Islam Freedom of speech

[Godistruth1]

And the law of God tells you to murder anyone who curses the prophet. The Bible is not supposed to be implemented as state law. Snuffing out any form of criticism is obviously the truth don’t you think?

Obviously you believe man made laws are better than Gods law. Its not new that Christians won't implement capital punishment when bible tells you to do so.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Obviously you believe man made laws are better than Gods law. Its not new that Christians won't implement capital punishment when bible tells you to do so.

So as a Muslim you have no objection to killing those who slander Muhammad?

 

[mindlight]

The point I'm making is people follow the law of the land and keep bible for preaching and reading and not implementing. If Jesus is cursed and ridiculed they would smile at them. For Muslims the honor of prophet is greater than love for mother or father. The west knows this already yet the chose to provoke Muslims. Muslims will follow law of God because we are sure its the truth.

Historically Christianity has moulded British law to a massive extent. That influence has been eroded by various determined lobby groups in recent years. So abortion, gay marriage, working on Sundays, witchcraft act and blasphemy laws are all wrong now for instance. The separation of church and state has not existed in the UK since Henry VIII.

It is untrue to assert Christianity is irrelevant to law but its relationship to civil law is more complicated than with Sharia for instance.

Muslims are in effect trying to implement 7th century laws in the modern world while Christians can be more flexible

 

[Barney2.0]

Obviously you believe man made laws are better than Gods law. Its not new that Christians won't implement capital punishment when bible tells you to do so.

God’s laws to Christians are to keep out of secular politics meaning we don’t interfere in the affairs of the state.

 

[Godistruth1]

So as a Muslim you have no objection to killing those who slander Muhammad?

Its to be imposed by the Islamic government. I am not allowed to implement it on my own. There is no doubt that those who disrespect the prophet the punishment is death.

 

[Godistruth1]

God’s laws to Christians are to keep out of secular politics meaning we don’t interfere in the affairs of the state.

Well what Christians believe about implementation of capital punishment is none of our concern. If you were under Jewish law still would you kill homosexuals and stone adulterers and kill all non Christians as the OT commands?

 

[Godistruth1]

Historically Christianity has moulded British law to a massive extent. That influence has been eroded by various determined lobby groups in recent years. So abortion, gay marriage, working on Sundays, witchcraft act and blasphemy laws are all wrong now for instance. The separation of church and state has not existed in the UK since Henry VIII.

It is untrue to assert Christianity is irrelevant to law but its relationship to civil law is more complicated than with Sharia for instance.

Muslims are in effect trying to implement 7th century laws in the modern world while Christians can be more flexible

Its strange how you give dates when your Bible is from dark age century. You are speaking like an atheist. If the book is from God does it matter how old it is? Or you believe Gods wisdom gets outdated as time passes?

 

[dzheremi]

Its to be imposed by the Islamic government. I am not allowed to implement it on my own. There is no doubt that those who disrespect the prophet the punishment is death.

Well...we found the terrorist!

How weak is the Islamic non-god that it needs people to throw deadly tantrums over the slightest word against his false prophet? And why is it that Muhammad is treated better than Allah? Terrorists mock your god all the time when they yell his name before blowing themselves up, yet people who think that such things are a service to their god call those people martyrs, whereas it is using the name of Muhammad 'in vain' that really gets the Muslim world upset.

What a disgrace this is to your religion. It makes you look like a bunch of immature babies, trying and failing to protect your pathetically weak deity and his chosen vessel, Muhammad, who by your treatment of him you make into something more than a man all the while saying "la ilaha ila Allah". You make a lie of your own confession. Every real man can stand an insult, but your Muhammad cannot, according to the illogical Islamic worldview.

Everything in Islam points to how true and real Christ and Christianity are, by comparison. In Islam, you have a god who apparently cannot defend himself and cannot handle anyone saying anything bad about Muhammad, and his weak-minded slaves therefore cannot live with anyone (often not even with each other) without turning into murderous takfiri animals, to protect the so-called 'honor' due to their so-called god and his so-called prophet, the weakest of the weak.

In Christianity, you have the idea that the Logos of God was incarnate as a man specifically to go through trials for our sake because of His love for us, trials over which He triumphed every single time: the fasting and the tempting by the devil in the desert, the crucifixion, the harrowing of Hell, etc. We say in the Coptic Orthodox version of the ancient Greek hymn "O Monogenes Yios" (O Only Begotten Son) that "by weakness, (He has) shown what is greater than might." Our God is even greater in weakness than your god is with however many million people baying for the blood of anyone who should insult your religion or its figures.

