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Do you think that using pornography is equal to cheating?

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Disagree.

One of the Kinsey reports said that girls of the age 2 (toddlers) could have full blown adult strength [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

Are THEY envisioning having sex with a man? I seriously doubt it.

Were these toddlers shown Porn, when they had an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], if not then the report is moot in relation to the OP.

New born female babies have periods also, does that mean they are ready to have children?
 
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We don't need to agree. But there are many instances where he reveals the spirit behind the letter or the intent of the law. For example, is it only murder when you kill another with intent? No, to hate your brother is to have already killed him. See, the same type of scenario he gave with adultery. The point Jon, is simple... he is revealing why we need the law written on our hearts. I can show you where God gave Israel the Torah and commanded them to keep it on their own hearts. They failed, we fail... and as part of the covenant we are part of, God will write the law Himself where we couldn't keep it... on our minds and hearts. That work has begun, it will be completed when HE comes, and when that work is done, we will be incorruptible, unable to sin again. That is the point he was sharing... no matter how well we obey, the heart will still betray us.

I don't think we are fundamentally disagreeing. I think it is sinful to lust after women in the street after all. And I agree that Jesus' point was that the law should be written on our hearts and the intent to sin already condemns us. My point was simply that I disagree that this verse is saying it is sinful to look at women lustfully in the street. It is saying it is sinful to intend to steal away another man's wife, which is quite different. (And I think the example of the 10th commandment He uses is just an example - He could have made the same point using any of the other commandments.)
 
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Were these toddlers shown Porn, when they had an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], if not then the report is moot in relation to the OP.

New born female babies have periods also, does that mean they are ready to have children?

I think the point here is that is it not necessary to experience lust in order to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. An [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] can be purely a reaction to physical stimulation. So it is not sinful to procreate if one can keep oneself dispassionate and free from lust while having intercourse with the intent of procreation.
 
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I post on a marriage forum, and one of the questions recently came up about porn use. Mainly these threads are geared towards men viewing porn, but there are a lot of women who view porn, also. I personally wouldn't view it as cheating, unless...there were live interactions, and/or a personal relationship ensued from interaction through webcam porn, or something. That said, I don't believe that this is something that ''all'' men struggle with, but our society would make it sound like women should just accept men doing this, and get over it. lol Really demeans men, doesn't it?

But, back to what I was saying, there are women who view porn...and so my question is to the men here...if your wife was privately viewing porn, and leaving you out of it, and ''taking care of herself'' without you around...would you view it as cheating? Would it bother you?

I hope this ends up making sense.

My wife has told me in no uncertain terms that she would view it as cheating, and I agree with her. I get it. Because of my porn addicted past, I pray that she never will get into porn - because for me, it would possibly pull me back in (on top of all the many sin and ethical issues attached to porn) as the Lord used her as such a motivation to stop. However, I would be less devastated if she said 'Chris, I'm sorry, I watched porn' than if it was 'I cheated on you' - because (if it didn't go the sin route) that's something I know how to work on in staying away from, physical in person/with a person on cam/over text cheating though, that's a whole other ballpark. To porn, I'd like to think my immediate response would be support and prayer - to cheating, I know it wouldn't be, and it probably wouldn't be a good response.

I'd never ever recommend a couple or an individual to indulge porn together or apart. It violates the marriage bed and brings others in, violates black and white sexual sin issues, and can lead others down a very sinful path that just isn't worth it. (One type leads to another, leads to another, leads to another, possibly leading to talking/camming/etc. I cannot list examples here from my personal struggle, so if you would like clarification, feel free to pm).

If sexually explicit material is something you both think you'd enjoy, then heck, write your own stories featuring you and your spouse for you and your spouse, get private apps (they exist) where you can send your spouse a 'spicy' text or pic or vid (or whatever), or you could keep in on your private laptop to show them when they get home - and then they can [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] to it all they please (if you're okay with solo masturbation in your marriage). We live in a digital age which has made options for sexual intimacy with your spouse a lot more plentiful - so do that, and don't go to something that involves anyone else.

Heck, we live in an age where we can talk about sex and realise 'this one isn't black and white, this will lead to sin for you so don't do it, but it doesn't for us and my wife and I love it'.

Be open and communicative with your spouse about your thoughts and fetishes, get those out, don't dwell on them so they become a porn temptation. Pray over them, and hopefully you both will enjoy them.

Hope this made sense.
 
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I think the point here is that is it not necessary to experience lust in order to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. An [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] can be purely a reaction to physical stimulation. So it is not sinful to procreate if one can keep oneself dispassionate and free from lust while having intercourse with the intent of procreation.

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This was a straw man argument brought in to the discussion by someone else, I was merely demonstrating that other physiological things happen to newborns as well.

Babies having [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] does not fall into the scope of the questions asked by the OP, the discussion is centered around Porn, and a married person, man or woman, watching porn and being aroused without their marriage partner.

Is It Cheating?
 
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Betrayal is like beauty. It is in the eye of the beholder.

If your partner views pornography as cheating, it's cheating no matter what you (or CF forums members) think.
 
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Betrayal is like beauty. It is in the eye of the beholder.

If your partner views pornography as cheating, it's cheating no matter what you (or CF forums members) think.

That's a good answer and I agree with you but, that is not how the original question was posed by the OP. as shown below.

But, back to what I was saying, there are women who view porn...and so my question is to the men here...if your wife was privately viewing porn, and leaving you out of it, and ''taking care of herself'' without you around...would you view it as cheating? Would it bother you?

You see, it isn't a matter of how your partner views it, it's simply, is viewing Porn without you partners knowledge cheating?
 
