Do you think Christians sin? If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

[ClementofA]

I posted:

Yes. Such as in spending time on message forums when they should be on their knees with an open bible.

So you think it is a sin to help others understand the Word of God by way of a forum?

Wasn't it clear? If you should be doing something else you're not doing, it is a sin. It's called rebellion, which is as the sin of witchcraft.

It seems like you have side stepped the issue.
Also, imagine if you were on your knees the whole day with an open Bible. How can you then sin if you are doing that all the day long?

By what you think in your heart, e.g. holding a grudge.

You pointed out something that was not even a sin and then you pointed for us to do something righteous.

Again rebellion is a sin.

That aside, however, your posts in this thread are very good. From what i've read up to page 5, at least.

 

[Alithis]

No. I have shown that one sin can separate a person from God because this is what Numbers 35:6-18, 1 John 3:15, Leviticus 20:10, Proverbs 6:32, Matthew 5:28-30 says. In addition, Adam, Eve, Ananias, Sapphira, and Simon are prime examples that one sin can separate a believer from God.

Justifying one grievous sin (for a temporary amount of time) is no different than justifying many grievous sins all the time. God does not give us a limited time only sin special. It doesn’t work like that. God is good. He cannot agree with a person’s thinking that grievous sin that He condemns is okay if we just do that sin once. Otherwise, there would be no fear of the Lord. A person could toy with sin in your view and think they are cool with God. But the heart is deceitful.

1 Corinthians 2:16 says we have the mind of Christ. Now, if we have the mind of Christ, will we will not justify sin by saying we can commit grievous sin one time and still be right with God? Surely not.

We have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
This is why David was not saved when he sinned.
He needed to confess in order to be forgiven.

Jas... what i find so troubling is why you thought this should be posted in controversial thread ....
how far has it fallen that a topic as foundational and basic as repentance and freedom from sin requires this type of section to be discussed - when did repentance from sin in the ceasing of known willfull sin become a controversial topic in Christendom

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jas... what i find so troubling is why you thought this should be posted in controversial thread ....
how far has it fallen that a topic as foundational and basic as repentance and freedom from sin requires this type of section to be discussed - when did repentance from sin in the ceasing of known willfull sin become a controversial topic in Christendom

If you have been paying attention within this thread, most (like 98%) here believe King David was saved while he was committing his sins of adultery and murder. For me: That is how you spot someone trying to justify sin on some level. Oh, sure; They may say King David had to confess later or they would not be forgiven, but the deception is that a person can abide in grievous sin for a certain amount of time before they even confess of that grievous sin. This is wrong because if we teach that we can abide in horrible unrepentant grievous sin and be saved while doing so (even for a short amount of time - which the Bible does not teach), then a person can deceive themselves even more to think that they can commit grievous sin all the time and be saved. Oh, and yes; I have talked with believers (even here) who say they can sin as much as you want and still be saved. They say all you need is a belief alone on Jesus to be saved. They say everyone is a sinner, etc. Nobody can stop sinning, etc. The strange thing is that even those who say we have to live holy and confess our sins as a part of the faith will also contradict themselves and say that all you need is a belief alone on Jesus to be saved. They will also say they are sinners sometimes, too. Many of them are preaching a double message (with them even realizing it).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I posted:

Yes. Such as in spending time on message forums when they should be on their knees with an open bible.

So you think it is a sin to help others understand the Word of God by way of a forum?

Yes. Such as in spending time on message forums when they should be on their knees with an open bible.

Wasn't it clear? If you should be doing something else you're not doing, it is a sin. It's called rebellion, which is as the sin of witchcraft.

Please show me a New Testament Bible verse or passage where it is a sin if believers spend more time helping the brethren to understand the Word of God vs. being on their knees in prayer all day with God.

...imagine if you were on your knees the whole day with an open Bible. How can you then sin if you are doing that all the day long?

By what you think in your heart, e.g. holding a grudge.

I think if a person is sincere or genuinely on their knees all day in prayer, they would be open to what God has to say and He would naturally convict them of such a sin of holding a grudge towards someone (Whereby they would repent, i.e. confess of such a sin). John 16:8 says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of it's sin. How much more would this be for the person who is truly wanting to hear God and on their knees?

You pointed out something that was not even a sin and then you pointed for us to do something righteous.

Again rebellion is a sin.

