Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

[FreeGrace2]

1. I stated that the seal was on JESUS and not on man.
This is when I stated that Jesus was God and therefore HE would not rescind the authority of the seal.
I hope you know that the seal represents authority.

Such ignorance of Scripture is appalling!!

The seal IS the Holy Spirit. But apparently you've not read Eph 1:13,14 yet.

2. So you believe kings never rescinded an order?

Why would anyone try to compare God with any human king. Silly. Or worse.

 

[FreeGrace2]

If you have the Holy Spirit, you have the seal.
If you don't have the Holy Spirit, you don't have the seal.

OK, when are you going to prove from Scripture that a sealed believer can become unsealed.

Or revise your opinion to line up with Scripture, rather than against Scripture.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Wrong.

The real attack on the integrity of our Lord and Savior is the claim that those He saves have more power than He and those He gives eternal life who rebel WILL perish, which only proves that He is a liar.

Why that FACT goes way over your head is amazing.

And the irony of the post you responded to....... These were Jews who were saved who went back to the life of following the law to be saved. They were not out sinning all they want, living like hell and hoping to take the mark of the beast. They went back to working for their salvation. The exact same thing the loss of salvation crowd is doing today.

THEY trample His cross and His blood. Abandon God. And live as they THINK they should to be saved.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Such ignorance of Scripture is appalling!!

The seal IS the Holy Spirit. But apparently you've not read Eph 1:13,14 yet.


Why would anyone try to compare God with any human king. Silly. Or worse.

It is truly amazing to watch at times.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Here is a start for ya:
Eph 5:30~~New American Standard Bible
because we are members of His body.
King James Bible
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

1 Cor 6:15~~ New International Version
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!

Here's a start for you:

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ephesians/1-14.htm

Different commentaries.
As you read through all of them, please note that it's speaking of BELIEVERS.

If we are NOT believers, or STOP being believers, NONE of this applies. Also, please note that it has much to do with the future.

Those who believe and have faith ...... are saved.
Those who do not believe and do not have faith......are lost.

Those two sentences could save you a lot of reading, but I guess it's just too simple for you.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Do you really not understand that the Father, Son AND Holy Spirit are ALL God?

So that means that God the Father cannot deny God the Spirit (Himself). So it's you who doesn't understand what it means.

Study up on 2 Timothy 2:11-13

Here is a small taste of what it means:

2 Timothy 2:13
Yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.—Those who have understood these words as containing soothing, comforting voices for the sinner, for the faithless Christian who has left his first love, are gravely mistaken. The passage is one of distinct severity—may even be termed one of the sternest in the Book of Life; for it tells how it is impossible even for the pitiful Redeemer to forgive in the future life. “He cannot deny Himself”—cannot treat the faithless as though he were faithful—cannot act as though faithfulness and faithlessness were one and the same thing. The Christian teacher, such as Timothy, and the members of his flock likewise, must remember that, sure and certain as are the promises of glory and happiness to those who love the Lord and try to live His life, so surely will fall the chastisement on all who are faithless and untrue.

source: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_timothy/2-13.htm

 

[GodsGrace101]

Such ignorance of Scripture is appalling!!

The seal IS the Holy Spirit. But apparently you've not read Eph 1:13,14 yet.


Why would anyone try to compare God with any human king. Silly. Or worse.

OR
Maybe I've read it much better than you ever could.
Please check out the commentaries I posted.
They're from different persons.

 

[GodsGrace101]

And the irony of the post you responded to....... These were Jews who were saved who went back to the life of following the law to be saved. They were not out sinning all they want, living like hell and hoping to take the mark of the beast. They went back to working for their salvation. The exact same thing the loss of salvation crowd is doing today.

THEY trample His cross and His blood. Abandon God. And live as they THINK they should to be saved.

ANYONE could go back to the life they were living before.
That's the point.
The JEWS wanted to go back to legalism...the law.
Believers could go back to living a life of sin and unbelief.

This has NOTHING to do with working for salvation in our case.
NO ONE on this thread EVER said we could be saved by works.
But there are other things to go back to.

It's truly amazing how some don't understand this...
probably because it's too uncomfortable to accept the Word of God in its simple form so it has to be made to adhere to individual beliefs----which then causes all doctrine to become complicated...

This is easy:

John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

This tell us that:

1. If we BELIEVE in the Son we have eternal life.

2. If we do not OBEY the Son we will not see life and God's wrath will abide in us, not His spirit.

Not obeying, in case this is a difficult concept, would include those who return to a life of sin or a life of unbelief and faithlessness.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Study up on 2 Timothy 2:11-13

Here is a small taste of what it means:

I know what it means. v.12 is parallel to Rom 8:17.

Here is what I recommend for you, dear lady.

Jesus said that recipients of etenral life shall never perish, from John 10:28.

Please read this sentence aloud over and over until reality finally sets in and you can believe it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

OR
Maybe I've read it much better than you ever could.

Or maybe not.

Please check out the commentaries I posted.
They're from different persons.

I'm much more interested in what the Bible says that what common taters think.

