Why evolution isn't scientific

[xianghua]

1. What mechanism caused us to share all these ERVs with the pig-like creature? The odds of sharing (and by sharing, I mean they are found in the same location of the genome) even 1 ERV is about 1 in a few million. Sharing 200,000+? Astronomical.

we can claim that these ervs come from a common ansector and then were deleted from the genome. explanation below:

2. You will need to explain how every ERV that we share with this pig-like creature, but don't ALSO share with primates, got systematically deleted in every species of primate on the planet

we can say that these ervs become harmful to these species so natural selection removed it from the genome of these species. another possibility is just to change the species phylogeny. so the pig like creature will be closer to human rather than chimp or gorila.

see how evolution can explain anything?

 

[pitabread]

another possibility is just to change the species phylogeny. so the pig like creature will be closer to human rather than chimp or gorila.

What? That makes no sense whatsoever.

see how evolution can explain anything?

All of your arguments appear based on a strawman version of evolution.

 

[xianghua]

No, it's not the same at all. When did the great apes evolve? And what did great apes evolve from? When did primates evolve? And what did primates evolve from?

base on the fossil record, the oldest primate fossil is about 60 my old. so if we will find a human with a dino we will need to push back human by about 65 my and primates by about 20. where do you see a problem for evolution?

 

[xianghua]

What? That makes no sense whatsoever.

so we cant change a species phylogeny? realy?

 

[pitabread]

base on the fossil record, the oldest primate fossil is about 60 my old. so if we will find a human with a dino we will need to push back human by about 65 my and primates by about 20. where do you see a problem for evolution?

You didn't answer all my questions. On top of that, you still haven't demonstrated you understood my previous post.

So I ask again:

When did the great apes evolve?
And what did great apes evolve from?
When did primates evolve?
And what did primates evolve from?

And also, please repeat back post #186 based on your understanding of it.

 

[pitabread]

so we cant change a species phylogeny? realy?

Not the way you apparently think you can.

 

[xianghua]

You didn't answer all my questions. On top of that, you still haven't demonstrated you understood my previous post.

So I ask again:

When did the great apes evolve?
And what did great apes evolve from?
When did primates evolve?
And what did primates evolve from?

And also, please repeat back post #186 based on your understanding of it.

you said that we cant push human back since we will need in this case to push back all primates species. so i showed you that its very easy to do so. just push back all primates species. where do you see a problem for evolution?

 

[46AND2]

we can claim that these ervs come from a common ansector and then were deleted from the genome. explanation below:

Then you must explain why ALL other animals share fewer ERVs than the pig-like creature, and try to fit it into a phylogeny...except it wouldn't fit anywhere. You can't put it as human's closest relative, cause then it would contradict morphology phylogeny. You can't fit it just below primates, because no other creature there comes close to matching the pig-like creature, and you can't put it near the pigs, cause even though it LOOKS like a pig, its genes don't.

There is literally nowhere it would fit.

 

[pitabread]

you said that we cant push human back since we will need in this case to push back all primates species. so i showed you that its very easy to do so. just push back all primates species. where do you see a problem for evolution?

You didn't answer all my questions. On top of that, you still haven't demonstrated you understood my previous post.

So I ask again:

When did the great apes evolve?
And what did great apes evolve from?
When did primates evolve?
And what did primates evolve from?

And also, please repeat back post #186 based on your understanding of it.

The discussion isn't going to continue until you are able to answer the above.

 

[xianghua]

When did the great apes evolve?
And what did great apes evolve from?
When did primates evolve?
And what did primates evolve from?

all of them were exist in a window of the last 60 my (base on fossils alone). how it has any connection to my point?

 

[pitabread]

all of them were exist in a window of the last 60 my (base on fossils alone). how it has any connection to my point?

You're still not answering the questions.

So I ask again:

When did the great apes evolve?
And what did great apes evolve from?
When did primates evolve?
And what did primates evolve from?

And also, please repeat back post #186 based on your understanding of it.

The discussion isn't going to continue until you are able to answer the above.

 

[DogmaHunter]

i already did it many times in this forum:

(image from https://microbeonline.com/bacterial...ortance-and-examples-of-flagellated-bacteria/)

or this one:

(image from Flagella and Cilia: Structure and Functions (With Diagram))

or this one:

(image from VCAC: Cellular Processes: ATP Synthase: Advanced Look: Synthesis)

or this:

(image from June Newsletter: Kinesin Motor Proteins and Neurodegeneration)

How does that prove or support creationism?

Aside from the argument from incredulity, that is.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Quantum physics doesn't say that.

Where does string theory say that? And when was it shown that string theory has anything to do with reality?

Neither QM nor string theory say anything at all about consciousness.

Deepak Chopra makes another victim.

 

[Kylie]

a scientific theory is a theory that we can test. mean it can be falsified. the problem with evolution is that it cant be test. for instance: some evolutionists (like dawkins and others) claiming that if we will find even a single out of place fossil- evolution will be false. but we actually found many such fossils like this one:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180801182438.htm

but as you can guess- they just push back the evolution of the creature and dont claim that evolution is false. the problem is that in this way any fossil will not falsify evolution. other evolutionists claimed that if we will find more shared ervs with far species than close species evolution will be false. but in this case they can just claim for convergent evolution or convergent loss or even ils. so even such a case will not be a problem for evolution, and therefore its not a scientific theory by definition. as a general note: english isnt my native so i may not understand some words here and there in general. thanks.

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

An out of place fossil would be something like a rabbit in the precambrian - a fossil showing features that are shown evolving in later species. (And no, that doesn't mean convergent evolution disproves evolution.)

This example fits in with evolution just fine.

Think of the fossil record as having a list of all the integers, but many are missing (the fossil record is not a complete record).

So you could have:

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3
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5
6
7
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11
12
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14
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16
17
18
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20

This find is the equivalent of finding a 1 or a 2.

 

[AV1611VET]

Think of the fossil record as having a list of all the integers, but many are missing (the fossil record is not a complete record).

Except you're expected to think one integer gave rise to another through procreation.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Except you're expected to think one integer gave rise to another through procreation.

Did your father never have that talk with you? Do you know where babies come from?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did your father never have that talk with you?

My father isn't a missing link.

Do you know where babies come from?

Did you know where adults* came from?

* Adam and Eve

 

[xianghua]

You're still not answering the questions.

So I ask again:

When did the great apes evolve?
And what did great apes evolve from?
When did primates evolve?
And what did primates evolve from?

And also, please repeat back post #186 based on your understanding of it.

The discussion isn't going to continue until you are able to answer the above.

ok. lets play in your game. answers:

1) about 15-30 my ago. depend how you define " great ape".
2) from other kind of monkeys.
3) about 60my ago.
4) from a primate-like creature?

now, can you tell us where is the limit of pushing back human fossils? it will be interesting to see your answer.

 

[xianghua]

You showed nothing of the sort.

maybe you missed this:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180801182438.htm

This is in a place they were never thought to roam and 15 million years earlier than this type of dinosaur was thought to exist.

 

[xianghua]

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

lets see about that:

An out of place fossil would be something like a rabbit in the precambrian - a fossil showing features that are shown evolving in later species. (And no, that doesn't mean convergent evolution disproves evolution.)

so if we will find a series of fossils like 12354 instead of 12345 evolution will be false because fossil number 5 is out of place and predate its previous form?