God's creation Timeline refutes evolution

[Aman777]

Scholars have consistently placed the ark on a mountain.

Think about it. IF God is all knowing, then WHY would He put a 450 ft boat on a mountain. You insult His intelligence. Also, can you tell us WHY Noah stayed on the Ark for months AFTER he knew the ground was dry? It was in January and February that you think Noah stayed in the Ark in the mountains. Doesn't compute. Does it?

 

[RealityCheck01]

I'm so happy you are here since you can tell us How and When mindless Nature changed prehistoric creatures into Humans (descendants of Adam)

Yet another ignorant fantasy. I am not here to explain well known science available in textbooks and even Wikipedia: Human evolution
17 August 2018 Aman777: Abysmal ignorance about evolution: evolutionary mechanisms causes speciation that we have observed, no "kinds" in evolution.

 

[Aman777]

17 August 2018 Aman777: An idiotic, irrelevant raven question ansered in Genesis 8:7 which he quotes!

How long did it take for 5 miles of water to drain off the Earth and where did it go and why didn't it leave the water in Space? The raven flew to the shore of the Lake and not to the top of a mountain. In December? In the mountains? LOL

 

[Aman777]

You know, it may be odd, but I actually find your ideas refreshing compared to the flat earth kookiness. At least they don't rely on denying every obvious line of evidence, including experiments you can perform in your own free time.

Thanks but remember the Dolly Parton view. IF you believe something, stand up and then duck. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

17 August 2018 Aman777: Lies about the Hebrew in Genesis 1:1
Genesis creation narrative
"Heaven and the Earth" in Hebrew means everything.

Amen. Adam's heaven and earth were made the 2nd Gen 1:8 AND 3rd Days. Gen 2:4 The present Heaven and the 3rd Heaven ll Cor 12:2 were made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

Adam's Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6
The present Heaven will be burned. ll Peter 3:10
Aren't you glad that God made 3 Heavens?

 

[Aman777]

Yet another ignorant fantasy. I am not here to explain well known science available in textbooks and even Wikipedia: Human evolution
17 August 2018 Aman777: Abysmal ignorance about evolution: evolutionary mechanisms causes speciation that we have observed, no "kinds" in evolution.

Please tell us how to repeat the change from animal to Human intelligence. Be specific and tell us the process which you think did not happen in the birth canal, but by magical evolution. Un-repeatable science is fake science. Amen?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Think about it. IF God is all knowing...

17 August 2018 Aman777: "Think about it. IF God is all knowing..." gibberish.
An all-knowing God has nothing to do with where he selected to put the ark.
As much relevance as this gibberish: "Think about it. IF God is all knowing, then WHY would He put a 450 ft boat on a lake and lie by omission in the Bible? You insult His intelligence and honesty."

A more relevant question would be
17 August 2018 Aman777: If God is all-powerful then what stopped Him from putting an 450ft boat on a mountain?
Your imagination?

17 August 2018 Aman777: An ignorant "Why Noah stayed on the Ark for months AFTER he knew the ground was dry?" question.
Noah stayed on the Ark while the earth dried until God tells him to leave.
Genesis 8:13. Noah saw "the face of the ground was dried" after he removes the ark's covering.
Genesis 8:14. Almost 2 months later the earth was dry.
Genesis 8:16. God tells Noah and his family to leave the ark.
Genesis 8:17. And take the animals.

17 August 2018 Aman777: A definite "January and February that you think Noah stayed in the Ark" lie since I have never said that.
This is the Hebrew calendar. Months are identified by number not name in the Bible. The first month (aviv) is spring in other sources.
I think that there is no empirical evidence supporting your fantasy version of the flood story and so there was no landing or exist in any month.

 

[RealityCheck01]

17 August 2018 Aman777: Lies about the Hebrew in Genesis 1:1

 

[Aman777]

17 August 2018 Aman777: Lies about the Hebrew in Genesis 1:1
Genesis creation narrative
"Heaven and the Earth" in Hebrew means everything., etc.

False since Heaven is what God called Adam's firmament in Genesis 1:8.
Earth means ground, land, soil etc.

