Matt 24:20 Pray your flight not be on a sabbath or in winter

[Ken Rank]

Thank you for respectively answering, as I don't really keep up with Judaism that much.

So what would the 14th day of the 4th month be symbolizing when Titus laid siege to Jerusalem? Preparation day?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover

This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months,
the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?" After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory.

There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection. Titus now gave orders that those Jews only who resisted should be slain ; but the soldiers, equally void of pity and remorse, slew even the sick and the aged.
The robbers and seditious were all punished with death : the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.

After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale

Nisan is considered the first of months, at least in terms of the feast calendar. So, the 14th of the first month would be Passover... the 4th month doesn't have the same meaning.

 

[Dave Watchman]

This has already happened, there is no "Judea" these days.

I think there is, i think i'm there now. But i don't mind if you don't. It looks like a play on words to me, the duTillet is the key. The Hebrew version of Matthew reads in Judah. Those who are in Judah, like Lion of the Tribe of. Hugh Shonfield figured it out in 1927. There's a free one at torahresource, which someone scanned the whole book at a library, but i downloaded a kindle for PC version for the reading pleasure.

https://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/Schonfield.pdf

I was reading around and found that some of the early church fathers thought Matthew was the only NT book written in Hebrew. Translated to Greek and to English. The duTillet is the only version that has a complete list of names for the genealogies at the start.

From Wiki:

"The name Judea is a Greek and Roman adaptation of the name "Judah", which originally encompassed the territory of the Israelite tribe of that name and later of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.

"The name originates from the Hebrew name "Yehudah", a son of the Jewish patriarch Jacob/Israel, and Yehudah's progeny forming the biblical Israelite tribe of Judah (Yehudah) and later the associated Kingdom of Judah, which the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia dates from 934 until 586 BCE.[2]

The Judean Hills

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Judea_1_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

Not too much going on there.

"In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.​

Those who are in Jesus, the Lion of the Tribe of, pray that your flight be not in winter or on the Sabbath.

“If you love me,
you will keep my commandments.
​

 

[brian57]

Just google A Sabbath days Journey.

It's rather interesting and here is one of many that I found.

The distance it was supposed that the law allowed a man to walk on the Sabbath; the rabbis, by means of a forced and unnatural interpretation of Ex. 16:29, fixed this at 2,000 cubits, being the distance between the Ark and the people during the march in the wilderness (Josh. 3:4), and also, according to tradition, the distance between the tabernacle and the furthest part of the camp. See also Acts 1:12.

 

[mmksparbud]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark only mentions winter:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter
19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Jesus kept the Sabbath as the commandment says. He just disregarded the instructions of the Rabbis as they were an imposition on God's law. It was they who said you could only take so many steps on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is still to be kept, just like the rest of the 10 commandments, nothing has changed. They do not save you--but you will not enter into the presence of God willfully disobeying any of the 10. They are commandments, not suggestions. There are 10 not 9 and the 4th changed to another day by man---Jesus never said to keep Sunday in honor of His resurrection---Jesus never pointed to Himself. The Sabbath is in honor of creation week--not for the Jews only, they point to His creative powers. The Sabbath is not a "shadow of things to come" as some have suggested, it points backwards, not forwards and if it did that would still mean it is to be kept and it will still be kept throughout eternity.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

 

[BABerean2]

The Sabbath is still to be kept, just like the rest of the 10 commandments, nothing has changed.

Have you ever heard of the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8?

Below we find a clear contrast between the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant of Christ.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
(This would be Mount Sinai.)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


The New Covenant: Bob George

We are under the law of Christ, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.
It is a higher standard.
Jesus said if you even look at a woman with lust, you have committed adultery.

There are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

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[DamianWarS]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark only mentions winter:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter
19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

The Sabbath and winter are not practical times to travel. During the sabbath everything is closed up so you wouldn't be able to buy anything and it would be hard to find a place to eat or sleep. And during the winter it's cold and things are not very plentiful. I don't think there is any spiritual application here it's just practical.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Have you ever heard of the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8?

Below we find a clear contrast between the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant of Christ.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
(This would be Mount Sinai.)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


The New Covenant: Bob George

We are under the law of Christ, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.
It is a higher standard.
Jesus said if you even look at a woman with lust, you have committed adultery.

There are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

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Have you ever heard of this one:

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

Notice it doesn't say that you won't get to go,
just that you won't shine too bright.

"Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. - BaBerean Study Bible​

People know it in their gut that they should rest on the Sabbath, they just don't want to do it. People would rather assemble a team of theologians to make a legal argument against having to keep the Sabbath. No different than when the king of Israel had to lock the gates on the Sabbath in an attempt to get people to observe it. That king knew that they were about to get in deep trouble for breaking it.

"When evening shadows fell on the gates of Jerusalem before the Sabbath, I ordered the doors to be shut and not opened until the Sabbath was over. I stationed some of my own men at the gates so that no load could be brought in on the Sabbath day.​

 

[mmksparbud]

Have you ever heard of the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8?

Below we find a clear contrast between the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant of Christ.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
(This would be Mount Sinai.)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


The New Covenant: Bob George

We are under the law of Christ, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.
It is a higher standard.
Jesus said if you even look at a woman with lust, you have committed adultery.

There are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

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Yes---that's the one where the Levitical laws were all done away with--do you feel that you can enter into the presence of God by willfully murdering, lying, stealing, taking His name in vain, dishonoring your parents, coveting, making graven images and worshipping them, baring false witness or refusing to honor His 4th commandment? Or is it just the 4th you have a problem with--the one He said to remember?

 

[BABerean2]

Have you ever heard of this one:

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Notice it doesn't say that you won't get to go,
just that you won't shine too bright.

Any Christian who teaches others to break the 10 commandments cannot be following the commandments of Christ.

However, the Sinai covenant is a lower standard, based on the words of Jesus found below.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

In Colossians 2:16-17 Paul says that Christ is the Sabbath.
Paul said the sabbath day was merely the shadow.

Some of us cannot let go of the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31. They have failed to "cast out" the "bondwoman".

They ignore the fact that we are not come to the "mountain that burns with fire" in Hebrews 12:18.
They have failed to embrace the New Covenant found in Hebrews 12:22-24.

In Galatians 3:16-29 Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Your Bible says the same thing.

The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath

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[mmksparbud]

The Sabbath and winter are not practical times to travel. During the sabbath everything is closed up so you wouldn't be able to buy anything and it would be hard to find a place to eat or sleep. And during the winter it's cold and things are not very plentiful. I don't think there is any spiritual application here it's just practical.

If you were leaving on the Sabbath, you don't need to buy anything nor a place to sleep--you are running for your lives and you are not carrying anything, only the clothes on your back. This is talking about leaving Judaea. Gates were closed to not allow loads--when you flee you are not loaded with stuff. They were to flee into the mountains--nothing to be closed, but if you flee in the winter, obviously would make things difficult and too cold to find appropriate shelter, warmer weather you ca hide better and not leaving any tracks if there is snow. The reason not to leave on the sabbath is obviously to not break it.

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

 

[mmksparbud]

Any Christian who teaches others to break the 10 commandments cannot be following the commandments of Christ.

However, the Sinai covenant is a lower standard, based on the words of Jesus found below.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

In Colossians 2:16-17 Paul says that Christ is the Sabbath.
Paul said the sabbath day was merely the shadow.

Some of us cannot let go of the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31. They have failed to "cast out" the "bondwoman".

They ignore the fact that we are not come to the "mountain that burns with fire" in Hebrews 12:18.
They have failed to embrace the New Covenant found in Hebrews 12:22-24.

In Galatians 3:16-29 Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Your Bible says the same thing.

The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath

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LOL---you say it is a lower standard than point to Jesus clarifying that it is a higher standard than merely not committing adultery. He did not say in this discourse anything about adultery not being a sin, He enlarged on it, He never even hinted that it was no longer to be adhered to.


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The handwriting of ordinances are the ceremonial laws--not the 10 commandments. The ceremonial laws were kept outside the ark, the 10 were kept inside the ark.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

All Jewish feasts were called sabbaths--there is only one called THE Sabbath. The feasts were all a shadow of things to come--Jesus being the fulfillment---the Sabbath was never a shadow, but pointed back--to the creator, which is pointing back to Jesus Himself, for it is He that created all things

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus called the ordinances the laws of Moses, the 10 are the law of God. And it was Jesus own finger that wrote them. God/Jesus did not dictate the 10 to Moses but wrote them Himself, in stone, (twice), a permanent record, Moses wrote the others onto scrolls.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Has anyone ever considered that Jesus, rather than actually praying for something, was simply trying to express the seriousness of what He was saying? To express just what the conditions would be like in a way the listeners could understand and relate to?