Again, I recommend that you do what I suggested in my previous post.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I know what it means. v.12 is parallel to Rom 8:17.

Here is what I recommend for you, dear lady.

Jesus said that recipients of etenral life shall never perish, from John 10:28.

Please read this sentence aloud over and over until reality finally sets in and you can believe it.

Just got here and here you are.
I agree. Recipients of eternal life will never perish.
WHO are the recipients,,,that's the question.

I see you refuse to read and learn new things.
Why am I not surprised?
You enjoy your easy believism,,,but it's not what Jesus taught.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Or maybe not.


I'm much more interested in what the Bible says that what common taters think.

Again, I recommend that you do what I suggested in my previous post.

Common taters?
YOU are a common tater...theologians are NOT common taters.
The Early Church Fathers are not common taters.
Somehow you believe you know more than these persons that DO NOT agree with you.

No more posts FG.
You could believe what you want to believe,,,
I just hope those reading along have better understanding than you do.

 

[FreeGrace2]

This is easy:

John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

This tell us that:

1. If we BELIEVE in the Son we have eternal life.

2. If we do not OBEY the Son we will not see life and God's wrath will abide in us, not His spirit.

Not obeying, in case this is a difficult concept, would include those who return to a life of sin or a life of unbelief and faithlessness.

Let's take a peek at what the Greek word "not obey" means:
NT:544 apeitheo (ap-i-theh'-o); from NT:545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely):

KJV - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.

Are you getting the picture?

Here is what I recommend for you, dear lady.

Jesus said that recipients of etenral life shall never perish, from John 10:28.

Please read this sentence aloud over and over until reality finally sets in and you can believe it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Just got here and here you are.
I agree. Recipients of eternal life will never perish.
WHO are the recipients,,,that's the question.

Anyone who can read knows that answer; Jesus' sheep, a metaphor for believers.

Now, do you want to argue against that fact?

I see you refuse to read and learn new things.

And just where did you "see" that? More probably, you're just "seeing things".

Why am I not surprised?

I don't care.

You enjoy your easy believism,,,but it's not what Jesus taught.

Please explain to me what Jesus meant in Matt 11:30 - For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

There's no reason to think that Jesus' yoke is hard to believe.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Common taters?
YOU are a common tater...theologians are NOT common taters.

OK, thanks for revealing your unfamiliarity with play on words.

The Early Church Fathers are not common taters.

Sure they were. They commented on Scripture, and got it wrong many times.

Somehow you believe you know more than these persons that DO NOT agree with you.

When one disagrees with me, they are disagreeing with what Scripture says.

Take that however you want.

No more posts FG.

It this a promise?

You could believe what you want to believe,,,

That wouldn't make sense when I read and understand Scripture. I must believe what I read and understand.

This has never been about what I want. It's only about what Scripture says and means.

I just hope those reading along have better understanding than you do.

Pathetic. But when someone has no evidence for their beliefs and no defense for them, they are forced to back out.

So I understand.

 

[JLB777]

Saved. Justified.Saint.

Ok at least you answered the question.


So based on what you have been taught and believe (OSAS) a person who is lost is saved, justified and a saint.


Ok. Thanks for exposing the OSAS doctrine for us.


According to OSAS -

A person who is lost is justified (righteous before God) saved needing no repentance, and is a saint, not a sinner.


How would you define “found” ?


JPT

 

[JLB777]

I asked this:
"If by "sheep", you mean one of Jesus' sheep, He told us that He gives them eternal life and they shall never perish. Why don't you believe that?"

I would have to see the scripture and context of Jesus saying that.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Go ahead and answer my questions and then I'll answer yours.

But I'll give a hint. In the parable of the prodigal, the father described his son (who remained alive throughout the narrative) as lost and dead. But what we know is that the son left the father in a state of broken fellowship, since asking for his inheritance was normally given AFTER the death of the father, so asking while the father was still alive was tantamount to telling his father he wished his father was DEAD already.

But never mind the facts. I know your mind is already made up.

So you are teaching us that the son who was lost and unreconciled to the father was still justified even though he had chose to depart from his father in a life of sin?


Please explain how a person who lives unrighteousness is still somehow righteous?

If lost does mean lost and seperated from God then why all the fuss about seeking and saving that which is lost?


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Here's what I'll answer: honest questions that have no false premise. Your questions are devoid of honesty and truthful premises.

The question is based on the premise of Jesus teaching using His words.


the 100 sheep belong to the shepherd, as they are His sheep: Born again - Children of God.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep

4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


However, we see from this teaching of Jesus, that His sheep can indeed become lost.

• ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’

• likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

The 99 are said to be "just"; Declared by God as right with Him - Righteous


The one who becomes lost, is described by Jesus as a sinner [unjust; not reconciled to God - unrighteous] in need of repentance.


These are the words of Jesus.


Now comes the question to you -


Based on the actual words Jesus uses, is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Your doctrine that behavior or lifestyle determines salvation is false doctrine all the way.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 5:28-29


again


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


If a born again Christian hates his brother he no longer has eternal life dwelling in him.


So much for your theory about our behavior not having anything to do with our having eternal life.



JLB