Vestments: history and meaning

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I can not speak for the Orthodox, but it is commonly used in the Lutheran Church for Advent when following the 3 year lectionairy and the candles in the Advent Wreath are blue; if the one year is followed traditions indicates purple vestments except for the second Sunday in Advent (Gaudete Sunday) where the vestments would be rose coloured; likewise candles lit on the first, third and Sundays are purple, the one for the second Sunday is rose.

Although it is an option, it would be rare for Anglicans to use blue for Advent. It would also be rare for us to have a rose set for two Sundays a year (one in Advent and one in Lent). I would guess that I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of parishes in my diocese which would not just wear violet straight through the penitential seasons.

One you don't seem to mention is the scapular Paidiske?
I gather was noted in monastic use for well over a millenium. Adopted in smaller form by Marian societies more recently.
Does that form part of anglican tradition?

I had to google to find any mention of Anglican use of scapulars (and the top result took me to an old thread in the Anglican forum here!) Apparently there is an Anglican scapular of Our Lady of Walsingham. But it would be very uncommon for Anglicans to wear a scapular.


I believe the stole is considered essential for absolution, as one more aspect of clerical duty.

I'm pulling faces at "essential" but a stole would generally be worn for hearing private confessions.
 
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are the vestments allowed to be worn when delivered to the church or do they have to receive a blessing first? Is Holy Water sprinkled on them?

is there a special group of parishioners who do the washing of the vestments?

Are the beautiful decorations on some of them ironed on with glue?

Who attends to any stains, rips or tears or missing parts like beads or loops of embroidery?

At church there is usually an Alter guild that takes care of the alter and keeps it set up and clean.

Is there a vestment guild? is it only women or can men also do the sewing and cleaning and ironing?
 
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to get purple robes was a really big deal wasn't it at least in the old days....I think it had to come from an octopus! yes, the ink was used to make purple dye and that was very costly to transport.

I wonder where yellow originally came from.

How did one get purple ink from India to the Middle East? Wasn't there a special trail?
 
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are the vestments allowed to be worn when delivered to the church or do they have to receive a blessing first? Is Holy Water sprinkled on them?

Well, usually you'd bless them. I wouldn't use holy water, though, or anything which might mark the fabric.

is there a special group of parishioners who do the washing of the vestments?

Usually - in my experience, anyway - vestments are professionally dry cleaned.

Are the beautiful decorations on some of them ironed on with glue?

Some of them, yes. The quality of the work can vary enormously.

Who attends to any stains, rips or tears or missing parts like beads or loops of embroidery?

At church there is usually an Alter guild that takes care of the alter and keeps it set up and clean.

Is there a vestment guild? is it only women or can men also do the sewing and cleaning and ironing?

Now you've reminded me of a story.

The first year I was ordained, the parish where I was also had a student; a young guy training to be ordained. He was a nice guy, but young and a bit sheltered and not always - ah - diplomatic.

Anyway... he bought himself a new alb. Very smart. And I complimented him on it, but commented in passing that I wouldn't have chosen that one myself, because it had many pleats and would be a pain to iron.

And he looked at me as if I'd grown another head and informed that he didn't intend to iron it, ironing stuff was women's work.

So I went to the priest in charge and asked didn't we have any altar linens or the like which needed ironing? (And he looked at me like I'd grown another head, because believe me, I wasn't generally volunteering for the ironing!) But when I explained why, he found some stuff that needed ironing and we set that student up in the vestry with an iron and ironing board for a lesson in humility. ^_^

Any potential clergyperson who thinks they're too good for the mundane and menial chores in the church needs that knocked right out of them, pronto.
 
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and are all the embroidery work there very time consuming and therefore costly?

Is that real gold thread being used?

Is there such thing as thread made out of actual gold?

I would say it is time consuming yes, but we have a local monastery that exclusively produces vestments. All Orthodox Clergy wear similar vestments as there is a standard.
 
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There is goldwork that's done with metal over cotton or silk. Extremely expensive, though, and I doubt many parishes would have that kind of quality of vestments.
 
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Speaking of vestments:


Go to around 7 min and watch until the Patriarch of Alexandria (guy in all gold and white) turns around. His Vestments are the most gorgeous I've ever seen.
 
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Not really my taste, to be honest. I'm of the school of liturgical aesthetics that thinks that sometimes, particularly when it comes to bling, less is more.... I'm guessing, though, that the palm tree motifs and the like have particular significance in his context?

(I also realise that the white/gold of feast days is hardest to do well in terms of bold visual statements which are tasteful).
 
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Although it is an option, it would be rare for Anglicans to use blue for Advent...

Blue is worn for advent at my church. Episcopalians - sometimes the exceptions, rather than the rule. :wave:
 
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It is interesting to read all of this about vestments - i.e. gowns and ... clothing. Uniforms, especially restricted to specific church "functionaries." (this is not meant to be disparaging!) Nor are my comments below intended to be critical or negative ... just informative of a different perspective.