He was talking about the last days for the old covenant with Israel, the days leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem and what those days would be like...

When sharing with, say, a Muslim, the message of salvation, You would speak differently than you would to a cultural Christian who has left the faith. Different understandings of God, of scripture, of the world around them cause an absolute necessity to emphasise different things about faith in Christ Jesus leading to salvation.

The same thought process would have been the case during the Olivet Discourse. He was speaking to Jews, with a Jewish understanding of the world. That means He wouldn't need to express the distance in say, miles, so much as in terms of Sabbath travel. This may have been similar to a Hillbilly saying "You better pray to God you can run til your blue in the face and still keep on running because your life depends on it!"

In short, that may have been a means to express His point - they'll have to go far far away to stay safe.

What we know for a fact, is that the Jewish Christians DID in fact escape Jerusalem in plenty of time to reach Pella safely.. and those who didn't belong to Jesus, never left and died in the siege.

What Jesus did, was express the importance for His people to heed the danger they would be in, and they did just that. Praise God.

I don't believe we can take as exact literal every word spoken by Jesus, we have to look at the point He was trying to get across to best understand what He was saying. And here, the point beong discussed was one concerning travelling to safety prior to the destruction of Jerusalem..

Not whether or not we'd still need to be following the law of Moses after He was crucified. For that question the topic would have been approached differently.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Any Christian who teaches others to break the 10 commandments cannot be following the commandments of Christ.

However, the Sinai covenant is a lower standard, based on the words of Jesus found below.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

In Colossians 2:16-17 Paul says that Christ is the Sabbath.
Paul said the sabbath day was merely the shadow.

Some of us cannot let go of the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31. They have failed to "cast out" the "bondwoman".

They ignore the fact that we are not come to the "mountain that burns with fire" in Hebrews 12:18.
They have failed to embrace the New Covenant found in Hebrews 12:22-24.

In Galatians 3:16-29 Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Your Bible says the same thing.

The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath

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We are under the law of Christ,

The Law of Christ?

Let me google it.

From Wiki:

"The law of Christ" (ὁ νόμος τοῦ Χριστοῦ) is a New Testament phrase of uncertain meaning, found only in the Pauline Epistles at Galatians 6:2[1] and parenthetically (ἔννομος Χριστῷ "being under the law to Christ") at 1 Corinthians 9:21.

The majority Christian theology, known as supersessionism, states that this either "replaces" or "completes" or "fulfills" the previous Law of Moses of the Hebrew Bible.​

A New Testament phrase of uncertain meaning.

I'll tell you what the "Law of Christ" is.

The Law of Christ is the Decalogue.

That's right, the One He gave to Moses on the Mountain.

Jesus was the God of the Old Testament. Jesus created the heavens and the earth and all them that dwell therein.

"For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink.

"For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.​

And that Rock was Christ.

So when Jesus says:

"If you love Me,
you will keep My Commandments.​

He is talking about the Ones He gave to Moses, the Ten, the Decalogue.

"And the wise among the people shall make many understand,
though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame,
by captivity and plunder.
​

And those who turn many to righteousness.

As bright as the stars forever and ever.

"Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city. - Revelation 22:14​

"Pray that your flight not be in winter or on the Sabbath. - Jesus

 

[BABerean2]

LOL---you say it is a lower standard than point to Jesus clarifying that it is a higher standard than merely not committing adultery. He did not say in this discourse anything about adultery not being a sin, He enlarged on it, He never even hinted that it was no longer to be adhered to.


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The handwriting of ordinances are the ceremonial laws--not the 10 commandments. The ceremonial laws were kept outside the ark, the 10 were kept inside the ark.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

All Jewish feasts were called sabbaths--there is only one called THE Sabbath. The feasts were all a shadow of things to come--Jesus being the fulfillment---the Sabbath was never a shadow, but pointed back--to the creator, which is pointing back to Jesus Himself, for it is He that created all things

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus called the ordinances the laws of Moses, the 10 are the law of God. And it was Jesus own finger that wrote them. God/Jesus did not dictate the 10 to Moses but wrote them Himself, in stone, (twice), a permanent record, Moses wrote the others onto scrolls.