Looks like someone is telling us Falsehoods about Genesis 1:1. Wonder WHY?

 

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

Nothing personal but all of your views are Un-Scriptural.

More like 23 Billion years ago when God the invisible Spirit spoke and YHWH/Jesus came forth from the Father into the physical world. Jesus is that Light.

They're not! The very scriptures you're claiming to believe say exactly how long each ancestor was before they begot their sons! Adding them up gives an age of approximately 6,000 to 7,000 years for the universe! Seems like you're compromising your belief in the Bible with questionable radiometric dates.

This was AFTER He made other "Heavens", the present Heaven and the 3rd Heaven of 2 Cor 12:2. Science confirms that it was millions of years in man's time, from the beginning of our cosmos until the first Stars appeared.

Perhaps, IF the rates of change haven't ever changed since the beginning of the universe, millions of years MIGHT be a decent estimate. But there is no guarantee they haven't.

You forgot that God also created and brought forth from WATER, "every living creature that moveth". Gen 1:21

I wrote that God created the fish on day 5. The Bible does not say that God brought forth FROM WATER anything; it just says he "created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded."

Furthermore, it does not say that God ever "created" water; it just says he gathered the waters under the heavens together into one place: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said, 'Let there be light'; and there was light."

Since God is STILL creating people in Christ Spiritually, His rest or "ceasing creating" from ALL of His work is FUTURE.

Actually it says God rested on the 7th day of creation week. Where do you get this day/age concept from? It's not scriptural.

 

[Aman777]

They're not! The very scriptures you're claiming to believe say exactly how long each ancestor was before they begot their sons! Adding them up gives an age of approximately 6,000 to 7,000 years for the universe! Seems like you're compromising your belief in the Bible with questionable radiometric dates.

Not so, since the "dead" ancestors are not listed, but only the "living". Sinners are dead to God and He eliminated them from Adam's lineage to Jesus. The Ark arrived some 11k years ago according to history. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html That accounts for the unregenerated.

Perhaps, IF the rates of change haven't ever changed since the beginning of the universe, millions of years MIGHT be a decent estimate. But there is no guarantee they haven't.

That is the "willingly ignorant" argument of the Scoffers of the last days according to 2 Peter 3:3-7 These scoffers teach that ALL things continue since the beginning;

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I wrote that God created the fish on day 5. The Bible does not say that God brought forth FROM WATER anything; it just says he "created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded."

Notice that I bolded and every living thing that moves from your post. Read the verse again and show me one place where God says He made "fish" and used that word. Science AGREES that every living thing that moves came from water. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life... It took Science more than 3k years to agree with what God told us in Genesis 1:21.

Furthermore, it does not say that God ever "created" water; it just says he gathered the waters under the heavens together into one place: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said, 'Let there be light'; and there was light."

Amen. You have discovered one of the scientific proofs of God. IF a man had authored Genesis, he would have said that God created air, dust and water in the beginning. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth is God and He must tell us the Truth and He does in the first 2 verses of Scripture. How, you might ask?

Genesis was authored more than 3k years ago and NO MAN of the time could have possibly known that Water (hydrogen and oxygen) comes from the Air. So the account of the Holy Spirit is absolutely correct scientifically. There are many more proofs of God in Genesis 1.

Actually it says God rested on the 7th day of creation week. Where do you get this day/age concept from? It's not scriptural.

Sure it is since we live Today at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in His Image or Spiritually in Christ. This continues until Jesus returns at Armageddon in the future. Then the Prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 can come to pass SINCE it has NEVER happened in the past. God's rest (ceasing creating) is AFTER death is destroyed. God Bless you

 

[RealityCheck01]

Questions:

1. 15 August 2018 Aman777: Give the Biblical statement of the size of the firmament being only 75 miles wide.
2. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Give your scientific evidence that a firmament is in Lake Van, Turkey.
   Answer: His personal unsupported fantasy because he has no evidence .
3. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Give the Biblical verse stating that the Ark is in Lake Van, Turkey.
4. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Give your scientific evidence that the Ark is in Lake Van, Turkey.
5. 16 August 2018 Aman777: How did a firmament 75 miles wide protect "Adam's Earth" (the same size as the Earth?).
6. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Why does Genesis 1:11 have flowering fruit trees in day 3 while you have them late in day 5?
7. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Please give the verse containing "23 Billion years ago" when God spoke from Scripture, e.g. what verse in Genesis?
8. 16 August 2016 Aman777: Give the Biblical verse that states "Adam's Earth" was totally destroyed in the flood and replaced with another "earth".
   What Peter wrote in a letter thousands of years later about flood waters obviously destroying the surface of the Earth is irrelevant.

