Matt 24:20 Pray your flight not be on a sabbath or in winter

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath/σαββάτῳ<4521>
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark only mentions winter:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter
19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Remember Genesis 1 - 3 , etc .....

Jesus perfectly knows Yahweh's Plan and Purpose and Instructions
and
Jesus ALWAYS SPOKE THE FATHER'S WORD, not His Own.

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Remember Genesis 1 - 3 , etc .....
Jesus perfectly knows Yahweh's Plan and Purpose and Instructions
and
Jesus ALWAYS SPOKE THE FATHER'S WORD, not His Own.

Truly thou speakest words of wisdom.
Now on to the topic at hand............

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus knows the Father's heart and commands and instructions.....

on the Sabbath would interfere with much of Yahweh's people's lives intimately and grievously.

(just like in (the cold of) winter would be physically a hardship for many)

Truly thou speakest words of wisdom.
Now on to the topic at hand............

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok, I am still trying to figure out the Sabbath angle.

In the meantime, Matt, Mark and Luke also mention woe to the Jews who give suck and are with child in those days.
Keep in mind, Jesus is speaking to a 1st century Jewish audience here, not Gentiles.....

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter......

Luke 21:23
But woe to those having in womb, and to the ones nursing in those days.
For there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people.

This is the only place in the NT that the phrase "Daughters of Jerusalem" is mentioned!

Luke 23:28
But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem,
do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jesus knows the Father's heart and commands and instructions.....

on the Sabbath would interfere with much of Yahweh's people's lives intimately and grievously.

(just like in (the cold of) winter would be physically a hardship for many)

Ahhhh. Thanks for that clarification........Good info.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

100% ! no angle. no hidden agenda. no subtlety and no subterfuge in the TRUTH.

Ok, I am still trying to figure out the Sabbath angle.

 

[mkgal1]

Duplicate

 

[mkgal1]

Something I just found related to this:


-----> Quoting from this link: http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-great-tribulation-of-matthew-24/

Matthew 24:20-22, Messiah warned about the coming time of Great Tribulation, which Daniel had foretold:

“And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.“

Note: The command for the saints to flee Judea is very specific to the saints in the first century, and can’t apply to saints in the end times where there is no Judea. Praying that their flight would not be on the Sabbath applies to the first century, when the Jewish leaders would have closed the city gates and prohibited walking out of the city; which does not apply to the end times.

Then in Matthew 24:34 Messiah told us that all of the things that He just proclaimed would be fulfilled in that generation:

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

ETA:

Nehemiah 13:19 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)~
19 When it began to be dark at the gates of Jerusalem before the sabbath, I commanded that the doors should be shut and gave orders that they should not be opened until after the sabbath. And I set some of my servants over the gates, to prevent any burden from being brought in on the sabbath day.​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Something I just found related to this:


-----> Quoting from this link: http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-great-tribulation-of-matthew-24/

Matthew 24:20-22, Messiah warned about the coming time of Great Tribulation, which Daniel had foretold:

“And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.“

Note: The command for the saints to flee Judea is very specific to the saints in the first century, and can’t apply to saints in the end times where there is no Judea. Praying that their flight would not be on the Sabbath applies to the first century, when the Jewish leaders would have closed the city gates and prohibited walking out of the city; which does not apply to the end times.

Then in Matthew 24:34 Messiah told us that all of the things that He just proclaimed would be fulfilled in that generation:

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Nice post and I am in agreement with you there on Matt, Mark and Luke being about the 1st century Jews.

I do have a question.
Could the Passover be considered a type of Sabbath?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah ! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival.

How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.
Nevertheless, the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts, so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance ; and, according to Josephus this event took place suddenly ; thus, not only fulfilling the predictions of our LORD, that these calamities should come, like the swift-darting lightning" that cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the West,.....................

Matthew 24:
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:

 

[jgr]

Something I just found related to this:


-----> Quoting from this link: http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-great-tribulation-of-matthew-24/

Matthew 24:20-22, Messiah warned about the coming time of Great Tribulation, which Daniel had foretold:

“And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.“

Note: The command for the saints to flee Judea is very specific to the saints in the first century, and can’t apply to saints in the end times where there is no Judea. Praying that their flight would not be on the Sabbath applies to the first century, when the Jewish leaders would have closed the city gates and prohibited walking out of the city; which does not apply to the end times.

Then in Matthew 24:34 Messiah told us that all of the things that He just proclaimed would be fulfilled in that generation:

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

There is a vast quantity of scriptural and historical confirmation of Jesus' prophecies.

 

[Ken Rank]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

Matthew 24:
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark only mentions winter:

Mark 13:
17 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter
19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Because the Sabbath is the day of rest and having to "run from destruction" isn't exactly resting. And he knew the Sabbath wasn't going to be done away with or else he wouldn't have made this statement.

 

[Ken Rank]

I do have a question.
Could the Passover be considered a type of Sabbath?

Depends, that word is used many different ways. Here they are....