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You see, it isn't a matter of how your partner views it, it's simply, is viewing Porn without you partners knowledge cheating?

It's still a matter of what the partner's perspective is or would be, isn't it? I've worked with a lot of couples where the porn issue was in play to one degree or another. In my experience, responses are quite varied. Some partners become incensed by the betrayal, see it as cheating, and see it as no different than a physical affair. Some don't get their feathers all ruffled over it. Some watch it together.

I'm a big believer in having rules in a relationship. Rules are to be discussed, negotiated, and agreed upon. So as the question was asked in the OP, my response would be if you don't know because your partner has no knowledge, ask your partner and find out.
 
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You see, it isn't a matter of how your partner views it, it's simply, is viewing Porn without you partners knowledge cheating?

I don't think it is, unless it gets personal, like with a live web cam person, or something. Where a personal connection is being made. The irony of your question though is, porn viewing is usually something hidden by spouses from the other, so on some level, they must feel guilty about viewing it. It's not like a husband says at the dinner table, ''hey babe, you know what I did today? I looked at porn on my lunch break. Pass the salt.'' It seems to be something hidden, because on some level, most people know it might hurt their marriage. I hadn't really thought that through until you posted that question, hmm.
 
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...It seems to be something hidden, because on some level, most people know it might hurt their marriage. I hadn't really thought that through until you posted that question, hmm.

That is one possible explanation. I think another is shame they experience when they do something that goes against their own value system. Their own values say the behavior is wrong (although they do it) so they hide because they believe others will judge it as wrong because they do. Their conscience speaks.

You are who you are when no one is looking.
 
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That is one possible explanation. I think another is shame they experience when they do something that goes against their own value system. Their own values say the behavior is wrong (although they do it) so they hide because they believe others will judge it as wrong because they do. Their conscience speaks.

You are who you are when no one is looking.
The thing is, not everyone follows any type of of faith, many people simply do as they wish, and feel that porn doesn't hurt anyone. What many don't realize is, a lot of porn is a product of human trafficking. I know many guys like to think all strippers and women in porn really really want to be there, but a lot are on drugs, or are forced into it. Not all, but many.

I've seen a few documentaries on it, and it's not exactly anyone's childhood dream to become a porn star. Something pretty messed up probably led them there.
 
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I think the point here is that is it not necessary to experience lust in order to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. An [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] can be purely a reaction to physical stimulation. So it is not sinful to procreate if one can keep oneself dispassionate and free from lust while having intercourse with the intent of procreation.
Hmm. I don't believe though, that the only time a married couple should have sex is with the intent to procreate.
 
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One doesn't have to be a person of faith to have a value system and a conscience. Atheists also have their own values of what is right and wrong. Guilt comes whenever we violate our own value system, however that value system is determined or defined.
 
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I don't think it is, unless it gets personal, like with a live web cam person, or something. Where a personal connection is being made. The irony of your question though is, porn viewing is usually something hidden by spouses from the other, so on some level, they must feel guilty about viewing it. It's not like a husband says at the dinner table, ''hey babe, you know what I did today? I looked at porn on my lunch break. Pass the salt.'' It seems to be something hidden, because on some level, most people know it might hurt their marriage. I hadn't really thought that through until you posted that question, hmm.

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My belief on the matter is, it's a Moral and (Ethical) issue.

As Christians, is our Moral/Ethical compass set to only do the right things because someone knows about it, or are we Morally/Ethically correct even when no body knows?

Is it Morally correct to do something like watch Porn, and have a Climax, without our Spouse knowing about it, if it is why?

Is it Ethically correct to do something like watch Porn, and have a Climax, without our Spouse knowing about it, if not why hide it?

The point being, are we Christians only when others know what were doing?
 
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I post on a marriage forum, and one of the questions recently came up about porn use. Mainly these threads are geared towards men viewing porn, but there are a lot of women who view porn, also. I personally wouldn't view it as cheating, unless...there were live interactions, and/or a personal relationship ensued from interaction through webcam porn, or something. That said, I don't believe that this is something that ''all'' men struggle with, but our society would make it sound like women should just accept men doing this, and get over it. lol Really demeans men, doesn't it?

But, back to what I was saying, there are women who view porn...and so my question is to the men here...if your wife was privately viewing porn, and leaving you out of it, and ''taking care of herself'' without you around...would you view it as cheating? Would it bother you?

I'm a woman so I don't really qualify to answer but I'd like to anyway because I feel I have something to add...

First, it's the lust aspect of any porn which makes it sinful because it's not normally your spouse your lusting after. Lust is only bad when it travels outside the marriage.. so there shouldn't be anything against keeping it all at home, regardless of whose needs they are..we can't always be on the exact same page at the exact same time..

Just have to communicate and compromise...
 
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I'm a woman so I don't really qualify to answer but I'd like to anyway because I feel I have something to add...

First, it's the lust aspect of any porn which makes it sinful because it's not normally your spouse your lusting after. Lust is only bad when it travels outside the marriage.. so there shouldn't be anything against keeping it all at home, regardless of whose needs they are..we can't always be on the exact same page at the exact same time..

Just have to communicate and compromise...
Love your reply. I don't know if I've ever heard it said like that, so I appreciate your post.
 
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I disagree. Lust is always sinful.

I don't mean this in a way that misconstrues your words, so, could you clarify? Ie - having those sexual thoughts that for anyone but our spouse we'd call lust...but for your spouse, is that bad in your opinion?
 
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I disagree. Lust is always sinful.
Why? By definition, it simply means ''to have a strong sexual desire for someone.'' That's not sinful, if it's for your spouse.
 
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