You implied it was sinful to help other brethren to understand the Word of God vs. being in prayer on one's knees all day. This is what I am mean when I say that you are implying something as being sinful when the Bible does not specifically say that such a thing is sinful. This to me sounds like you are making up your own rule book and saying that is what God says (When I do not see any verse or passage talking about that), unless of course you can point to me a passage in the Bible that says what you are saying here.

As for your statement that rebellion is a sin:

This is true.

It is written,

22 "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king." (1 Samuel 15:22-23).

Rebellion would be an all out disobedience to God in every way.
I would see the atheist as an example of rebelling against God.
He is rebelling against everything God stands for and they are against His Holy Word. They are in total all out disobedience or rebellion against God.

I have run into a few Christians who think they can sin as much as they want and still be saved. I would say they are also in a way rebelling against God, too. But not to the same degree as say an atheist.

That aside, however, your posts in this thread are very good. From what i've read up to page 5, at least.

Thank you. But of course I am only seeking praise from God and not any person exactly. But thank you for the kind words here, though.

Love, peace, and blessings to you in the Lord this fine day.

 

[Billy Evmur]

This is your big problem

All the commandments are comprehended in these 2.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and all thine strength
and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And you don't.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It is the probationers who are stunted in their growth, they never get beyond the "am I saved yes or no?" stage, they are not steadfast, they are not sure of God, will He save me? damn me? am I in? out? today, tomorrow, next Christmas? who knows?

Sickly plants never shooting down their roots into the rich soil of God's love.

Jason has been posting on this one single theme for YEARS, never varying, always about fear and doubt. Never about sonship and getting on in the things of God.

Digging around in the mire of gloom.

Thanks for the info. I could not know that. This is a fruit of OSAS theology. They stay in the "just being saved by grace" mode and do not grow beyond this theme. That is it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

For the record, I no longer believe in OSAS.

Good for you. I am very glad you shed that very dangerous and false theology. It has very bad fruit.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

This is your big problem

All the commandments are comprehended in these 2.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and all thine strength
and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And you don't.

How do you know he doesn't? I don't see evidence of that.

 

[Alithis]

If you have been paying attention within this thread, most (like 98%) here believe King David was saved while he was committing his sins of adultery and murder. For me: That is how you spot someone trying to justify sin on some level. Oh, sure; They may say King David had to confess later or they would not be forgiven, but the deception is that a person can abide in grievous sin for a certain amount of time before they even confess of that grievous sin. This is wrong because if we teach that we can abide in horrible unrepentant grievous sin and be saved while doing so (even for a short amount of time - which the Bible does not teach), then a person can deceive themselves even more to think that they can commit grievous sin all the time and be saved. Oh, and yes; I have talked with believers (even here) who say they can sin as much as you want and still be saved. They say all you need is a belief alone on Jesus to be saved. They say everyone is a sinner, etc. Nobody can stop sinning, etc. The strange thing is that even those who say we have to live holy and confess our sins as a part of the faith will also contradict themselves and say that all you need is a belief alone on Jesus to be saved. They will also say they are sinners sometimes, too. Many of them are preaching a double message (with them even realizing it).

we are set free from the power of sin
we are given much grace to learn to walk in that freedom
no one born of god can continue to practice sin
this does not mean they wil never sin but it does mean they never HAVE to wiling do so .
As the holy spirit convicts them .. because they love the lord JESUS they immediately confess and repent and do NOT return to that sin .
as they grow there is a constant and very fast diminishing of the acts of sin as their mind is renewed with the truth and an exponential increase in doing righteousness.

but when a person just continues to practice the same sin -even after the holy Spirit has made it known to them as SIN.. and they continue to do it .they display consistent rebellion . this means they have never yet sincerely repented and do not know God , have not seen God .
if they say im just a sinner .... they speak the truth .. if they say "im a sinner consistently practicing my sin ,thats been saved - they lie . if they have been saved then they are no longer sins slave so will not serve it anymore . if they continue to serve it thay are showing who thier preferred master is and sin will again become thier master

Jesus said repentance for the forgivness of sin will be preached .
repentance is not a one of action but a constant state of being turned to God in love seeking to DO as he says to do . those who say they are saved just because they stopped some bad things but they do not then GO and DO what he says to do are in an equal state of self deception ,being hearers of the word but not doers they are SELF deceived .

