Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"


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Zechariah 9:9 (NKJV): The Coming King
9 “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.

This is when messiah the prince is introduced to jerusalem, fulfilling dan 9 and finishing the 69th week

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There are many Old Testament prophecies which were fufilled during the earthly ministry of Christ.


Joh 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Joh 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Joh 19:32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him.
Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."


He was "cut off" "after" the 69 weeks.
If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 weeks it will not be painted until the 70th week, or later.


Dan 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

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No I am not. John was baptizing prior to the baptism of Jesus. John baptized Jesus and that was the start of the 70th week of the 70 week prophecy in 27 AD
If John started baptizing before Jesus, how do you then know that Jesus was baptized in 27 AD?
 
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There are many Old Testament prophecies which were fufilled during the earthly ministry of Christ.


Joh 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Joh 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Joh 19:32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him.
Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."


He was "cut off" "after" the 69 weeks.
If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 weeks it will not be painted until the 70th week, or later.


Dan 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

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Yet only 1 prophesy said messiah will come in this way. And it was fulfilled,

Even jesus said to those he say, oh jerusalem jerusalem, if you had only known this day, but now it has been hidden from you.

The day he was referring is the day messiah the prince was come.

He was cut off 7 days later, which fits the timeline,, “after” literally at the end, or when this is finished, messiah is cut off.
 
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There are many Old Testament prophecies which were fufilled during the earthly ministry of Christ.


Joh 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Good point.
Isn't both His death and resurrection shown in Revelation?

BIRTH


Luke 2:
7 and she gave birth to her Firstborn, a Son.
She wrapped Him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.[Revelation 12:5?]

John 17:11
And not still I-am in the world, and these in the world are,
and I toward/proV <4314> Thee am coming......[Revelation 12:5]


Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, a male, Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in rod/staff, iron.
And is caught-away the Child of her toward<4314> the God, and toward the throne of Him. [John 7:11


DEATH AND RESURRECTION

John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!"

And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Revelation 1:18
and the living One! And I became dead and behold! I am living into the ages of the ages.

And I am having the keys of the Hades and of the Death.
 
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In actual fact, the 15th year of Tiberius, counting from 12AD, is 26 AD.

Jesus was born 2BC, ( see this excellent study regarding when Jesus was born, the rest is a bit meh- https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/secrets-of-time/chapter-9-the-birth-of-jesus/)

So he was 30 towards the end of 29BC.

I suspect that John ministered 3.5 years, as per Elijah's drought, from 26 -30BC, whereupon Jesus began his ministry.

Matthew 3:16
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
 
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I started reading Bryan T. Huie's site some years back, but mainly concerning his commentary on Luke 16's parable/story of the Rich man and Lazarus, which I mainly view as dead on accurate.

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell........................

Then I recently started looking at some of his Daniel prophecies commentaries and came across his 70 week chart.

I will just show parts of it from the birth of Jesus to 70ad.
[Does anyone else know of a site where one can see a chart of the 70 weeks?]

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=All&id=75


http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Daniel-70-Weeks-Chart
DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS OF YEARS (490 YEARS)


70 Weeks-490 Years
(7 Weeks-49 Years)
(62 Weeks-434 Years)
(1 Week-7 Years)


Jewish year: 3757 Roman year 5/4 BCE

Yeshua born during Sukkot; Herod dies about six months later, just before Passover (Josephus, Ant., 17.8.1; Wars of the Jews, 1.33.8)

Jewish year: 3769 Roman year: 8/9 CE

Yeshua listens to teachers in Temple during Passover (Luke 2:41-51) 12 yrs old

Jewish year: 3773 Roman year: 12/13 CE

Tiberius begins his co-rule with Augustus Caesar on October 23, 12 CE

Jewish year: 3787 Roman year: 26/27 CE


46 years since Temple renovation began (John 2:20); Yeshua "about 30 years of age" (Luke 3:23); 15th year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1)

Jewish year: 3790 Roman year: 29/30 CE

Yeshua died on Wednesday, 14 Nisan (April 3, 30 CE), at the exact time Passover lambs were being slain in the Temple (Josephus, War, 6.9.3)

Jewish year: 3830 Roman year: 69/70 CE


Herod's Temple destroyed on 9 Av (August 4, 70 CE on the Julian calendar) by the Romans. The Babylonian Talmud records that for 40 years before the Temple was destroyed, the following things happened: The lots for the Yom Kippur goats ceased to be supernaturally determined; the crimson thread tied to the Azazel goat's horn (which had before supernaturally changed to white to show God's forgiveness) remained red; the western candle in the menorah in the Temple sanctuary would not burn continually; and the doors of the Temple would open by themselves (Yoma 39:b).

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)
 
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When I get my Mac running I'll do you the correct chart if you want.

The Holford piece is long, but I suspect that, along with the great
Matthew Henry, he understands that the 70th week was the destruction of Judea. Not that recherche an idea really, but one lost in the voluminous folds of modern
Eschatology.
 
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When I get my Mac running I'll do you the correct chart if you want.