Fantasies , mistakes and ignorance.

1. 17 August 2018 Aman777: Lies about the Hebrew in Genesis 1:1 [URL='https://www.christianforums.com/threads/gods-creation-timeline-refutes-evolution.8077166/page-5#post-73073497']Genesis creation narrative (an "everything" is created)[/URL]
2. 17 August 2018 Aman777: "Think about it. IF God is all knowing..." gibberish.
3. 17 August 2018 Aman777: If God is all-powerful then what stopped Him from putting an 450ft boat on a mountain?
4. 17 August 2018 Aman777: An ignorant "Why Noah stayed on the Ark for months AFTER he knew the ground was dry?" question (Noah stayed on the Ark while the earth dried until God tells him to leave).
5. 17 August 2018 Aman777: A definite "January and February that you think Noah stayed in the Ark" lie since I have never said that.
6. 17 August 2018 Aman777: An idiotic, irrelevant raven question ansered in Genesis 8:7 which he quotes!
7. 17 August 2018 Aman777: Abysmal ignorance about evolution: evolutionary mechanisms causes speciation that we have observed, no "kinds" in evolution.
8. 17 August 2018 Aman777: "Scriptural Fact that Jesus made our cosmos on the 3rd Day" ignorance when Genesis is clear that God created the cosmos before day 1 and ordered it on day 3.
9. 16 August 2018 Aman777: The cited Genesis 1:1 makes "created air, dust and water BEFORE the first day" wrong (No air or dust or water listed).
10. 16 August 2018 Aman777: A "satanic" assertion about evolution insulting the Christians who worked on evolution and trust the empirical evidence and theory of evolution.
11. 16 August 2018 Aman777: The cited Genesis 1:1 makes "created air, dust and water BEFORE the first day" wrong.
12. 16 August 2018 Aman777: A "Not according to Scripture" fantasy since the Bible does not say the first stars appeared 200 billion years after the Big Bang

 

[RealityCheck01]

20 August 2018 Aman777: What in your imaginary timeline refutes evolution?
The answer may be that you need to actually learn what evolution is because you have:
13 August 2018 Aman777: "Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4 Day 5" is ignorant about the common ancestry of Homo Sapiens and chimpanzees (we are "cousins").

 

[RealityCheck01]

20 August 2018 Aman777: Do you know what the Big Bang is and that it has nothing to do with Genesis?
The Genesis creation narrative starts with a probable "statement describing the condition of the world when God began creating ("When in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was untamed and shapeless.")". There is an implication of actual earth and water. Day 2 is separation of the formless earth and water to make heaven. Day 3 is more separation of the formless earth and water to make Earth.

Genesis has a "foam" of earth and water until the third day. At no point is anything resembling a Big Bang listed.
The Big Bang is a hot, dense state, not a creation of everything.
The Big Bang is quark-gluon plasma at enormous temperatures and pressures,. There is no oxygen (for water) or iron (for earth) or any other element.
The Big Bang has an expanding universe with (very probable) dark matter particles from the start and whatever dark energy is.

 

[RealityCheck01]

14 Billion years ago Adam is formed Gen 2:4 Day 3

Genesis 2:4 is not Adam being formed. You meant Genesis 2:7. There are no days in Genesis 2. Genesis 2:5 has plants and herbs not "on the face of the earth" thru a lack of rain. That places the making of Adam on or after day 3.
The error is that God makes mankind (Hebrew adam and traditionally Adam) on day 6 (Genesis 1:26).
20 August 2018 Aman777: Please give your evidence for Adam being created before mankind, i.e. 2 separate creations of man.

