Trump just went full Infowars

[Truthfrees]

Right-wing pundit writes op-ed defending Trump's cronies. lol k

it was the best i can find - i don't get my news from the internet

i try to find something online but am not good at doing that

 

[KCfromNC]

the fisa wasn't taken out because of flynn

flynn is a good guy who has not been convicted

don't you wonder why there is no conviction?

Because he pled guilty? What is this, trivia night or something?

where was the warning about the russian connections - like feinstein was given about the chinese spy?

What kind of warning would you expect? I mean, Trump's immediate family met with Russian agents in Trump tower, after all. Shouldn't they have warned him?

 

[KCfromNC]

it was the best i can find

You know, some people wait for good reasons before believing things. I guess what we have here is another approach - come to a conclusion and then scramble to find the best they could to back it up later.

 

[Truthfrees]

What kind of warning would you expect? I mean, Trump's immediate family met with Russian agents in Trump tower, after all. Shouldn't they have warned him?

the russian lawyer met with fusion and glenn simpson the day before and the day after the trump tower meeting

 

[KCfromNC]

the russian lawyer met with fusion and glenn simpson the day before and the day after the trump tower meeting

OK.How does that let Trump's family off the hook for not warnings him ... assuming this whole "why did they not warn him" is actually a thing.

 

[Truthfrees]

You know, some people wait for good reasons before believing things. I guess what we have here is another approach - come to a conclusion and then scramble to find the best they could to back it up later.

i agree - that is how i feel about your sources

 

[Truthfrees]

OK.How does that let Trump's family off the hook for not warnings him ... assuming this whole "why did they not warn him" is actually a thing.

misquoting me will confuse things - so read my posts more carefully and then think it through and perhaps it will occur to you - if not then i will leave you with whatever you presently understand - that will have to do for now -

 

[iluvatar5150]

it was the best i can find - i don't get my news from the internet

i try to find something online but am not good at doing that

Oh boy. Where do you get your news from? Hannity?

 

[Truthfrees]

Oh boy. Where do you get your news from? Hannity?

no why?

i gave a list in another thread of the 12 plus sources i use - i prefer christian news and feeds with no commentary - anything that is factual and calm

 

[iluvatar5150]

no why?

You have a rather unique take on things. I’m curious to know what inspires it.

 

[Truthfrees]

You have a rather unique take on things. I’m curious to know what inspires it.

why - does it sound like hannity?

his show is too hyper for me - it's hard to concentrate on programs where someone is getting too emotional and giving opinion rather than just the facts

same with msm hyper emotional selective negativity

neither one is news imo - it's all biased commentary

 

[Bible2+]

rjs330 said in post #104:

Christians of all types in the US support ownership of guns because they support the Constitution.

Note that the Bible says that Christians do not employ physical weapons or any other violence against people (2 Corinthians 10:3-5, Ephesians 6:12-18). Instead, Jesus Christ at His first coming set the example for what Christians are to do when they are physically attacked by people (1 Peter 2:19-23). They are to go meekly like sheep to the slaughter (Romans 8:36, Psalms 44:6,22), just like Jesus did (Isaiah 53:7). Obedient Christians do not fear death (Hebrews 2:15), and do not love their lives unto death (Revelation 12:11b), but hate their lives in this world, so that they might retain eternal life (John 12:25, Mark 8:34-38). For obedient Christians know that being killed is no loss for them, but gain (Philippians 1:21), as it will bring their still-conscious souls into heaven to be with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:8), which is far better than remaining in this fallen world (Philippians 1:23).

During the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, Christians (not in hiding) will have to face martyrdom with patience and faith to the end (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), just as Christians have always had to spiritually overcome in the face of martyrdom (e.g. Revelation 2:10-11).

 

[Kentonio]

the only thing i can find is he planned to kidnap - doesn't sound like a legit story to me

i'll have to wait until he is actually convicted of something to give a reply to any of the allegations against him

It may just be a coincidence that just as he and his son were being investigated over a plan to accept $15m from Turkey to rendition a prominent Turkish dissident, that Flynn then accepted a plea deal which gave his son a pass and resulted in Flynn pleading guilty to a minor charge in exchange for his cooperation. As you say, we shouldn't just take allegations at face value without more evidence.

