Oneness Pentecostalism is not Biblical.

[redleghunter]

He was praying to the Father(YHWH) who he subjected himself to since they are equal in all things. They are different administrations that perform different operations but they are the same God and same being.

That's no longer Modalism . It's Tritheism. Or maybe you can clarify how you make the statement the Father and Son are distinct yet not persons.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

The audience would not change how God refers to Himself. Again, why did He refer to Himself in the plural form several times in Genesis?
There is no explanation for this with your belief.



Again, it makes NO sense for Him to make requests with Himself!!!

That would be like asking yourself permission to do something. It would make no sense. Sorry, you are just not getting it, my friend.

He speaks to the other administrations, the same as he speaks to the son and the Father to the son. They are all YHWH and this is shown throughout the NT.

He subjected himself to the Father(YHWH) who is in a different administration and performs a different operation. Christ as the son had to become flesh and dwell among us to bring in the NT, the Father(YHWH) who is in heaven set it up so that this would be possible through the son(YHWH). YHWH the father sits on the throne in heaven, and Christ(YHWH the son) sits beside him.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

He was praying to the Father(YHWH) who he subjected himself to since they are equal in all things. They are different administrations that perform different operations but they are the same God and same being.

But what about the persona part? The mind, the will, and emotions of God? How does that play a part in your version of God with different administrations? If God has only one persona, then how could there be different administrations that act like they are independent of each other? Why would God talk to God? What would be the purpose in that if He is one mind alone?

How do you define an administration? It is just a name only? Are there different functions? If they are different functions, why does God need to talk to the different administrations within Himself to get things done?

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Is the risen Christ Jesus Christ Who is now seated at the Right Hand of the Father glorified a person? If not when did He stop being a person?

To ensure we speak of the same thing when we say person, Person is defined here simply as the subject of existence and life—hypostasis in the traditional church language.

The Father has existence and life
The Son has existence and life
The Holy Spirit has existence and life

There is One God.

Therefore the only logical conclusion is Trinitarian. Why? Because there is only One God, yet there are three distinct Persons (existence and life).

The father is in the son, son in the father, spirit in the son, spirit of the father, all are one and in one. There is only one God(YHWH).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Again, if there are different administrations, and yet only one mind or persona, it still really does not make any sense for God to refer to Himself in the plural form in Genesis.

 

[redleghunter]

He speaks to the other administrations, the same as he speaks to the son and the Father to the son. They are all YHWH and this is shown throughout the NT.

He subjected himself to the Father(YHWH) who is in a different administration and performs a different operation. Christ as the son had to become flesh and dwell among us to bring in the NT, the Father(YHWH) who is in heaven set it up so that this would be possible through the son(YHWH). YHWH the father sits on the throne in heaven, and Christ(YHWH the son) sits beside him.

Define administration please.

As you are using the word makes it synonymous with person which is the "subject of existence and life."

You are trying real hard to not use Trinitarian terms yet you are using "administration" as Trinitarians use person.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The father is in the son, son in the father, spirit in the son, spirit of the father, all are one and in one. There is only one God(YHWH).

You are talking about them as if they are distinct.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

But what about the persona part? The mind, the will, and emotions of God? How does that play a part in your version of God with different administrations? If God has only one persona, then how could there be different administrations that act like they are independent of each other? Why would God talk to God? What would be the purpose in that if He is one mind alone?

The spirit's purpose is described in the New testament, it dwells within us and speaks the Lord's will and his word.
Christ's purpose was/is to save the world from sin and give us the NT, as well as what else is prophesied that he will do.
The Father is alpha and omega beginning and the end, he creates and destroys. His purpose is shown throughout the bible.

But they are all one.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Define administration please.

As you are using the word makes it synonymous with person which is the "subject of existence and life."

You are trying real hard to not use Trinitarian terms yet you are using "administration" as Trinitarians use person.

Purpose of being.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

You are talking about them as if they are distinct.

No brother, the are one but each with a specific purpose.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The spirit's purpose is described in the New testament, it dwells within us and speaks the Lord's will and his word.
Christ's purpose was/is to save the world from sin and give us the NT, as well as what else is prophesied that he will do.
The Father is alpha and omega beginning and the end, he creates and destroys. His purpose is shown throughout the bible.

But they are all one.

Yet, you do not think Christ is different from the Father and yet they each have different purposes or administrations? So the Father does have a different purpose than the Son? Why call it the Son if they really are not distinct? Do you think of the Son like it was an arm? Why would God need to talk to His own arm to get things done?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No brother, the are one but each with a specific purpose.

The word "each" implies a distinctiveness.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Purpose of being.

So we can find out what you believe.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

The word "each" implies a distinctiveness.

Okay. There is one God YHWH.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

So we can find out what you believe.

That is the definition you asked for.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Okay. There is one God YHWH.

No. Before you said they EACH have a distinctive purpose.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is the definition you asked for.

But we do not know how you define Administration (Especially in relation to His singular persona: Like his one mind, will, and emotions).

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Yet, you do not think Christ is different from the Father and yet they each have different purposes or administrations? So the Father does have a different purpose than the Son? Why call it the Son if they really are not distinct? Do you think of the Son like it was an arm? Why would God need to talk to His own arm to get things done?

One is liquid, one is solid, one is gas. All are water. The same is with God. Not a perfect example but the best one in nature we have.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

No. Before you said they EACH have a distinctive purpose.

Yes the Holy spirit is a different administration and he is YHWH. Christ is a different administration and he is YHWH. The father is a different administration and he is YHWH. They each have separate purpose but they are all one YHWH.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

One is liquid, one is solid, one is gas. All are water. The same is with God. Not a perfect example but the best one in nature we have.

But this really does not resolve Him making requests within Himself. If He is truly just one persona as you say, He shouldn't be making requests and or praying to Himself. Unless of course you care to explain it.