Genesis creation narrative

When in Genesis 1:26 God says "Let us make man", the Hebrew word used is adam; in this form it is a generic noun, "mankind", and does not imply that this creation is male. After this first mention the word always appears as ha-adam, "the man", but as Genesis 1:27 shows ("So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."), the word is still not exclusively male.[66]

 

[Aman777]

Questions:

1. 15 August 2018 Aman777: Give the Biblical statement of the size of the firmament being only 75 miles wide.
2. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Give your scientific evidence that a firmament is in Lake Van, Turkey.
   Answer: His personal unsupported fantasy because he has no evidence .
3. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Give the Biblical verse stating that the Ark is in Lake Van, Turkey.
4. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Give your scientific evidence that the Ark is in Lake Van, Turkey.
5. 16 August 2018 Aman777: How did a firmament 75 miles wide protect "Adam's Earth" (the same size as the Earth?).
6. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Why does Genesis 1:11 have flowering fruit trees in day 3 while you have them late in day 5?
7. 16 August 2018 Aman777: Please give the verse containing "23 Billion years ago" when God spoke from Scripture, e.g. what verse in Genesis?
8. 16 August 2016 Aman777: Give the Biblical verse that states "Adam's Earth" was totally destroyed in the flood and replaced with another "earth".
   What Peter wrote in a letter thousands of years later about flood waters obviously destroying the surface of the Earth is irrelevant.

Fantasies , mistakes and ignorance.

1. 17 August 2018 Aman777: Lies about the Hebrew in Genesis 1:1 Genesis creation narrative (an "everything" is created)
2. 17 August 2018 Aman777: "Think about it. IF God is all knowing..." gibberish.
3. 17 August 2018 Aman777: If God is all-powerful then what stopped Him from putting an 450ft boat on a mountain?
4. 17 August 2018 Aman777: An ignorant "Why Noah stayed on the Ark for months AFTER he knew the ground was dry?" question (Noah stayed on the Ark while the earth dried until God tells him to leave).
5. 17 August 2018 Aman777: A definite "January and February that you think Noah stayed in the Ark" lie since I have never said that.
6. 17 August 2018 Aman777: An idiotic, irrelevant raven question ansered in Genesis 8:7 which he quotes!
7. 17 August 2018 Aman777: Abysmal ignorance about evolution: evolutionary mechanisms causes speciation that we have observed, no "kinds" in evolution.
8. 17 August 2018 Aman777: "Scriptural Fact that Jesus made our cosmos on the 3rd Day" ignorance when Genesis is clear that God created the cosmos before day 1 and ordered it on day 3.
9. 16 August 2018 Aman777: The cited Genesis 1:1 makes "created air, dust and water BEFORE the first day" wrong (No air or dust or water listed).
10. 16 August 2018 Aman777: A "satanic" assertion about evolution insulting the Christians who worked on evolution and trust the empirical evidence and theory of evolution.
11. 16 August 2018 Aman777: The cited Genesis 1:1 makes "created air, dust and water BEFORE the first day" wrong.
12. 16 August 2018 Aman777: A "Not according to Scripture" fantasy since the Bible does not say the first stars appeared 200 billion years after the Big Bang

IMHO, your post is unworthy of comment. Have a nice Day.

 

[Aman777]

20 August 2018 Aman777: What in your imaginary timeline refutes evolution?
The answer may be that you need to actually learn what evolution is because you have:
13 August 2018 Aman777: "Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4 Day 5" is ignorant about the common ancestry of Homo Sapiens and chimpanzees (we are "cousins").

God refutes the false ToE in Genesis 1:21 (3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time) when He shows that The Trinity "created and brought forth" from WATER, every living creature that moveth. Science confirmed this Fact 2 years ago. Evolution falsely teaches that prehistoric people magically changed from animal to Human intelligence out of the blue, from mindless Nature, and their minions bow to their shared ignorance.