I wouldn't however be so quick as to call Flynn a 'good man' and for some reason assume that his only crime was the one he pled guilty to, lying to the FBI, which would appear nonsensical considering he made a plea agreement. The only way that deal makes any sense is if there were more serious crimes being waived in exchange for his cooperation.

 

[Truthfrees]

It may just be a coincidence that just as he and his son were being investigated over a plan to accept $15m from Turkey to rendition a prominent Turkish dissident, that Flynn then accepted a plea deal which gave his son a pass and resulted in Flynn pleading guilty to a minor charge in exchange for his cooperation. As you say, we shouldn't just take allegations at face value without more evidence.

I wouldn't however be so quick as to call Flynn a 'good man' and for some reason assume that his only crime was the one he pled guilty to, lying to the FBI, which would appear nonsensical considering he made a plea agreement. The only way that deal makes any sense is if there were more serious crimes being waived in exchange for his cooperation.

i'll wait until something more concrete comes up to make any negative judgements - from everything i have heard about the man he is honorable -

uncorroborated negative msm reports are not believable to me - if i don't hear it from my sources i have a hard time believing it - my sources report the truth about both sides - in a calm factual way

i used to only listen to msm until i found christian sources - feeds without commentary - and other calmer sources - the way news used to be before it became a money making machine - and reports were skewed to attract viewers

 

[Truthfrees]

Note that the Bible says that Christians do not employ physical weapons or any other violence against people (2 Corinthians 10:3-5, Ephesians 6:12-18). Instead, Jesus Christ at His first coming set the example for what Christians are to do when they are physically attacked by people (1 Peter 2:19-23). They are to go meekly like sheep to the slaughter (Romans 8:36, Psalms 44:6,22), just like Jesus did (Isaiah 53:7). Obedient Christians do not fear death (Hebrews 2:15), and do not love their lives unto death (Revelation 12:11b), but hate their lives in this world, so that they might retain eternal life (John 12:25, Mark 8:34-38). For obedient Christians know that being killed is no loss for them, but gain (Philippians 1:21), as it will bring their still-conscious souls into heaven to be with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:8), which is far better than remaining in this fallen world (Philippians 1:23).

During the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, Christians (not in hiding) will have to face martyrdom with patience and faith to the end (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), just as Christians have always had to spiritually overcome in the face of martyrdom (e.g. Revelation 2:10-11).

actually Jesus' last words on this subject are Luke 22:36 which is different than what you have posted

 

[Kentonio]

actually Jesus' last words on this subject are Luke 22:36 which is different than what you have posted

He spent basically the entire bible telling you to eschew violence, yet one reference to swords and all that should be ignored? Despite the fact he then chastises his disciples when they actually try and use them?

 

[Truthfrees]

He spent basically the entire bible telling you to eschew violence, yet one reference to swords and all that should be ignored? Despite the fact he then chastises his disciples when they actually try and use them?

no not at all - the post i was quoting had a one sided view -

so as a christian there is a reason to have a sword -

as a christian there is also a reason to turn the other cheek -

they both have their place in a godly life - the founders fleshed this out in the 2nd amendment - based on Luke 22:36

even if you are opposed to the 2nd amendment would you want the police and army to be unarmed?

 

[KCfromNC]

i agree - that is how i feel about your sources

Which sources, any what specific problem do you have with them?

 

[KCfromNC]

misquoting me will confuse things

Good thing I didn't. The "Truthfrees said" block is unedited.

Any chance you want to address what I actually wrote?

 

[Kentonio]

no not at all - the post i was quoting had a one sided view -

so as a christian there is a reason to have a sword -

as a christian there is also a reason to turn the other cheek -

they both have their place in a godly life - the founders fleshed this out in the 2nd amendment - based on Luke 22:36

even if you are opposed to the 2nd amendment would you want the police and army to be unarmed?

What was the actual lesson he was teaching with the swords? One of his disciples tried to defend them with one and Jesus chastisized him. Does that sound like Jesus was encouraging the use of weapons for self defense?

As for what I want or would choose, how is that relevant? Surely we’re talking about biblical teaching here? Surely our personal preferences should be completely irrelevant in that discussion?