Unpardonable sins, very confusing

[Nathan Arnold]

I read Hebrews and when it was saying the call to preserve chapter I got confused I am questioning rather this is a false writer


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

 

[Nathan Arnold]

I heard that demons can still go to heaven cause what happens in Revelation is the future, and when they war with God they then get thrown out into hell

 

[Chinchilla]

I read Hebrews and when it was saying the call to preserve chapter I got confused I am questioning rather this is a false writer


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

Hebrews has nothing to do about salvation but dying sin unto death like couple who sinned against Paul and lied about keeping the money from selling house instead of sharing with church in need .

This Hebrews chapter was written to Jews who became Christians but because of Jewish persecution went back to or wanted to go back to doing sacrificed and to Judaism . Paul told them that Christ was the one sacrifice for all and that there is no more / anything more than this one and no need for others and they can't go back.

Hebrews 10:5-12

 

[Chinchilla]

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Matthew 18:3 Then he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Practice what you preach and sell everything including this pc to inherit eternal life :
Luke 18:18-23 King James Version (KJV)
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him ,Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

 

[Chinchilla]

So you say I read this as a normal person and get brainwashed by his teaching needing an explanation unlike any scripture?

Well I simply showed your logic is not coherent according to your view on Scriptures , you came yourself to that conclusion which is good .

 

[Nathan Arnold]

1 Corinthians 14:34 Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.

Where on earth does the law say women should not speak? These are the main two commandments

Mark 12:30-31
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." There is no commandment greater than these.”

 

[Hazelelponi]

I heard that demons can still go to heaven cause what happens in Revelation is the future, and when they war with God they then get thrown out into hell

Luke 10:17-18

He [Jesus] replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

 

[Greg J.]

I read Hebrews and when it was saying the call to preserve chapter I got confused I am questioning rather this is a false writer


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

The sin referred to is willful, that is, voluntary. A person cannot sin and be repentant of that sin at the same time. These are not references to a single point-in-time action, but the consequences of what is in a person's heart. If sin (which is a form of rejecting God) is OK for someone, then God is not their chosen Lord. Note that the prerequisite for that situation to arise at all is that the person has received (God has given) the person a full knowledge of the Truth, which we might read as "genuinely believe the Truth [but reject it]."

I heard that demons can still go to heaven cause what happens in Revelation is the future, and when they war with God they then get thrown out into hell

Try to ignore hearsay you "hear." Ask where such things are revealed in Scripture and/or read it yourself in the Bible.

The war between Satan and God took place at the point in time when Satan and his followers rejected God. They could no longer withstand God's presence and were thrown down to earth (some into chains of darkness until Judgment Day). None of them will ever desire God's forgiveness—sin transformed them completely. There is no longer any light in them whatsoever.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

Paul is the gentile Apostle. "As one born out of due season" Just as gentiles are grafted into the tree that the Jews were removed from because they refused to let go of law and accept grace.
Paul is showing what Jesus Christ fulfilled by dying on the cross. Forgiveness and acceptance through grace by faith.

Forgiveness only if you repent (change your mind) and stop doing it and trust God, that is your 'grace' the only grace is the mercy of God on the cross of Christ he took your place so you will not die in the fires of hell to be wiped out of existance

Isaiah 40:31

But those who trust in the Lord will find new strength.
They will soar high on wings like eagles.
They will run and not grow weary.
They will walk and not faint.

You are not under grace. The bible says to keep the commandments to keep God on your side

Revelation 14:12 God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

Isrealite means prevail with God

 

[Southernscotty]

Forgiveness only if you repent (change your mind) and stop doing it and trust God, that is your 'grace' the only grace is the mercy of God on the cross of Christ he took your place so you will not die in the fires of hell to be wiped out of existance

Isaiah 40:31

But those who trust in the Lord will find new strength.
They will soar high on wings like eagles.
They will run and not grow weary.
They will walk and not faint.

