Do you think Christians sin? If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

[Thess]

No hurt feelings on my end. It did occur to me that your assumption about verse 20 falls apart a few verses later when Paul is thankful to Christ for delivering him from “the emotional matrix” if you think that verse refers to that. Thats my position, delivered from the matrix and no longer there, if I ever was. Wishing you well but encourage you to read all of the verses not just edit out the one you like.

Btw, you are not the picture of gentleness and courtesy but think everyone has your experience.

[1Co 4:3 NIV] 3a "I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court....

 

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My story was powerful enough and I'll let it rest on it's own merrits. No ill-will intended, it's just that I am making powerful points that can stand on their own. I have no time to paraphrase myself unless I feel that I am sincerely being asked. No biggie.

Jesus says, "Whoever is the greatest should be the servant of the others."
(Matthew 23:11) (CEV).

If the roles were reversed, and you did not understand something I said, I would attempt to clarify it (so as to help you understand). But that is me. I would do this because I deeply care about God's Word and desire my brothers and sisters to know about the Word because I care for them, too.

Jesus said to Peter,
"Simon, son of Jonas, do love you me?"

Peter said unto him,
"Yes, Lord; you know that I love you."

Jesus said unto him,
"Feed my sheep."

(John 21:16).

 

[Thess]

Jesus says, "Whoever is the greatest should be the servant of the others."
(Matthew 23:11) (CEV).

If the roles were reversed, and you did not understand something I said, I would attempt to clarify it (so as to help them understand). But that is me. I would do this because I deeply care about God's Word and desire my brothers and sisters to know about it because I care for them, too.

Jesus said to Peter,
"Simon, son of Jonas, do love you me?"

Peter said unto him,
"Yes, Lord; you know that I love you."

Jesus said unto him,
"Feed my sheep."

So now I'm at fault for following Paul's commands. Ok.

[Rom 14:1 NLT] 1 "Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong."

 

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So now I'm at fault for following Paul's commands. Ok.

[Rom 14:1 NLT] 1 "Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong."

So you are implying I am a weak brother?
If so, that is not nice or Christian like.

Besides, Romans 14 is not talking about the Moral Law (like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet) or in fulfilling the great commission and or feeding the poor.

Romans 14 about ordinances of the Old Law that have been nailed to the cross.
It is talking about ceremonial laws like the dietary laws and the Sabbath day.
We are not to judge according to Sabbath days, holy days that have been nailed to the cross (See Colossians 2:14-17).

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" (Colossians 2:16).

"Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him." (Romans 14:3).

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." (Romans 14:5).​

Are we talking exclusively about the Sabbath or dietary laws here?

No.

 

[Thess]

So you are implying I am a weak brother?

Well, only the weak continue to argue, and that's what you're doing. This is my last reply to you in this thread (glad to engage in other threads with you) as I refuse to be dominated and controlled, being told what to do and think all based upon the misjudgments of others....that's boring and fruitless.

I'm sure that I'll see you in another thread and I'll do a better job of remembering to interact with you in a different way. Forgive me if I forget.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

[1Co 4:3 NIV] 3a "I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court....

But you have no problem judging others and think that perfectly legimate. It’s too bad really because He most often tells us our faults through others who feel our faults keenly. This verse you use is a fine piece of armor preventing you from learning from him so as to he corrected. He brings a rod and you break it off.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

[1Co 4:3 NIV] 3a "I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court....

Guess you don’t like it that the Bible says Jesus frees us from the matrix

 

[Thess]

But you have no problem judging others and think that perfectly legimate. It’s too bad really because He most often tells us our faults through others who feel our faults keenly. This verse you use is a fine piece of armor preventing you from learning from him so as to he corrected. He brings a rod and you break it off.

I hear you. Be patient, for in the future I will prove myself; I just don't need to prove myself right now. Who I am should not anger you, as my conscious is clear before my Almighty, Powerful God who loves me.

 

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Kind of. If someone isn't paying attention, it would be easy to be led astray, especially with todays dominant Secret Gospel that we all collectively employ.

The gospel is tied to obedience.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14.
13 “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14).

This ties in nicely with:

23 “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).​

Mar 3:28-29 NLT 28 "I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, 29 but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences."

This verse has nothing to do with the gospel. It is talking about speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost.

 

[Thess]

Guess you don’t like it that the Bible says Jesus frees us from the matrix

Please define "Matrix".

 

[Thess]

This verse has nothing to do with the gospel.

Wow

 

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Well, only the weak continue to argue, and that's what you're doing.

If that is the case, then why did Paul argue for a long time against Works Alone Salvationism or Circumcision Salvationism in Galatians and Romans?

1 Timothy 6:12 says, "Fight the good fight of faith,"

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" (1 Peter 3:15).

16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17).​

This is my last reply to you in this thread (glad to engage in other threads with you) as I refuse to be dominated and controlled, being told what to do and think all based upon the misjudgments of others....that's boring and fruitless.

I am only using the Word of God to show you what Jesus says.
If you disagree with my interpretation on a particular verse or passage, please feel free to show me how I am wrong using Scripture of your own.

I'm sure that I'll see you in another thread and I'll do a better job of remembering to interact with you in a different way. Forgive me if I forget.

May the Lord's love shine upon you (even if I disagree with your words and your handling of Scripture so far).

 

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Wow

Please feel free to share with God's Word why you think it does have something to do with the gospel. Blasphemy is speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost which can never be forgiven. But speaking bad words against the Son of Man can be forgiven (Matthew 12:31-32). The blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is a sin that a man can commit here, or the world to come (i.e. the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ). There are going to be NO unbelievers in the Millennium. So blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is as it says. Blasphemy in God's Word is generally speaking in terms of saying words that are blasphemous in God's sight.