I grew up in a "tradition" where no one in the congregation wore special clothing, by reason of his or her roll or position. (In fact many people in some of the churches I attened as a child, had difficulty putting together a full set of clothes without some item in tatters. Some types of garment were worn by both men and women.) In our tradition "in Christ there is neither male nor female, Greek or Jew, slave or free" but all are one in the Lord; leadership was shown through service. Of course, everyone had at least one gift, given by God for contributing to the growth and development of the Body of Christ. If attire of any sort was discussed, it was usually in terms of the armor of God, or being clothed in Christ, or in reference to our attire in the coming kingdom.

The special nature of this kind of christian community was specifically in that no one needed to be distinguished by his or her clothing when they came to church. To say that people didn't have different clothes would be false, and most of the women in fact covered their hair - but most of them did that outside of church also. My point is that no one wore special clothing by virtue of their position in the "church" - where, scriptually speaking, everyone is a priest, a saint, a royal child of the most high God, a brother or sister, and friend of Jesus the Firstborn. Another advantage of this system was that in times of persecution, the persecutors could not identify the "key" leaders by their attire, either in public or in their wardrobes at home. These types of congregations escaped much of the loss of leaders experienced in other denominations where attire exposed their formal church rolls.

Personally, I believe God, through Jesus, wanted to sanctify the ordinary things of life. He turned water to wine, His memory is in bread and wine - the ordinary food (in his time and place) of every meal. He wanted us to see and appreciate the "unseen" members of society, the Good Shepherd was attentive to the one lamb out of 100 animals who wandered off unnoticed, Jesus himself SAW the woman who came to Simon's house and washed his feet with her tears; it was him who SAW the man born blind (in John 9) - and what did he see? - the glory of God made manifest, not a man without sight because of sin. And so ordinary, everyday attire is totally OK, because it releases us of the anxiety of seeking to impress, or even meet some human standard of attire before God. He is more interested in our spiritual than our material attire.

I am aware that the special vestments of various office-bearers in some denominations are meant to speak to people. The colours and patterns, even the cut, has special meaning. But when I attend such churches, I must admit humbly, that instead of drawing my attention to some significant aspect of the person of Christ, the attire tends to distract me from him, and leads me to think of differences, of heirarchies, of personal positions, rather than of unity and one-ness in Christ. Perhaps it's just a matter of my upbringing ... and traditions that by nature I am hardly aware of. !
 
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So far, no one has mentioned the "Cope"; Lutheran Church Canada's former President (National Bishop) preaching at the installation of the LCMS President in the Chapel of St. Timothy and St. Titus at Concordia Sem. in St. Louis (BTW, this is the location of the exorcism upon which the movie "The Exorcist" is loosely based:

 
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I am aware that the special vestments of various office-bearers in some denominations are meant to speak to people. The colours and patterns, even the cut, has special meaning. But when I attend such churches, I must admit humbly, that instead of drawing my attention to some significant aspect of the person of Christ, the attire tends to distract me from him, and leads me to think of differences, of heirarchies, of personal positions, rather than of unity and one-ness in Christ. Perhaps it's just a matter of my upbringing ... and traditions that by nature I am hardly aware of. !

I used to feel very much the same. When I first went to a church where rich vesture was the norm, I hated it. I felt like a hypocrite, and I certainly didn't feel comfortable (especially when they put me in those vestments).

What helped me was to see that the meanings of the vestments were meant to be about all of us; the white robe of the alb represents the baptismal identity of all of us. The rich dalmatic of the deacon speaks of the beauty and dignity of those who are gospel-bearers to a lost world. The seamless garment of the chasuble speaks of the integrity of the Christian life. And so on.

I would still, given my personal choice, choose less rather than more. Perhaps an alb and a stole would be enough for my taste. But I've learned to see through a different set of lenses as well.
 
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for cold climates, do they ever have a fur stole or a fur lined alb or robe of some kind?

I have never seen anything like that. I do have a very heavy woolen cloak for winter (this sort of thing: Heavy weight melton clerical cloaks | clerical wear by J.Wippell & Co. ) which is typically what you'd wear for graveside prayers in the snow, or the like. I wear it a lot in winter, because I hate the cold.

But fur... no. Closest I have seen to that is some academic hoods trimmed with fur. But even that is pretty unusual.

what about vestments for horses when in a parade or special occasion?

No. Formal processions would typically be on foot, anyway.
 
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Yes, or for other occasions too.

For example, here we process through the local streets on Palm Sunday.

Or for big occasions; my diocese consecrated a new bishop on Saturday, and there would have been a huge procession for that (can't seem to find you any good pictures, but if you look at this at about 1 hour 10 minutes in, you can get some sense of the procession out at the end of the service).

Can't work out why they seem to have started the recording halfway through the sermon, though.
 
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for cold climates, do they ever have a fur stole or a fur lined alb or robe of some kind?
Having read a bit of history, certainly the climate in Northern Europe would be different than that in the middle east, and in other Christian Countries such as Egypt and Ethiopia. The vestments would reflect that in the days before heating and air-conditioning.
 
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Sadly, when churches from cold climates moved into warmer areas, they didn't always sensibly adapt their vestments... I have seen an ordinand faint at the altar rail in our summer heat!
 
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