The Holford piece is long, but I suspect that, along with the great
Matthey Henry, he understans that the 70th week was the destruction of Judea. Not that recherche an idea really, but one lost in the voluminous folds of modern
Eschatology.
That would be great......Thks
I did a google search and will probably peruse some of the sites listed.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dan...0x4HdAhWM1IMKHTVWCGQQBQgmKAA&biw=1366&bih=603
 
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I'll try and take this on for the time being. Maybe I can try and address some of your other points at a later time, but no promises though.

Here's an article I found that can explain my position better than I can. It's not a lengthy article if you care to read it. I know very little about this site, so not endorsing it one way or the other. Only providing an article I found via searching Google that tends to explain some of my position better than I could. You have two choices. Either you can consider some of these things or you can choose to be closed-minded about some of these things instead. Your choice.

Here is an excerpt towards the end of the article----

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Since Daniel’s prophecy directly quotes the words of the angel Gabriel, is it wise to assume that the sanctuary in verse 26 is a temple made with human hands, one that was merely a shadow and a type of the real one? The tabernacle in the wilderness was made according to the pattern of heavenly things. [Hebrews 8:1-6] Similarly, the temple of Solomon, and the temple of Zerubbabel, built after the Jews returned from exile, were built after the same pattern, and so were “shadows” of things heavenly, and spiritual. What sanctuary, then, is meant in the message of the angel in Daniel’s prophecy?

In the angel’s words, “after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself,” for whom was he cut off? Isaiah wrote: “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.” [Isaiah 53:5]

The New Testament identifies both the “city” and the “sanctuary,” (or temple) with the church, those for whom Christ was cut off. In verse 26, where the “city” and the “sanctuary” are destroyed by the people of the prince that shall come. This must refer to the real sanctuary, rather than its type, or shadow. Applying the words of the angel to the shadow misses the true significance of the prophecy. Why would an angel of God have been sent to reveal the future destruction of a mere shadow, or a type, that in Daniel’s time had not yet been built? The real sanctuary is the church.

Daniel said of the prince, who opposes the Prince of princes, “And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.” [Daniel 8:25]

The saints are the “sanctuary” described in Daniel’s prophecy. The Jewish temple, made with hands, was destroyed in 70 AD, but no flood was involved. Its destruction has obscured the significance of Daniel’s prophecy. The desolation of the church, however, has an immense significance for our understanding of the gospel and the history of church.

Each of the things that were to be accomplished within the 70 weeks, mentioned in verse 24, pertain to the gospel. This fits the view that the temple and city that Daniels’ 70 weeks apply to is the church, of which the earthly city and temple were types and figures. The atonement and forgiveness of sin, bringing in of everlasting righteousness, etc., are accomplished in the last week, after the coming of the Messiah. Auberlen recognized that everything mentioned in this verse have to do with the gospel. He wrote: [5]

https://creationconcept.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/which-temple-is-meant-in-daniel-926-27/
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BTW, I just found this article. So I didn't form my understanding because of this article, but that this article tends to explain my understanding of some of these things better than I could.

To add to the above, there is also the following to consider. The following is solely my attempt at trying to explain my understanding of some of these things.

Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.


If the city is perhaps meaning the holy people, this text indicates this---and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

The Hebrew word is shachath. It is found in 4 passages in the book of Daniel. In the first passage below it was translated 'corrupting'. The others it was translated 'destroy'.

Daniel 11:17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.

Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Destroy doesn't have to always mean as in the demolation of literal buildings, even when it seems to be meaning that---as in Daniel 9:26b.


Isaiah 62:10 Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.
11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

This passage says---And they shall call them, The holy people---A city not forsaken.


BTW as well, this doesn't mean I necessarily fully agree with every single thing per the article above. But I do agree with most of it anyway, for the most part.

Thanks for providing this. I do appreciate it. It was an interesting read. I still do disagree though and I'll explain why:

1.) the 70 'sevens' prophecy is directed towards Daniel's people (Israel) and Daniel's city (Jerusalem).

Daniel 9:24 Seventy ‘sevens’c are decreed for your people and your holy city d
2.) the 70 'sevens' prophecy discusses the end
Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed
3.) Jesus associates the end of the age with the destruction of physical Jerusalem and the physical temple
Matthew 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Matthew 24:15 So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Matthew 24:21 then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be
4.) There are only 2 Jerusalems. The earthly one and the heavenly one. I know of no other scripture that states the heavenly one will ever be destroyed. There are, however, multiple scriptures that discuss the earthly Jerusalem being destroyed.
Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
Luke 19:44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city
Revelation 17:16-17 16And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
 
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Thanks for providing this. I do appreciate it. It was an interesting read. I still do disagree though and I'll explain why:

1.) the 70 'sevens' prophecy is directed towards Daniel's people (Israel) and Daniel's city (Jerusalem).