People insulted Christ all the time. He was called a drunk (a 'wine-bibber'), assumed to be working magic, insulted for his region of origin ("Can anything good come from Nazareth?"), and so on. He was insulted most seriously upon the via dolorossa and upon the cross, when He was spat upon and crowned with thorns and murdered...and over all this, He triumphed, because He is God, and He willed to go through everything so that we would no longer taste death on account of our sins. Christ our God conquered death. What has your god done lately, besides providing the pretext for a bunch of people to go crazy and kill others over perceived insults, like some kind of maniac?

"For my sake, O my Master, You did not hide Your face from the shame of spitting."

This is true power, and true love, from the true Lover of Mankind: Christ, the Son of God, our God. Anything given to or by Muhammad will be torn out at its roots, because it did not come from God. It came from Muhammad, and hence bears Muhammad's own weakness, insecurity, and ego. It is just very sad to see so many people around the world model themselves after such a person, and treat him as though he is perfect. Muhammad has shaped your god, and so your god also carries all his flaws, and yet to say this is deserving of death. Why? Is it not human to have flaws, and didn't Muhammad say he is just a man? Or is he somehow made out of different stuff than the rest of us, so we must treat him more like a god because you do?

(And they call us "associators" and accuse us of shirk! Thou doth protest too much, Muslims...)

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Its to be imposed by the Islamic government. I am not allowed to implement it on my own. There is no doubt that those who disrespect the prophet the punishment is death.

It's good to see a Muslim admit the intolerance of Islam. My next question would be. If I said Muhammad was a false prophet, that I believed that to be the case, would that be grounds for killing me in Islam?

 

[Godistruth1]

Well...we found the terrorist!

How weak is the Islamic non-god that it needs people to throw deadly tantrums over the slightest word against his false prophet? And why is it that Muhammad is treated better than Allah? Terrorists mock your god all the time when they yell his name before blowing themselves up, yet people who think that such things are a service to their god call those people martyrs, whereas it is using the name of Muhammad 'in vain' that really gets the Muslim world upset.

What a disgrace this is to your religion. It makes you look like a bunch of immature babies, trying and failing to protect your pathetically weak deity and his chosen vessel, Muhammad, who by your treatment of him you make into something more than a man all the while saying "la ilaha ila Allah". You make a lie of your own confession. Every real man can stand an insult, but your Muhammad cannot, according to the illogical Islamic worldview.

Everything in Islam points to how true and real Christ and Christianity are, by comparison. In Islam, you have a god who apparently cannot defend himself and cannot handle anyone saying anything bad about Muhammad, and his weak-minded slaves therefore cannot live with anyone (often not even with each other) without turning into murderous takfiri animals, to protect the so-called 'honor' due to their so-called god and his so-called prophet, the weakest of the weak.

In Christianity, you have the idea that the Logos of God was incarnate as a man specifically to go through trials for our sake because of His love for us, trials over which He triumphed every single time: the fasting and the tempting by the devil in the desert, the crucifixion, the harrowing of Hell, etc. We say in the Coptic Orthodox version of the ancient Greek hymn "O Monogenes Yios" (O Only Begotten Son) that "by weakness, (He has) shown what is greater than might." Our God is even greater in weakness than your god is with however many million people baying for the blood of anyone who should insult your religion or its figures.

People insulted Christ all the time. He was called a drunk (a 'wine-bibber'), assumed to be working magic, insulted for his region of origin ("Can anything good come from Nazareth?"), and so on. He was insulted most seriously upon the via dolorossa and upon the cross, when He was spat upon and crowned with thorns and murdered...and over all this, He triumphed, because He is God, and He willed to go through everything so that we would no longer taste death on account of our sins. Christ our God conquered death. What has your god done lately, besides providing the pretext for a bunch of people to go crazy and kill others over perceived insults, like some kind of maniac?

"For my sake, O my Master, You did not hide Your face from the shame of spitting."

This is true power, and true love, from the true Lover of Mankind: Christ, the Son of God, our God. Anything given to or by Muhammad will be torn out at its roots, because it did not come from God. It came from Muhammad, and hence bears Muhammad's own weakness, insecurity, and ego. It is just very sad to see so many people around the world model themselves after such a person, and treat him as though he is perfect. Muhammad has shaped your god, and so your god also carries all his flaws, and yet to say this is deserving of death. Why? Is it not human to have flaws, and didn't Muhammad say he is just a man? Or is he somehow made out of different stuff than the rest of us, so we must treat him more like a god because you do?

