Was 1948 the Regathering of Israel in Bible Prophecy?

[LittleLambofJesus]

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Imagine how bizarre and false I find your claim. It's true, Israel was enslaved 430 years. Do you not read your Bible?

That was Egypt. What does that have to do with Ezekiel's prophecy? Absolutely, positively NOTHING!

Ezekiel was a post-exile prophet.

Grant Jeffrey, on the other hand, was a charlatan and a quack. Good riddance!

Coincidentally he was born in 1948........

Grant Reid Jeffrey (October 5, 1948 – May 11, 2012) was a Canadian Bible teacher of Bible prophecy/eschatology and biblical archaeology and a proponent of dispensational evangelical Christianity.[1] Jeffrey served as the chairman of Frontier Research Publications[2] for more than 20 years. His books (variously published by WaterBrook Press,[3] Bantam Books, HarperCollins, Zondervan, Word and Tyndale House) have sold more than 7 million copies and have been printed in 24 languages.[4] Jeffrey was working on a new book called One Nation Under Attack (WaterBrook Press, January 2013), at the time of his death.[5] He also appeared on television and radio shows, particularly on Christian programs and also had been invited to speak to groups around the globe.[6]

In 1982, Jeffrey earned a Chartered Life Underwriter Certification from the University of Toronto's Extension Program. He later received his Master's Degree and Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Louisiana Baptist University.[2]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Posted on another thread but seems apropos here:

How exactly is today's Multi ethnic secular democratic nation state "Israel" the re institution of the pre desolation Hebrew theocracy "Israel"?

It bears no resemblance whatsoever - they don't share the same religion as the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy, they don't share the same government as the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy, they don't share the same DNA as the folks who made up the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy, and they don't exist in any covenant relationship with God as the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy did.

What then is it, that makes them the same Israel as the one that was desolated?

I gotta munch on that, but I tend to agree with your post........


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Israel is a nation again May 14, 1948. It is done.
Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 430 days projected the time in years with 7x punishment to when Israel would be a nation again. Israel as enslaved in Egypt was for 430 years. That's where Ezekiel knew to make his prophecy from because the punishment would be 7x that in length of years. God's judgment is commensurate with Israel's sin.

536 - 1 + 1948 = 2483. It even calculates to the month of May (0.8). Truly amazing. Could Israel have known this ahead of time and consciously took over Israel at that time. Perhaps, but it doesn't matter because the prophecy fulfilled.

The same can be said about the Tetrads (Rev. 6.12). Did Israel know the 6th feast Tetrad since Christ would be when Israel took over Israel and the 7th when Israel took over Jerusalem and the 8th 2014/15 today (Rev. 6.12)which must be completed before the Tribulation can start. I am not sure if they had that cosmological knowledge, but it is fulfilled nonetheless.

Praise the Lord!

So what happens next to them?

 

[Chinchilla]

Well the Jubilee was in 2017/2018 and the Embassy was moved to Jerusalem so God is going to now make Jerusalem a cup of trembling and gentiles will stomp over it ever more .

 

[Traveling teacher]

romans 11:23
And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

at some point the remnant from Israel will return back to God
through His son

 

[BABerean2]

romans 11:23
And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

at some point the remnant from Israel will return back to God
through His son

You are turning the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "when" or "then" in the verse below.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Is the covenant in the verse below the New Covenant fulfilled for all races of people at Calvary, or is it a future covenant with the modern State of Israel.

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

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[Traveling teacher]

while there are not very many jewish christians in the world....
there are quiet a few in america and also in Israel......
they would call themselves messianic jews.........

will there be more % than gentile nations?????
dont know????

but yes there are some as in every race and group in the world.....
ROMANS 11
11 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means...
God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew........
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace....

 

[BABerean2]

while there are not very many jewish christians in the world....
there are quiet a few in america and also in Israel......
they would call themselves messianic jews.........

will there be more % than gentile nations?????
dont know????

but yes there are some as in every race and group in the world.....
ROMANS 11
11 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means...
God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew........
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace....

The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in a manger in Bethlehem, is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures.
Why have I never seen this simple three-part message on Christian television?