Daniel 9:24 Seventy ‘sevens’c are decreed for your people and your holy city d
2.) the 70 'sevens' prophecy discusses the end
Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed
3.) Jesus associates the end of the age with the destruction of physical Jerusalem and the physical temple
Matthew 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Matthew 24:15 So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Matthew 24:21 then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be
4.) There are only 2 Jerusalems. The earthly one and the heavenly one. I know of no other scripture that states the heavenly one will ever be destroyed. There are, however, multiple scriptures that discuss the earthly Jerusalem being destroyed.
Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
Luke 19:44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city
Revelation 17:16-17 16And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
There are some that view Luke's Gospel as separate from Matt and Mar.
Have you looked thru this thread with shows similarities between Luke and Revelation?

Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10

Translations appear to be a big factor in some interpretations so I prefer going to the greek and hebrew texts myself.

For example, look at this greek word #3625:


3625. oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.

Matthew 24:14
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625> as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come.

Luke 21:26
“men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming upon the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>,
for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

3 times in Revelation:

Revelation 3:10
‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you out of the hour of that trial which is about to be coming upon the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>,
to try those who dwell on the land.

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[fn] of the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


 
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All of the evidence for a "gap" in the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 is found below.
























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^_^ ^_^
I had coke in my mouth when I saw that. Still wiping it off my monitor screen LOL
 
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He was cut off 7 days later, which fits the timeline,, “after” literally at the end, or when this is finished, messiah is cut off.

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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All of the evidence for a "gap" in the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 is found below. .
You ignore two facts:
There has been a gap of nearly 2000 years since Jesus' first Advent. As prophesied: Hosea 6:2, Luke 13:32
The final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy simply does not fit in the 1st century. But it does; as two halves in Revelation.

The last seven years of this age, will commence with the signing of a peace agreement between the leader of the One World Govt and the leaders of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, who will occupy all of the holy Land.
 
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^_^ ^_^
I had coke in my mouth when I saw that. Still wiping it off my monitor screen LOL


But that can backfire on him though, lol. Technically any post below that post would qualify as below. Any posts below that one then, that are arguing for a gap, must be the proof below he was meaning, apparently.

Not to worry though, I did fully grasp what he was really meaning by that post. But still---technically though------
 
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You ignore two facts:
There has been a gap of nearly 2000 years since Jesus' first Advent. As prophesied: Hosea 6:2, Luke 13:32
The final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy simply does not fit in the 1st century. But it does; as two halves in Revelation.

The last seven years of this age, will commence with the signing of a peace agreement between the leader of the One World Govt and the leaders of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, who will occupy all of the holy Land.


I do agree with your first paragraph. Not certain about the 2nd paragraph though. I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just that I don't know whether you are right or not. You very well could be, but then maybe not either. And since I don't know for certain either way, the best bet is to only agree with what I feel certain you are correct about.
 
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The 70 "weeks" [490 years] was part of a larger time-frame......the 2300 "days" in Daniel 8:14
4 And he answered him, ‘For two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state


Also...from what I understand....Hebrew writing is often organized in a chiastic structure
This is an example of a chiastic structure:

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.....it's (Hebrew literature, I mean) rarely -if ever- written in sequential order. From what I'm reading about chiasms....Daniel 9 chiastic structure is like this:

* a. Messiah destroyed
* b. Sanctuary destroyed
* b1. Sacrifice terminated
* a1. Ruler destroyed

From this link ----->
Verse 27 has an additional chiasm: “he—week—week—he,” again emphasizing the role of the Messiah. It can thus be said that the destruction of the Messiah caused "the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." The Messiah would also confirm His covenant with God’s people by His sacrificial death “in the midst of the week.”

John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, and Isaac Newton all connect the 70th week with the Messiah. When Christ cried “It is finished,” the priests were officiating in the temple. It was the hour of the evening sacrifice, and as the Passover lamb representing Christ was about to be slain, “the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake and the rocks rent” (Matthew 27:51).

After Christ died, rose again, and ascended to heaven, there were still 3 ½ day-years remaining in the prophecy. These ended in 34 AD with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7:59-8:4). At that time the Gospel was given to the Gentiles by individual ambassadors from every nation. Paul, the very one who consented to the stoning of Stephen, became the apostle to the Gentile world. Israel ceased to be the recipient and channel of God’s truth. ~ http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_Jesus_70-week_prophecy_Daniel


 
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The final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy simply does not fit in the 1st century.

They fit for the vast majority of every other believer for over 1,800 years.

How are you and they different?
 
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From command restore jerusalem until messiah shall be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks

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Nehemiah 2: 1 - 20th year of king artexerxes month of Nisan

King artexerxes reign began in 465 BC

465 - 20 = month of nisan 445 bc

7 + 62 weeks = 69 weeks of sabbath years 69 x 7 = 483 years

Hebrews used 360 day lunar year

483 years x 360 days = 173880 days

Convert to roman which has 365 day year

173880/365 = 476 years

From command to restor to messiah = 476 years

445 + 476 = 31 Ad

Add 1 year (no year zero) = 32 Ad

Command to restor to messiah (messiah enters) 32 Ad

Messiah entered jerusalem on donkey passion week 32 Ad,

After 69 week, messiah cut off but not for self
 
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