(And they call us "associators" and accuse us of shirk! Thou doth protest too much, Muslims...)

Was your God weak when he tells to kill innocent children and women and livestock in OT. Is your religion weak so that Jesus tells you to kill all those who don't want him to be king over them?

 

[Godistruth1]

It's good to see a Muslim admit the intolerance of Islam. My next question would be. If I said Muhammad was a false prophet, that I believed that to be the case, would that be grounds for killing me in Islam?

Lol If I speak my mind here about Christianity I'm going to get banded while Christians here are free to say what they want about Islam and here you are speaking about intolerance.

Any person who speaks against the prophet will have to be tried under the Islamic government.

What's your view about Jesus telling his disciples to murder all those who don't want him to be king over them?

 

[dzheremi]

Was your God weak when he tells to kill innocent children and women and livestock in OT. Is your religion weak so that Jesus tells you to kill all those who don't want him to be king over them?

No, but such a question with those examples in mind reveals a level of Biblical illiteracy that shows very clearly that you don't even care about the actual answers anyway, so to try to explain the difference between, e.g., a parable (as our Lord's words are clearly stated to be in Luke 19:11 -- "Now as they had heard these things, He spoke another parable...") and what your own religion takes to be a divine, timeless, context-free demand is completely useless.

If you have any actual questions that come from wondering about the Bible, not mutilating it, feel free to ask those.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Lol If I speak my mind here about Christianity I'm going to get banded while Christians here are free to say what they want about Islam and here you are speaking about intolerance.

Any person who speaks against the prophet will have to be tried under the Islamic government.

What's your view about Jesus telling his disciples to murder all those who don't want him to be king over them?

I noticed you didn't answer my question.

 

[Godistruth1]

No, but such a question with those examples in mind reveals a level of Biblical illiteracy that shows very clearly that you don't even care about the actual answers anyway, so to try to explain the difference between, e.g., a parable (as our Lord's words are clearly stated to be in Luke 19:11 -- "Now as they had heard these things, He spoke another parable...") and what your own religion takes to be a divine, timeless, context-free demand is completely useless.

If you have any actual questions that come from wondering about the Bible, not mutilating it, feel free to ask those.

Are you saying whole bible is parable? So all violence in bible of dashing babies against the wall are parables? God tells you to keep virgins for him is parable?

 

[dzheremi]

Are you saying whole bible is parable? So all violence in bible of dashing babies against the wall are parables? God tells you to keep virgins for him is parable?

No, not everything in the Bible is a parable, of course. But when something is specifically introduced as being one, it looks very dishonest when you present it as though it is a literal command. I don't know if you just find individual verses out of context and then claim that they mean whatever you want them to mean, but that's not how to honestly engage with the text.

 

[Lost4words]

Well, watch this and see how small minded they are!

 

[Barney2.0]

Are you saying whole bible is parable? So all violence in bible of dashing babies against the wall are parables? God tells you to keep virgins for him is parable?

Those aren’t universal commands for violence, rather it’s the Bible recording a single event and retelling it as a tale.

 

[Barney2.0]

Well what Christians believe about implementation of capital punishment is none of our concern. If you were under Jewish law still would you kill homosexuals and stone adulterers and kill all non Christians as the OT commands?

Historically the Christians have never believed or followed Old Testament laws. Christians are to have no concern with political or worldly affairs.

 

[Barney2.0]

Its to be imposed by the Islamic government. I am not allowed to implement it on my own. There is no doubt that those who disrespect the prophet the punishment is death.

Does a dead man (who may not have existed) need to be defended with death? It shows how Muslims are afraid of criticism and shows you can’t handle blasphemy.

 

[Barney2.0]

Lol If I speak my mind here about Christianity I'm going to get banded while Christians here are free to say what they want about Islam and here you are speaking about intolerance.

Any person who speaks against the prophet will have to be tried under the Islamic government.

What's your view about Jesus telling his disciples to murder all those who don't want him to be king over them?

Your comparing getting banned on a forum to getting beheaded, crucified, lashed or worse. Furthermore you’ve posted thread after thread here without a single threat of getting banned. So your prophet must be defended with death if someone teases him, is he a child that can’t take criticism or what? Jesus saying to murder all those that don’t want him to be king over is a parable, which means that Jesus will punish all those who reject him in the afterlife, it’s not an actual command to murder.