LDS Mormon Prejudice against Mormons!

[Jane_Doe]

I did listen about the bible you said "I'm not going to insult it by accepting crap translations or pretending even the best translators are perfect." and then refuse to give any supporting evidence to back up your claim.

Do you want me to accept the NWT?
Do you want me to pretend that translation isn't a complex imperfect art?

 

[RoseCrystal]

Do you want me to accept the NWT?
Do you want me to pretend that translation isn't a complex imperfect art?

Again the NWT was produced in the 1960s Jospeh Smith warned about the bible in the 1800s so ummm, that still doesn't make any sense

 

[Jane_Doe]

Again the NWT was produced in the 1960s Jospeh Smith warned about the bible in the 1800s so ummm, that still doesn't make any sense

Answer the question:
Do you want me to accept the NWT?
Do you want me to pretend that translation isn't a complex imperfect art?

Until you say "yes" to either of these questions, you really have nothing to argue here.

 

[RoseCrystal]

Answer the question:
Do you want me to accept the NWT?
Do you want me to pretend that translation isn't a complex imperfect art?

Until you say "yes" to either of these questions, you really have nothing to argue here.

Seriously I already said that the NWT hardly counts as a bible translation, it was written by non christians in 1961, Joseph Smiths warnings about the bible came in 1842 - how do think the two are related at all?? Unless you want to claim that Jospeh Smith was specifically talking about the NWT that wasn't written for another 120 years???

This is ridiculous, I honestly can't believe this is your angle

 

[dzheremi]

Unless you want to claim that Jospeh Smith was specifically talking about the NWT that wasn't written for another 120 years???

Maybe he was a prophet after all! A prophet of 'crap' Bible translations.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Seriously I already said that the NWT hardly counts as a bible translation, it was written by non christians in 1961, Joseph Smiths warnings about the bible came in 1842 - how do think the two are related at all?? Unless you want to claim that Jospeh Smith was specifically talking about the NWT that wasn't written for another 120 years???

This is ridiculous, I honestly can't believe this is your angle

Because I'm talking about acknowledging the importance (and difficulty) of having good translation. This isn't specifically about NWT at all, it's just an example of an obvious neglect of that.

 

[RoseCrystal]

Because I'm talking about acknowledging the importance (and difficulty) of having good translation. This isn't specifically about NWT at all, it's just an example of an obvious neglect of that.

You need a credible example that speaks to the relevance of what Jospeh Smith said in 1842!

 

[Jane_Doe]

You need a credible example that speaks to the relevance of what Jospeh Smith said in 1842!

Do you think having a high quality translation wasn't important in 1842?

 

[RoseCrystal]

Maybe he was a prophet after all! A prophet of 'crap' Bible translations.

Thank you, I really needed a laugh!

 

[RoseCrystal]

Do you think having a high quality translation wasn't important in 1842?

I think once again you are avoiding the questions asked

 

[Jane_Doe]

I think once again you are avoiding the questions asked

Translation was important in 1842 (and 1642, 1942, etc). Hence LDS stressing of this.

Unless you want to say "translation quality wasn't important in 1842" your argument doesn't really have a point.

 

[RoseCrystal]

Translation was important in 1842 (and 1642, 1942, etc). Hence LDS stressing of this.

Unless you want to say "translation wasn't important important in 1842" your argument doesn't really have a point.

Talking in circles doesn't answer anything.

You say the translations of the bible can only be trusted - as far as translated correctly, you refuse to give ANY reference (except the NWT which doesn't count AT ALL as it was produced 120 years AFTER Joseph Smith said that)

You can't even give a single bible verse or real translation, and funnily enough the LDS church use the KJV which has plenty of word translation errors in it so I fail to understand what Joseph Smith was even on about when he said this, if it was translation that was so important and he was a seer and prophet of God surely he would have been able to see the errors in the KJV ("thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" off the top of my head). He at least shouldn't have copied them into the Book of Mormon.

All that being said, innocent single word translation or language errors in a translation hardly make said bible translation unreliable enough to put a caveat on how much to trust it in the LDS statement of beliefs. (just to be clear there is nothing innocent about the additional letters/words inserted into the NWT) But I'm getting sidetracked.

The Dead Sea scrolls prove we still have the original language and translations of the books in the bible.

Do you accept an interlinear translation of the Dead Sea scrolls as the credible, infallible, word of God?
Or do you think there is something wrong with that translation as well?

 

[Rescued One]

I. Do. Believe. The. Bible. Every. Word.

I've said this a million times now.

Why do you contradict it then?

 

[Rescued One]

Answer the question:
Do you want me to accept the NWT?
Do you want me to pretend that translation isn't a complex imperfect art?

Until you say "yes" to either of these questions, you really have nothing to argue here.

And you?

 

[Rescued One]

Because I'm talking about acknowledging the importance (and difficulty) of having good translation. This isn't specifically about NWT at all, it's just an example of an obvious neglect of that.

Kind of like the so-called JST.

 

[He is the way]

I did listen about the bible you said "I'm not going to insult it by accepting crap translations or pretending even the best translators are perfect." and then refuse to give any supporting evidence to back up your claim.

Here is some evidence of bad translation of the Bible:
http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAB121-1.pdf

 

[He is the way]

Kind of like the so-called JST.

What is wrong with the JST?

 

[drstevej]

What is wrong with the JST?

Did Joseph Smith know Greek? Otherwise it is not a translation. Romans 8:29-30 demonstrates Smith's bending text to suit his preconceptions.

 

[He is the way]

Did Joseph Smith know Greek? Otherwise it is not a translation. Romans 8:29-30 demonstrates Smith's bending text to suit his preconceptions.

It was given to Joseph Smith by revelation through the Holy Ghost.

How about these:

(New Testament | Hebrews 6:1)

1 THEREFORE leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

JST (Hebrews 6:1)

1 THEREFORE not leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

(New Testament | Luke 2:46)

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

JST (Luke 2:46)

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, they were hearing him, and asking him questions.

(New Testament | Matthew 2:6)

6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

JST (Matthew 2:6)

6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come the Messiah, who shall save my people Israel.

 

[drstevej]

He is the Way please translate this for me

διο αφεντες τον της αρχης του χριστου λογον επι την τελειοτητα φερωμεθα μη παλιν θεμελιον καταβαλλομενοι μετανοιας απο νεκρων εργων και πιστεως επι θεον

I have started a new thread for you since we need to stay on topic in this thread.