IF the Ark had not come to our planet 11k years ago, you would STILL be looking for a hole to sleep in tonight. Prehistoric people roamed this Earth for Billions of years until the Ark arrived less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people (not Humans) diverged from Chimps. That's God's Truth

 

[Aman777]

20 August 2018 Aman777: Do you know what the Big Bang is and that it has nothing to do with Genesis?

I know that you don't know that the Big Bang (the beginning of our Universe) was on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4

The Genesis creation narrative starts with a probable "statement describing the condition of the world when God began creating ("When in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was untamed and shapeless.")". There is an implication of actual earth and water. Day 2 is separation of the formless earth and water to make heaven. Day 3 is more separation of the formless earth and water to make Earth.

I see. Is it the Blob Theory?

Genesis has a "foam" of earth and water until the third day. At no point is anything resembling a Big Bang listed.

Sorry, but you don't know that our Cosmos was made at the END of the 3rd Day. Do you?

The Big Bang is a hot, dense state, not a creation of everything.

Tell that to Astronomers. Is it magical genesis from nothing?

The Big Bang is quark-gluon plasma at enormous temperatures and pressures,. There is no oxygen (for water) or iron (for earth) or any other element.

Of course not. The oxygen hydrogen and ground just blew up in the middle of the first Stars, but you forgot to tell us WHERE the first Stars came from. See why I call today's ToE incomplete? It's because it just dreams up WHERE matter came from.

The Big Bang has an expanding universe with (very probable) dark matter particles from the start and whatever dark energy is.

Dark Energy is the plain old Gravity of the larger body (the 3rd Heaven) exerting it's pull on our smaller Universe, which will eventually end up in the Lake of Fire. Then, we can learn God's Truth instead of the changeable false incomplete Theories of man. God's Truth changes NOT. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Genesis 2:4 is not Adam being formed. You meant Genesis 2:7. There are no days in Genesis 2. Genesis 2:5 has plants and herbs not "on the face of the earth" thru a lack of rain. That places the making of Adam on or after day 3.

Correction: Most people don't know the days of Genesis 2-4-7.

Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) made the earth and the heavens,

The above verse is speaking of a certain Day in the creation. It's the Day that Adam's Earth AND the other HeavenS (plural) were made. Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10.

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

See? It's the THIRD Day before the plants herbs and rain....

Gen 2:7 ¶ And the LORD God formed man (Hebrew-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (being)

Conclusion. On the 3rd Day before plants herbs and rain, Jesus made Adam of the dust of the ground and breathed life into him. Can you refute God's Truth? Of course not.

The error is that God makes mankind (Hebrew adam and traditionally Adam) on day 6 (Genesis 1:26).

Amen, since Adam was "formed" temporarily on the 3rd Day Gen 2:7 by Jesus and Eve was made from Adam's rib on the 6th Day by Jesus/Lord God. Gen 2:22

20 August 2018 Aman777: Please give your evidence for Adam being created before mankind, i.e. 2 separate creations of man.

Already have. Since Adam was made the 3rd Day and Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day, Genesis 1:27 is the creation of Adam and Eve in Christ Spiritually. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 AND John 14:16 ALL of Humankind lives and dies on the present 6th Day of Creation and SOME of us are born again Spiritually in Christ on this Day of Salvation, according to Jesus:

2Co 6:2 (For He (Lord) saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured (helped) thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

 

[Chinchilla]

The word "Day" is the Hebrew word "yowm" which means a period of time. Each of God's 6 Days of Creation is more than 4 Billion years in man's time. Today remains the 6th Day at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating mankind in Christ Spiritually. Jesus Christ IS the Image of the invisible God. Colossians 1:15 To be created in God's Image is to be born again Spiritually in Christ.

Not possible , God couldn't even create Eve as different being from the ground he took the rib so they could be one flesh , because One died for One .
We all sin in Adam , we all are redeemed in second Adam - Christ.

If you read Genealogy from Adam , he created son in his own image , not in God's image , the sons from the fall are created from Adam not from God .
Yes we create the souls by copulation , that's why the moment egg meets sperm the egg light up like lightbulb and life is created then , not like Muslims who believe in 3-7 days after impregnation Allah is giving soul .


Earth is literally almost 6000 years old , created in 6 days .