we and the legal immigrants have is why can't aliens apply legally? - what stops them from applying legally?

WE FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT BUSINESSES AS YOU DO - THEY SHOULD BE TARGETED FOR HIRING ILLEGALS - THEY HURT OTHER BUSINESSES AND OTHER LEGAL CITIZENS

 

[Truthfrees]

No, she did not. We've gone through these. She posed for a photo shoot. She did not "promote" beheading the president. She also lost her job hosting a NYE show because of that.

No, he did not. He made a comment about "when was the last time an actor assassinated the president?" His joke was in reference to Lincoln's assassination by actor, John Wilkes Booth. He also apologized for his comment. I also told you I think Johnny Depp is actually a little crazy and people should not take him very seriously.

Again, you are wrong. Flat-out wrong. Look up her speech where she said this at the Women's March. She specifically said the opposite of what you are implying. That we should not let our emotions guide us even if we feel like "blowing up" the White House.

You are spreading falsehoods about all three examples you've given so far.

Yeah. And? Where does she call for violence? Where does she tell people to do anything illegal or dangerous?

No, you aren't but you are believing the lies others have said about all these incidents, which is just as bad.


I've not made any false accusations about Trump or his supporters.

ok - then by your standards of promotion trump has promoted and influenced no one either

 

[LoAmmi]

WE FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT BUSINESSES AS YOU DO - THEY SHOULD BE TARGETED FOR HIRING ILLEGALS - THEY HURT OTHER BUSINESSES AND OTHER LEGAL CITIZENS

That's fantastic. How about you guys focus on THEM instead of the illegals? If they stopped, the illegals would stop. No wall needed!

 

[Truthfrees]

I don't like it because it won't work. A wall is an incorrect solution for the problem and while I might be willing to go along with something cheap to keep your side happy, it is way too expensive not to go unchallenged. Basically, a wall can be defeated with a ladder and a rope in under fifteen minutes by an average, healthy person. The cost of it does not fix the benefit.

the new section of wall trump built was 30' high and unscalable

it is also durable so it will not rust out like the 14' steel fence that is presently in place

the sections of 14' fence that trump reinforced was made unscalable also - trump doesn't like wasting money - he does it right and he does it cost effectively

 

[Shiloh Raven]

That's fantastic. How about you guys focus on THEM instead of the illegals? If they stopped, the illegals would stop. No wall needed!

That would mean Donald Trump would get into some hot water too. Trump rants and raves about illegal immigrants and he's been caught with his own hand in the cookie jar. For shame, Donald.

Donald Trump Paid $1.4 Million in a Dispute Over Undocumented Workers.

President Trump Hired Undocumented Immigrants for $4 an Hour For Demolition Project: Court Docs

Sen. Sanders: 'Hypocrite' Trump rants against undocumented immigrants, but hires them at his properties