As St. Augustine pointed out, the text itself shows that it isn't literal.
Augustine had quite a few issues himself.
The Barbarian said:
That's good.
Because, as the early Christians noted, the text of Genesis itself tells us that it's not a literal history. This verse says that man's body was created like the other animals from the world itself, but that his soul is given directly by God.
I'd say that's a matter of interpretation.
The Barbarian said:
You could tell the Author about it.
I have no problem with the author. If I do have a problem it's with some of men's interpretations.
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According to you, but perhaps not the Holy Spirit.
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Problem is, Christians who use "common spiritual sense" all disagree on whether or not it's literal.
You're right, there's a lot of disagreements on a lot of things by many Christians. All we have to do is to look at this forum in order to observe that. It's unfortunate since Paul told us that we're to be like minded, lol.
Philippians 2:2 (KJV) Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love,
being of one accord, of one mind.
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We can test that idea by seeing if DNA similarity fits organisms of known descent. Turns out it does. So we know it in
dicates common descent.
Yes. I agree. But I say that it points to a common creator which is what's important and does not give us the exact details of how He performed it. The creation of life is one of the great mysteries which man is incapable of figuring out, no matter how he tries, and Lord knows he tries.
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The initial creation was instantaneous. But of course, creation continued as the universe developed from that initial creation. Still does today. You and I , for example, are created by God.
I can agree to an extent with this. In terms of creation continuing to develop (or evolving for that matter) yes, but not to the extent that some evolutionists want to take it, in many cases wanting to entirely leave God out of the picture.
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Nature is a creation of His, by which He does most things in this world.
Absolutely. 100%.
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The Author of the Bible, for example.
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Why would He have created nature, if not to serve His purposes? He says in scripture that it does.
Yes. No one's denying this from what I can tell.
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Barbarian notes that man evolved from other hominids.
This is where I beg to differ. I suppose if you want to say that man's related to him in some way that may be true, from the standpoint that we both came from the same Creator and that Creator used much of the same materials to create the both of us.
The Barbarian said:
God's will. Divine providence does it as He intends.
I agree on that too. Regardless of how He did it, He did it and that's what's most important in my estimation.
The Barbarian said:
A few million years ago from other hominids.
That I don't know but what I do know is that God could have created more than one species of man at different points in time if He wanted to, and that it wasn't necessary for Him to have one species to "evolve" into another as many evolutionists (including yourself may seem to claim. Why would that be necessary? He could create, then destroy, and create again if He desired to do so which it appears He may have. Who knows for sure? A lot of speculation on man's part. I take what the Bible says literally when it makes the most sense and it does to me when it comes to creation. Less than 100 years ago everyone thought that the Book of Revelation was made up of purely metaphors (could't possibly be literal) and then man came up with the Atomic bomb and today we know we can literally destroy the earth 1000 times over with nuclear weapons.
The Barbarian said:
Certainly one of the best. A theory is an idea or group of ideas, repeatedly verified by evidence.
I'm not denigrating science, I just am just suspicious of science that is used to contradict the Bible and I believe that the Bible gives us all the answers we need with regard to creation. I believe that science can be used to confirm (or perhaps better understand) what the Bible already tells us,
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So astronomy is a way of compromising the idea that the Earth orbits the Sun, with Christianity? I don't think so. Since God doesn't actually tell us either heliocentrism or evolution (and He doesn't deny either of those things), no compromise is needed. The conflicts arose because men attached their own desires and ideas to scripture and then imagined that they were scripture.
Job 26:7 (KJV) He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Isaiah 40:22 (KJV) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof
are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
It's amazing how much the Bible tells us about the stars and astronomy. You might like these if you haven't seen them:
http://www.thechristianidentityforum.net/downloads/Astronomy-Bible.pdf
http://www.ctvn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1203-Creation-Astronomy1.pdf
http://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~kalas/...Modern Astronomy, the Bible, and Creation.pdf
I don't think it's wise for us to assume because the Bible doesn't say anything about something that it must be true.
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Which is why YE creationism is in such trouble.
The one thing that I'll do is I'll grant to science is it's opinion the earth age being much older than originally thought. I used to believe in a younger earth (the prevailing opinion for many years) but with all the scientific evidence gathered over the years it looks as though most people had it wrong. I don't have a problem with this (as many people do) because the Bible doesn't tell us how long the earth has been in existence, hence, no conflict.