You are not under grace. The bible says to keep the commandments to keep God on your side

Revelation 14:12 God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

You can't keep the ten commandments perfectly and neither can anyone else that is why we need a Saviour friend. We didn't need someone to compartmentalize our sins, We needed someone to take them away at the root. Christ Jesus done this at the cross!! He fulfilled all the law and profits and gives us two. Love God with all of your heart and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. Love is the fulfilment

 

[Southernscotty]

Forgiveness only if you repent (change your mind) and stop doing it and trust God, that is your 'grace' the only grace is the mercy of God on the cross of Christ he took your place so you will not die in the fires of hell to be wiped out of existance

Isaiah 40:31

But those who trust in the Lord will find new strength.
They will soar high on wings like eagles.
They will run and not grow weary.
They will walk and not faint.

You are not under grace. The bible says to keep the commandments to keep God on your side

Revelation 14:12 God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

This is not correct. Jesus is our propitiation for our sins. The only perfect blemish free sacrifice and if you do not give fully unto His grace, Then you are doing a works based salvation and are not saved.

 

[redleghunter]

Forgiveness only if you repent (change your mind) and stop doing it and trust God, that is your 'grace' the only grace is the mercy of God on the cross of Christ he took your place so you will not die in the fires of hell to be wiped out of existance

Isaiah 40:31

But those who trust in the Lord will find new strength.
They will soar high on wings like eagles.
They will run and not grow weary.
They will walk and not faint.

You are not under grace. The bible says to keep the commandments to keep God on your side

Revelation 14:12 God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

Trust in Christ always comes first. If there is no trust how will one be able to repent aka change their ways?

It is the very gift of Grace which changes us or regenerates. It is the new creation which enables obedience by walking in the Spirit which indwells us.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I read Hebrews and when it was saying the call to preserve chapter I got confused I am questioning rather this is a false writer


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

It simply means that it's possible to apostatize - to turn away from faith purposely. And that it puts someone in a very bad position to do so.

 

[hedrick]

I read Hebrews and when it was saying the call to preserve chapter I got confused I am questioning rather this is a false writer


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

First, Hebrews doesn't claim to be from Paul and almost certainly isn't. But that doesn't make the writer false.

Now, what does it mean. Several translations say "willfully persist in sin," based on the Greek syntax. The commentaries I checked agree.

In my opinion when Paul speaks of justification by faith, what he means by faith is your basic orientation. It's equivalent to Jesus' concept of being a follower. It's not a specific work, and it's not earned by good behavior, but it does show itself in your actions. Hebrews isn't talking about anyone who sins. It's talking about an attitude that is opposed to faith and being a follower of Jesus, someone who rejects God's will and thus is opposed to him.

So saying that someone who willfully persists in sin isn't a follower of Jesus is consistent both with Jesus' teachings and Paul's.

 

[SkyWriting]

Unpardonable sins, very confusing

You can not be forgiven any sins if you refuse
to acknowledge that you need forgiveness.

The only unforgivable sin is refusing forgiveness.
This is the sin that ends in death.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

You can't keep the ten commandments perfectly and neither can anyone else that is why we need a Saviour friend. We didn't need someone to compartmentalize our sins, We needed someone to take them away at the root. Christ Jesus done this at the cross!! He fulfilled all the law and profits and gives us two. Love God with all of your heart and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. Love is the fulfilment

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

This is not correct. Jesus is our propitiation for our sins. The only perfect blemish free sacrifice and if you do not give fully unto His grace, Then you are doing a works based salvation and are not saved.

Ezekiel 33:11 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will you die.

Luke 13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Matthew 10:37 He who loves father or mother above me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter above me is not worthy of me.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

What makes you think this is a "false writer"?

First he says that backsliding means you wont be forgiven which contradicts scripture then I figured it out, these people are basically atheist

 

[~Anastasia~]

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

This does not imply sinless perfection.

We may certainly progress to a point where we don't overtly break laws. But "sin" is "missing the mark" ... falling short of Christ Himself. And we all fall short of Christ, all the time.

The "perfect" here has to do with growing up, being mature, in our case being transformed to be like Christ. It doesn't relate to breaking laws.

First he says that backsliding means you wont be forgiven which contradicts scripture then I figured it out, these people are basically atheist

The question is whether or not you believe apostasy is possible. I know some don't believe that. But the early Church understood that it was (God doesn't usurp our free will once we believe in Him). He will in no wise cast us away - but that doesn't mean we are not free to leave if we turn aside to the world instead, God forbid. If we do, we run a great risk.

No part of the Holy Scriptures are false. Any time our reading seems to suggest they are, we may be sure it is our reading that is in in error, not the Scriptures.