You can throw in an LOL, and then ignore 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Galatians 3:16-29, and Galatians 4:24-31, and Hebrews 8:13, and Hebrews 12:18, in an attempt to make the doctrine of the Judaisers work.

We see in the verse below that the 10 commandments are the Sinai Covenant.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

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1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark only mentions winter:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter
19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Jesus is warning that they will have to really flee...and fast...the Sabbath doesn't allow for this. However, I believe these passages are meant only to give the hearer the knowledge of the deepness of the distress they might face...it is a "watch!" warning again...be watchful and not complacent. The two accounts are not too surprisingly different and in my view it is only another "Watch!" warning so doesn't matter the specific picture given...all will be unknown to them so be prepared for the worse.
I am not totally convinced this is only the Temple destruction being warned against so much as the end of the world...Judgement Day.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I am not totally convinced this is only the Temple destruction being warned against so much as the end of the world...Judgement Day.

Even if these passages are rather speaking of both events with the early Christians being the forerunner (?) (Sorry I cant think of the right word) to the Day of Judgement, how it would apply to us is so different I'm not seeing how the warning computes.

Now, in this time, each individual Christian is the Temple of God. "Jerusalem" transcends the world/is a spiritual city....

Our escape then, would be an escape from the world.. something we live in while not being a part of as Christians.. So to "escape" would be speaking of the necessity of people coming to a saving knowledge of Christ before the Day of Judgement.

Which we have plenty of warnings for, continually even now. "Come out of her My people" is uttered daily by His church...

So honestly I'm not sure how a warning worded this way makes sense to say for us other than to give us the comfort of knowing that no matter what happens, if we heed God's warnings we will be saved.

And we do have complete confidence in that..

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Even if these passages are rather speaking of both events with the early Christians being the forerunner (?) (Sorry I cant think of the right word) to the Day of Judgement, how it would apply to us is so different I'm not seeing how the warning computes.

Now, in this time, each individual Christian is the Temple of God. "Jerusalem" transcends the world/is a spiritual city....

Our escape then, would be an escape from the world.. something we live in while not being a part of as Christians.. So to "escape" would be speaking of the necessity of people coming to a saving knowledge of Christ before the Day of Judgement.

Which we have plenty of warnings for, continually even now. "Come out of her My people" is uttered daily by His church...

So honestly I'm not sure how a warning worded this way makes sense to say for us other than to give us the comfort of knowing that no matter what happens, if we heed God's warnings we will be saved.

And we do have complete confidence in that..

Not certain I'm following all of your thinking, however, part of it I do. One does not always interpret literally nor does one always interpret "spiritually"...so to speak. We receive our cues from the context given. Matthew 24 is full of end-time teachings and it is calls out many warnings.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Not certain I'm following all of your thinking, however, part of it I do. One does not always interpret literally nor does one always interpret "spiritually"...so to speak. We receive our cues from the context given. Matthew 24 is full of end-time teachings and it is calls out many warnings.

Yet since the physical the warning pertained to is fulfilled, we have left only the spiritual.

Otherwise, your saying the entire message of Christianity is worthless...

A discussion for another time perhaps.

 

[iamlamad]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark only mentions winter:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter
19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Of course, the land area that used to be called "Judea" still exists, and there are many of Jacob's descendants living in that area. When they see the abomination take place, they will flee, as shown in Rev. 12:6.

Paul tells us what they will see: the man of sin will enter the most holy place in the temple, and declare that he is the God of the Jews. Without much doubt, this will be shown around the world on cameras. And those living in Judea will see in on their TVs, for it will, without a doubt, be broadcast far and wide.

So for those that know Jesus' words, they will take off running, fast, out into the wilderness. "Experts" believe their goal and destination will be the city of Petra. They will have to cover over 120 miles to get there, if that is their destination. It will be rough going and they will probably stay OFF the roads where military people could pick them off.

Now, why pray for it to NOT be on the sabbath? It is very simple: most of those fleeing will still believe they are under the law and running would be against the law!

With God NOTHING is impossible, so if people pray, God can change it so it will not happen on a Sabbath.

The answer then, is plain and simple: they are sticklers for following the letter of the law. If this took place on a Sabbath, they would not flee but stay, and lose their lives.

 

[mkgal1]

Matthew 24 is full of end-time teachings and it is calls out many warnings.

The "end times" that Matthew 24 is in reference to were the end of the Jewish/Temple age - not the end of the world.