[everything i just wrote about is simple a paraphrase directly out of the new testament ..
for reference the reader can go to the book of john ... the letter to the Romans , and the epistle of john particularly 1 john ch 3 .]

my original point in what you were not replying to is that it is shocking that such a basic foundation of faith on Jesus (faith means to take actions based upon what your believe ) should feel that it must be relagated to a controversial setting .. it should be able to be posted EVERY WHERE on cf and only those who oppose it should be in the controversial section lol.

to address David again... he as us , required repentance .. the prophet came to him and pointed out his Sin - David had glossed it over in his carnal reasoning and self justified it im sure . but when it is made plain to him -he repents . at this time the lord says .. I forgive you , and this is the moment in which Davids salvation is restored .

 

[ClementofA]

You implied it was sinful to help other brethren to understand the Word of God vs. being in prayer on one's knees all day.

No, i gave an example of sin, as follows: "Such as in spending time on message forums when they should be on their knees with an open bible."

Another example is Jonah being told to do something which he should have been doing, but rebelled against. Rebellion is a sin.

Another example is if the Spirit impresses upon you to go speak to person X but you refuse. There is no Bible command telling you to speak to person X. It is the Spirit within leading you.

Likewise, if the Spirit is leading you to prayer instead of the internet but you refuse, that is a sin just as much as rebellion, adultery or witchcraft.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No, i gave an example of sin, as follows: "Such as in spending time on message forums when they should be on their knees with an open bible."

Again, we need a Bible verse or passage that says a Christian cannot be helping other Christians (which could be via a “message forum”) instead of them being on their knees in prayer with an open Bible.

Your just saying it is a sin, does not make it so.

Another example is Jonah being told to do something which he should have been doing, but rebelled against. Rebellion is a sin.

Some believe from the text that Jonah had died and went to hell and came back. In either case, if Jonah did rebel in such a way as like the sin of witchcraft, he would have to repent of that sin to be forgiven (saved) again.

Another example is if the Spirit impresses upon you to go speak to person X but you refuse. There is no Bible command telling you to speak to person X. It is the Spirit within leading you.

God’s Word tells us to preach the gospel to every creature. But does the Bible say if we missed opportunities to preach to some souls, we would be lost?

I see the Bible how if we are faithful over a few things, we will still be rewarded.

Likewise, if the Spirit is leading you to prayer instead of the internet but you refuse, that is a sin just as much as rebellion, adultery or witchcraft.

The Spirit acts in harmony with God’s Word because the Scriptures are divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. Paul was told not to go to Jerusalem, yet He went anyways despite the warning by God. Was Paul condemned? No. He went out of love for his people. Granted, he did pay a price for not listening. He was thrown into prison and eventually killed. But was Paul unsaved by not listening? No. Because he was acting in love towards his neighbor. He cared deeply for the salvation of his fellow Jews.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

we are set free from the power of sin
we are given much grace to learn to walk in that freedom
no one born of god can continue to practice sin
this does not mean they wil never sin but it does mean they never HAVE to wiling do so .
As the holy spirit convicts them .. because they love the lord JESUS they immediately confess and repent and do NOT return to that sin .
as they grow there is a constant and very fast diminishing of the acts of sin as their mind is renewed with the truth and an exponential increase in doing righteousness.

but when a person just continues to practice the same sin -even after the holy Spirit has made it known to them as SIN.. and they continue to do it .they display consistent rebellion . this means they have never yet sincerely repented and do not know God , have not seen God .
if they say im just a sinner .... they speak the truth .. if they say "im a sinner consistently practicing my sin ,thats been saved - they lie . if they have been saved then they are no longer sins slave so will not serve it anymore . if they continue to serve it thay are showing who thier preferred master is and sin will again become thier master

Jesus said repentance for the forgivness of sin will be preached .
repentance is not a one of action but a constant state of being turned to God in love seeking to DO as he says to do . those who say they are saved just because they stopped some bad things but they do not then GO and DO what he says to do are in an equal state of self deception ,being hearers of the word but not doers they are SELF deceived .

[everything i just wrote about is simple a paraphrase directly out of the new testament ..
for reference the reader can go to the book of john ... the letter to the Romans , and the epistle of john particularly 1 john ch 3 .]

my original point in what you were not replying to is that it is shocking that such a basic foundation of faith on Jesus (faith means to take actions based upon what your believe ) should feel that it must be relagated to a controversial setting .. it should be able to be posted EVERY WHERE on cf and only those who oppose it should be in the controversial section lol.

to address David again... he as us , required repentance .. the prophet came to him and pointed out his Sin - David had glossed it over in his carnal reasoning and self justified it im sure . but when it is made plain to him -he repents . at this time the lord says .. I forgive you , and this is the moment in which Davids salvation is restored .