This American Jew found Jeremiah 31:31-34 in his Hebrew scriptures, and accepted Christ as his Messiah.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in the verse below.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant found in Matthew 26:28.
The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.


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[Chinchilla]

Anything I can add to it is that Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947 or 1948 just by coincidence when Jews got thier land back .

 

[BABerean2]

Anything I can add to it is that Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947 or 1948 just by coincidence when Jews got thier land back .

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

The "son" is the "heir" to the land in the passage above.

He said the kingdom would be taken from the nation which rejects the "chief cornerstone", and it would be given to another nation being fruit.

That nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

You seem to be claiming that the land belongs to those who reject the "son".

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[Chinchilla]

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

The "son" is the "heir" to the land in the passage above.

He said the kingdom would be taken from the nation which rejects the "chief cornerstone", and it would be given to another nation being fruit.

That nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

You seem to be claiming that the land belongs to those who reject the "son".

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Abraham did not reject the Son.
Abraham was promised land.
Therefore Abraham will inherit the land .

What do you do with people prior to the Jews and priesthood ? Are they all damned and never inherit anything ? Did God simply let Adam and Eve be lost ?

 

[BABerean2]

Abraham did not reject the Son.
Abraham was promised land.
Therefore Abraham will inherit the land .

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

 

[Chinchilla]

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

Yes without faith it is impossible to please God but what does it have to do with inheritance
Christians are told that they won't inherit if they will not do the will of Father even tho they believed that he exist , it's not unconditional for them .

 

[Traveling teacher]

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

The "son" is the "heir" to the land in the passage above.

He said the kingdom would be taken from the nation which rejects the "chief cornerstone", and it would be given to another nation being fruit.

That nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

You seem to be claiming that the land belongs to those who reject the "son".

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yes we look to the New Jerusalem the heavenly Jerusalem.....

but the land of Israel and Jerusalem is given to the Jews today ......
as can be seen since 1948....although gaza...west bank....is still contested

In Jeremiahs day God told Jeremiah if he could find 1 rightous man in Jerusalem he would spare the city.......

All through the bible God would say...
because of your forefathers (abraham, Isaac, Jacob) I will not cut you off......

could it be that God restored Israel to the Jews because of the faith of a few.....
or because of His word?????

There has always been a remnant of Jewish believers.....
Columbus was a messianic Jew?????
Inside the old city a german Jewish believer in 1850s.....
founded the first Jewish led church in modern day in Jerusalem.....
Christ Church inside the Joffa gate.....
you can visit it today.......they still have services......

 

[BABerean2]

but the land of Israel and Jerusalem is given to the Jews today ......
as can be seen since 1948....although gaza...west bank....is still contested

How much Jewish DNA do I need to claim a piece of land in the Middle East?

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[BABerean2]

Yes without faith it is impossible to please God but what does it have to do with inheritance
Christians are told that they won't inherit if they will not do the will of Father even tho they believed that he exist , it's not unconditional for them .

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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[Chinchilla]

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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We are of Abraham seed because Christ was , not because Abraham gave us birth correct ?

 

[ebedmelech]

We are of Abraham seed because Christ was , not because Abraham gave us birth correct ?

More direct and to the point f this question is Abraham;s son Isaac. Isaac was "the seed of promise".

That is Paul's major point in Romans 9:8-9! The "seed" of Isaac are NOT born of of the flesh, they are born of "the Spirit".

Romans 9:8-9:
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

He stresses this point again in Galatians 4...particularly vss 28-31!!!

 

[Traveling teacher]

How much Jewish DNA do I need to claim a piece of land in the Middle East?

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trust me those orthodox jews got it all worked out to a science......

i believe they test everyone before they become citizens....

they have in the passt made an acception to ethiopians as there has been a jewish community in ethiopia since the days of queen sheba.....

 

[BABerean2]

trust me those orthodox jews got it all worked out to a science......

i believe they test everyone before they become citizens....

We do not trust you, or me, or any other man or woman.

On this forum we judge what you say in comparison to God's Word.

What did the Apostle Paul say below about using genealogies?

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


There has never been any DNA test required for Israeli citizenship, unless the rules have changed recently.
If you can prove otherwise, bring it out here and let us see it.

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