Do you think Christians sin? If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

[Thess]

But this is not taught in the Bible. Nowhere is this belief even remotely taught.

Kind of. If someone isn't paying attention, it would be easy to be led astray, especially with todays dominant Secret Gospel that we all collectively employ.

[Mar 3:28-29 NLT] 28 "I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, 29 but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences."

 

[Thess]

Considering the description in the Bible of those who cast out demons, being thrashed afterwards is going very wrong. No one, not one, who cast out demons got attacked by them afterwards except the sons of Sceva. Their experience is closer to yours. That’s all I’m saying.

You have not shown that you even comprehend the story, so your conclusions and judgements are equal to the Jolly Green Giant and Cinderella. Your understanding of what I've written is that of a fairy tale. Sorry, I just don't know of any other way to let you know that you're not understanding. Not trying to be mean.

 

[friend of]

Well, believers definitely sinned as a part of their old life

So you're saying 1 John 1:9 is no longer relevant to the mature Christian...

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You have not shown that you even comprehend the story, so your conclusions and judgements are equal to the Jolly Green Giant and Cinderella. Your understanding of what I've written is that of a fairy tale. Sorry, I just don't know of any other way to let you know that you're not understanding. Not trying to be mean.

Did you suffer some kind of demonic attack after casting them out or not?

And by the way, if you don't want to be mean, do not tell someone else ever again that their idea of something is equal to the Jolly Green Giant and Cinderella. That is mean. Even if you tell yourself the untruth that you are not trying be mean, you suceeded in being mean. Next time you write that you are not trying to be mean, read your post and test and see if you think someone telling you that your thinking on the matter is like the Jolly Green Giant or Cinderellla. Would you like someone to tell you that that is your thinking? I think it was pretty mean and you are fooling yourself about your intentions.

PS: I do note that you called out to God finally who rescued you but no one in the Bible, besides the sons of Sceva, had to even have God rescue them from demons after dealing with them. I have heard a few accounts of this and cast out a demon myself and yours is the first time I ever heard that the demons had some authority to attack the attacker later. Maybe they left the house and went and lived in your car instead. IF so, you might want to know what to do differently next time so they don't leave that residence and decide to live with you instead.

 

[Thess]

Would you like someone to tell you that that is your thinking?

Did you suffer some kind of demonic attack after casting them out or not?

Please understand that I would rather work with a person that is suicidal than rehash issues that are not the issue. That is time wasted, and I follow biblical advice which is to let things go and not argue over doctrine or any other thing. Right now, a little boy is being raped and a little girl is being beaten. We all have more important things to do than be right all the time; I have no need to be right. We're good. We're good.

Thanks for asking (I try not to answer questions that are not asked). No, I did not cast out any demons. I know nothing about them, not having any personal encounters with them until on my way home alone in my car. The young man wanted nothing to do with me as I was on my way [to] Arizona and left before I arrived, for his threats of murdering me by mutilation did not deter my being willing to die to save my elderly friend. I didn't know about the evil spirit until I felt it in my friends home, but I did nothing about it....I didn't even think of it, for I was not the Christian man that I am now. But this isn't what my story is about. I just don't know how to get you to understand this. You've missed the point.

And yes! I desperately wished that someone would have told me that I was in a total Matrix type of fantasy land (as we all are) and shook the daylights out of me until I woke up from my slumber. So know that I don't say those things to hurt anyone, but to help one. I wish that someone had rattled my cage so that I wouldn't have hurt, so terribly, so many people. More of my story will be revealed as I stay here and I'm confident that you'll find that I am no one's enemy. I am an experienced hand that is desperate for equality and fairness. I'm not your enemy, but if you want an ally, try to understand me....that would be great.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Please understand that I would rather work with a person that is suicidal than rehash issues that are not the issue. That is time wasted, and I follow biblical advice which is to let things go and not argue over doctrine or any other thing. Right now, a little boy is being raped and a little girl is being beaten. We all have more important things to do that be right all the time. We're good. We're good.

OK, but I would have considered what you did that did not go well. I suspect the demon possessed boy left and cursed you so the demons when after you. Now that you were subject to that is troubling. This would cause me to seek God as to what is wrong in my life, what door is open, than a demon can cause one to curse and swear becoming evil. That is not normal.

Thanks for asking (I try not to answer questions that are not asked). No, I did not cast out any demons. I know nothing about them, not having any person encounters with them until on my way home alone in my car. The young man wanted nothing to do with me as I was on my way [to] Arizona, for his threats of murdering me by mutilation did not deter my being willing to die to save my elderly friend. But this isn't what my story is about. I just don't know how to get you to understand this. You've missed the point.

I still would want to learn what went wrong. Demons are not allowed to physically attack Christians and often not attack them in other ways either unless a door in their lives is open.

And yes! I desperately wished that someone would have told me that I was in a total Matrix type of fantasy land (as we all are) and shook the daylights out of me until I woke up from my slumber. So know that I don't say those things to hurt anyone, but to help one. I wish that someone had rattled my cage so that I wouldn't have hurt, so terribly, so many people. More of my story will be revealed as I stay here and I'm confident that you'll find that I am no one's enemy. I am an experienced hand that is desperate for equality and fairness. I'm not your enemy, but if you want an ally, try to understand me....that would be great.

I don't think of you as an enemy at all. It was gentle advise to you not to call others' thinking the Jolly Green Giant and then comfort yourself with you not wanting to be mean. That was mean. Just say the thinking is off. That is not mean.