 

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The Pharisees said bad words towards the Spirit that was operating in Jesus. They can never be forgiven of this. They spoke bad words against the Holy Ghost.

Yet, an unbeliever can refuse God's plan of salvation at one time, and yet later receive it at another time.

 

[Thess]

If that is the case, then why did Paul argue for a long time against Works Alone Salvationism or Circumcision Salvationism in Galatians and Romans?

Because those arguments have eternal consequences. This is an argument over a colossal misunderstanding of MY intentions of MY previous post. It is not up to anyone to determine the path of MY points, therefore, this misjudgment is a deviated path that I just don't care to go down. I'm sorry that you are hurt, but I don't know how else to tell you guys this. Seriously, I don't get it.

If you disagree with my interpretation on a particular verse or passage, please feel free to show me how I am wrong using Scripture of your own.

Will do, but let's move on. I'm not interested in racking up Message numbers. Let's show the world that we can do a better job of communicating in the next thread. Let's focus on maturity.

I off to inspect a new church.

 

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I guess I am not comfortable making up a table of what causes one to lose salvation. It is like asking a husband how many dates with other men can the wife go on before the marriage is over. IT is a kind of thinking I do not think profitable.

I only share what I feel is the truth from God's Word. For me, it is all too clear that just one sin can separate a person from God, unless they repent (confess) of such a sin of course. In addition, it is also a moral issue, as well. There is no difference between justifying one horrible act of evil vs. justifying many. God would have to agree with a person's thinking that it is okay to sin and still be saved in order to save them. But this is not possible because God is good and He cannot agree with grievous sin that He condemns or places a person in a state of spiritual death.

1 Corinthians 2:16 says, "we have the mind of Christ."

Now, if we have the mind of Christ, we can never justify sin because Jesus never justified sin (This would include justifying even minor transgressions or faults (that do not lead to spiritual death, like disobeying the command to be baptized, or the command to "Rejoice when we are persecuted," etc.).

 

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Because those arguments have eternal consequences. This is an argument over a colossal misunderstanding of MY intentions of MY previous post. It is not up to anyone to determine the path of MY points, therefore, this misjudgment is a deviated path that I just don't care to go down. I'm sorry that you are hurt, but I don't know how else to tell you guys this. Seriously, I don't get it.

Well, that is a false assumption. I am not hurt by anything you said. I just disagree strongly with your words and your view of Scripture. My argument is for the Word of God in what it says. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). I am defending the faith or the Word of God in what it says. How is it wrong to do that? You see it as arguing. I see it as defending the Word of God.

If you disagree with my interpretation on a particular verse or passage, please feel free to show me how I am wrong using Scripture of your own.

Will do, but let's move on. I'm not interested in racking up Message numbers. Let's show the world that we can do a better job of communicating in the next thread. Let's focus on maturity.

Understanding what God's Word actually says is a mature thing to do, friend.
For Scripture says God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

I off to inspect a new church.

Christian Forums is not a church if that is what you are implying. It is a message board of Christians discussing God's Word from different denominations. For me, the church is a body of believers that agree with what the Bible says and they have fellowship with one another in each others homes, work places, and or on mission trips, etc. It's not really gathering in a big building or saying we are a part of a particular organization. God's people are the church. They are the body of Christ.

 

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I guess I am not comfortable making up a table of what causes one to lose salvation. It is like asking a husband how many dates with other men can the wife go on before the marriage is over. IT is a kind of thinking I do not think profitable.

But imagine if you will that husband did something that was like really really bad. Maybe the husband sexually assaulted someone the wife deeply loved. I think that would be grounds for a divorce. Or maybe the husband slept with the wife's mother or her own child (God forbid). This again would be grounds for divorce - IMO. One act of evil is all it can take. Jesus did not say that many acts of unfaithfulness is grounds for a divorce. He just said fornication. A person can show their own gross unfaithfulness by just one horrible act or deed. Ananais and Sapphira were killed for lying to the Holy Ghost. They were condemned and were not saved. This is not to say that in some circumstances, certain cases of unfaithfulness can be forgiven, but if a person is unfaithful, it is pretty hard for them to stop in many cases. This is why Jesus says we have a Biblical exception to divorce a person; And this is fornication (Which can be one act of unfaithfulness or fornication). We can surely forgive them, but that does not mean we have to stay in the marriage with them if they break their vow of marriage by sleeping with another.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

But imagine if you will that husband did something that was like really really bad. Maybe the husband sexually assaulted someone the wife deeply loved. I think that would be grounds for a divorce. Or maybe the husband slept with the wife's mother or her own child (God forbid). This again would be grounds for divorce - IMO. One act of evil is all it can take. Jesus did not say that many acts of unfaithfulness is grounds for a divorce. He just said unfaithfulness. A person can show their own gross unfaithfulness by just one horrible act or deed. Ananais and Sapphira were killed for lying to the Holy Ghost. They were condemned and were not saved. This is not to say that in some circumstances, certain cases of unfaithfulness can be forgiven, but if a person is unfaithful, it is pretty hard for them to stop in many cases. This is why Jesus says we have a Biblical exception to divorce a person; And this is unfaithfulness (Which can be one act of unfaithfulness). We can surely forgive them, but that does not mean we have to stay in the marriage with them if they break their vow of marriage by sleeping with another.

I guess I just don’t think of how much sin or how few sins do this. It’s a foreign concept.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Please define "Matrix".

YOU started using that word, you need to define it. I asked what you mean and instead of doing so you gave a Bible verse.