Not against God’s grace. Without it, we would all be doomed. I am not denying a Christian cannot sin on rare occasions, but it is not a way of life for them. Their life is characterized by the Lord living in them.

Anyways, I am glad to hear you don’t believe David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder and that he had to seek forgiveness with God (Psalms 51) to be forgiven (saved) again.

 

[Alithis]

No, i gave an example of sin, as follows: "Such as in spending time on message forums when they should be on their knees with an open bible."

Another example is Jonah being told to do something which he should have been doing, but rebelled against. Rebellion is a sin.

Another example is if the Spirit impresses upon you to go speak to person X but you refuse. There is no Bible command telling you to speak to person X. It is the Spirit within leading you.

Likewise, if the Spirit is leading you to prayer instead of the internet but you refuse, that is a sin just as much as rebellion, adultery or witchcraft.

this is an odd sideline conversation ... spending time on a message board is not sin.. BUT .. if the lord is telling YOU to go pray instead and you resist him he will urge you . if you resist further you are missing the point ..(sinning ) but if the lord is telling that to YOU.. then be sure YOU obey him . dont ignore him then project and impose what he is telling you to do onto others and think it makes up for what your not doing ..... and then condemn them for not doing what he is telling you (not them ) to do

 

[Billy Evmur]

How do you know he doesn't? I don't see evidence of that.

he's human.

...nor do you

 

[friend of]

@Billy Evmur Hi. I think you made a really good post a few pages back. However, I don't really know why you feel the need to accuse other users of not being loving. It's not really called for.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Not against God’s grace. Without it, we would all be doomed. I am not denying a Christian cannot sin on rare occasions, but it is not a way of life for them. Their life is characterized by the Lord living in them.

Anyways, I am glad to hear you don’t believe David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder and that he had to seek forgiveness with God (Psalms 51) to be forgiven (saved) again.

Jason, you got a pretty good head on your shoulders and a good heart inside. I would ask you to think about your 3rd and 4th sentence in the first paragraph. Does this really describe the Christians here or those who know closely? Does this describe you accurately? Is this seen in the posts here given by Christians to Christians? Are their words characterized by the Lord living in them and writing through them?

I say this because if a person wants truth, then they will have to apply their theories about how things work to real life. If their theories do not match what is actually seen, then the theory needs to be adjusted if that person wants to know the truth. Most people do not want the truth. They like their own theories and the truth is more unpleasant than the theories they hold. I do not know your mind and heart but if you want truth, I would ask you to consider if what you wrote is what all of us see or at least what you see when you interact with Christians dealing with disagreement or planning or working where there is conflict. (Even athiest appear christlike when they all agree on some course of action that is in itself morally good.)

Regarding David and his state, this touches another topic that has come up before. David was not "unsaved" during his affair as he had not died and was not judged. The Bible says it is appointed for men to die once and THEN comes judgment. God is not up there writing down "saved.....opps, not unsaved......no, now saved again..." depending upon the choices we make each day. David was not "unsaved" as he had not died. He was headed for the unsaved same as Saul was. If he had not repented (David) he would have been. But there is time given to repent and until that time is up, one is not yet judged.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

he's human.

...nor do you

What this reveals is a lack of discernment. Did Jesus love God? He was human too. Why do you think being human eliminates loving God? Why did God tell man to love Him and love others if one cannot do so because one is human. Very odd theology.

 

[Billy Evmur]

What this reveals is a lack of discernment. Did Jesus love God? He was human too. Why do you think being human eliminates loving God? Why did God tell man to love Him and love others if one cannot do so because one is human. Very odd theology.

We are not Jesus, no other person kept the law and commandments faultlessly. Jesus is God.

 

[Billy Evmur]

We are not Jesus, no other person kept the law and commandments faultlessly. Jesus is God, er did you discern that yet?.

 

[Billy Evmur]

@Billy Evmur Hi. I think you made a really good post a few pages back. However, I don't really know why you feel the need to accuse other users of not being loving. It's not really called for.

I did not accuse him of being unloving...