I can appreciate how your experience described above has impressed you. I am glad you woke up. I was never in a Matrix type fantasy in my whole life so I cannot relate but I can appreciate it. I have walked with God to some degree since childhood so that is very real and prevents fooling yourself on many occassions.

I am very glad to try to understand you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

God’s grace (that comes with the offer of forgiveness) is never cheap.
The Lord paid a high price to save us.
So 1 John 1:9 does not apply then?
I see this as a promise verse that a person can bank upon in their honest time of need (and not as mere paying of lip service with no change in a person’s life). For 1 John 1:7 is in context to 1 John 1:9.

Anything you get something that YOU paid nothing for, it is cheap. That someone else paid a high price does not mean that you did. That is the definition of cheap, that the recepient does not pay.

 

[Thess]

I was never in a Matrix type fantasy in my whole life so I cannot relate but I can appreciate it.

None are outside of this emotional matrix, not one. Rest assured, heaven will not be crowded.

I'll tell more another day. Good night.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

None are outside of this emotional matrix, not one. Rest assured, heaven will not be crowded.

I'll tell more another day. Good night.

Well, I am very sure that comforts you to think that no one is different than the experience of living you have had but it is simply not true. I am not in an emotional or any other kind of Matrix. Jesus said those who keep his teaching will know the truth and the truth will set them free. One of the things we are freed from is the matrix you speak of. It is just true. God is bigger than any matrix and his children who obey him, he leads them out of it. They can see it but why are not contained within it.

 

[Thess]

Well, I am very sure that comforts you to think that no one is different than the experience of living you have had but it is simply not true. I am not in an emotional or any other kind of Matrix. Jesus said those who keep his teaching will know the truth and the truth will set them free. One of the things we are freed from is the matrix you speak of. It is just true. God is bigger than any matrix and his children who obey him, he leads them out of it. They can see it but why are not contained within it.

I'm very sorry, Dorothy Mae, but there must be some kind of translation problem? I mean, we aren't communicating very well and I don't know how to be on the same communication level. I don't know how to get you to understand what I am saying.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I agree that not all sin is the same. I do not believe the sin of going 5 miles over the speed limit is going to condemn a Christian. But the sin of murder (that is unconfessed) will condemn a Christian because the Bible clearly condemns sins like murder. The Bible does not say you have to murder many times in order to become unsaved. It only takes one act of murder.

I guess I am not comfortable making up a table of what causes one to lose salvation. It is like asking a husband how many dates with other men can the wife go on before the marriage is over. IT is a kind of thinking I do not think profitable.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'm very sorry, Dorothy Mae, but there must be some kind of translation problem? I mean, we aren't communicating very well and I don't know how to be on the same communication level. I don't know how to get you to understand what I am saying.

You can start with the matrix you preceive you live in but you cannot tell me what my life experience is and expect me to agree. We have had different lives and it is not a good idea to start out assuming we have had the same.

You can describe your matrix and I will test and see if this matches my life. I doubt it from the description so far. I never had a wake up experience except the night I was saved as I have had relationship with God since childhood.

 

[Thess]

You can describe your matrix and I will test and see if this matches my life

Romans 7:20 - And this applies to every human. 100%

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Romans 7:20

That is your answer to what is your matrix? That is not my experience as I said. I am not in the matrix you describe if this is the best description you can give.

 

[Thess]

That is your answer to what is your matrix? That is not my experience as I said. I am not in the matrix you describe if this is the best description you can give.

I changed it to verse 20.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I changed it to verse 20.

If you cannot describe your thinking about this so-called matrix in your own words but use a Bible verse that makes no mention nor even hints at any kind of matrix, how is one to understand your position? Can you use your own words and not borrowed words?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Romans 7:20 - And this applies to every human. 100%

That is not a matrix. James describes it as desire to have.

And it is not all humans all the time, not even Paul.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Thess, first you describe some kind of emotional Matrix you were in and then when I ask for more, you give me a Bible verse that has nothing to do with emotions or a matrix. Maybe you should think about what you think so you can communicate it. I repeat, I am not in a matrix. He whom the sons sets free is free indeed.

 

[Thess]

If you cannot describe your thinking about this so-called matrix in your own words but use a Bible verse that makes no mention nor even hints at any kind of matrix, how is one to understand your position? Can you use your own words and not borrowed words?

It's 1:20 in the morning and you are more argumentative and challenging than I'm up for. I wish your spirit were more kind and gentle and not so assumptive. Bummer, yes, but you clearly don't trust me, so it would be ridiculous for me to continue with further discussion on this thread. No hurt feelings on my end. All is good, all is good.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It's 1:20 in the morning and you are more argumentative and challenging than I'm up for. I wish your spirit were more kind and gentle and not so assumptive. Bummer, yes, but you clearly don't trust me, so it would be ridiculous for me to continue with further discussion on this thread. No hurt feelings on my end. All is good, all is good.

No hurt feelings on my end. It did occur to me that your assumption about verse 20 falls apart a few verses later when Paul is thankful to Christ for delivering him from “the emotional matrix” if you think that verse refers to that. Thats my position, delivered from the matrix and no longer there, if I ever was. Wishing you well but encourage you to read all of the verses not just edit out the one you like.

Btw, you are not the picture of gentleness and courtesy but think everyone has your experience.