1. It means the sacrificial animal itself, the "pesach" (passover) is the lamb itself.

2. It means the 14th of Nisan... which is not a Sabbath, it is a preparation day before the High Sabbath which begins when the sun goes down on he 14th... the first night of Unleavened Bread.

3. Passover is also culturally referring to the entire week of Unleavened Bread. Something might be "kosher for Passover" but "Passover" is the day the lambs died (the 14th) and the lambs themselves... but because the pesach wasn't consumed by the families until after sundown... it was no longer the 14th, but now the 15th and the first day of 7 in Unleavened Bread. So, the because of this crossover in time, Jews began calling the whole week Passover (we even see this in the NT) when the Torah (where we find the commandments pertaining to the feasts) never calls the whole week "Passover."

So... I said it depends. If you are referring to the whole week which includes two high Sabbaths and one weekly Sabbath and it all is set apart and testifying of the sinlessness of messiah (the unleavened bread points to this) then sure... one might see that picture.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NM......

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There is a vast quantity of scriptural and historical confirmation of Jesus' prophecies.

Also, realize, false prophets and false teachings outnumber true teachers and true teachings over 1000 to 1 . (not available for debate or whatever concerning this on this forum though) ......

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Depends, that word is used many different ways. Here they are....

1. It means the sacrificial animal itself, the "pesach" (passover) is the lamb itself.

2. It means the 14th of Nisan... which is not a Sabbath, it is a preparation day before the High Sabbath which begins when the sun goes down on he 14th... the first night of Unleavened Bread.

3. Passover is also culturally referring to the entire week of Unleavened Bread. Something might be "kosher for Passover" but "Passover" is the day the lambs died (the 14th) and the lambs themselves... but because the pesach wasn't consumed by the families until after sundown... it was no longer the 14th, but now the 15th and the first day of 7 in Unleavened Bread. So, the because of this crossover in time, Jews began calling the whole week Passover (we even see this in the NT) when the Torah (where we find the commandments pertaining to the feasts) never calls the whole week "Passover."

So... I said it depends. If you are referring to the whole week which includes two high Sabbaths and one weekly Sabbath and it all is set apart and testifying of the sinlessness of messiah (the unleavened bread points to this) then sure... one might see that picture.

Thank you for respectively answering, as I don't really keep up with Judaism that much.

So what would the 14th day of the 4th month be symbolizing when Titus laid siege to Jerusalem? Preparation day?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover

This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months,
the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?" After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory.

There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection. Titus now gave orders that those Jews only who resisted should be slain ; but the soldiers, equally void of pity and remorse, slew even the sick and the aged.
The robbers and seditious were all punished with death : the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.

After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale

 

[jgr]

Also, realize, false prophets and false teachings outnumber true teachers and true teachings over 1000 to 1 . (not available for debate or whatever concerning this on this forum though) ......

Agreed. Confirmed by the teachings of the overwhelming number of prophets that are seen and heard on and in today's Christian media.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Also, realize, false prophets and false teachings outnumber true teachers and true teachings over 1000 to 1 . (not available for debate or whatever concerning this on this forum though) ......

Interesting statistics and I can almost believe it.
This was also said to the 1st century Jews before 70ad. [I don't want to get too much off the topic of the thread concerning the Sabbath mentioned in the Olivet Discourse]

Mat 24:24
for there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and they shall give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, also the chosen.
Mar 13:22
for there shall rise false Christs and false prophets, and they shall give signs and wonders, to seduce, if possible, also the chosen;

Josephus recounts a few instances of those here:

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm


From Josephus it appears that in the first century before the destruction of the Temple a number of Messiahs arose promising relief from the Roman yoke, and finding ready followers.
Josephus speaks of them thus: "Another body of wicked men also sprung up, cleaner in their hands, but more wicked in their intentions, who destroyedthe peace of the city no less than did these murderers [the Sicarii].
For they were deceivers and deluders of the people, and, under pretense of divine illumination, were for innovations and changes, and prevailed on the multitude to act like madmen, and went before them in the wilderness, pretending that God would there show them signs of liberty" (Josephus, "B. J." ii. 13, §; 4; idem, "Ant." xx. 8, §; 6). Matt. xxiv. 24, warning against "false Christs and false prophets," gives testimony to the same effect. Thus about 44, Josephus reports, a certain impostor, Theudas, who claimed to be a prophet, appeared and urged the people to follow him with their belongings to the Jordan, which he would divide for them.
According to Acts v. 36 (which seems to refer to a different date), he secured about 400 followers. Cuspius Fadus sent a troop of horsemen after him and his band, slew many of them, and took captive others, together with their leader, beheading the latter ("Ant." xx. 5, § 1).

Another, an Egyptian, is said to have gathered together 30,000 adherents, whom he summoned to the Mount of Olives, opposite Jerusalem, promising that at his command the walls of Jerusalem would fall down, and that he and his followers would enter and possess themselves of the city.
But Felix, the procurator (c. 55-60), met the throng with his soldiery. The prophet escaped, but those with him were killed or taken, and the multitude dispersed (ib. xx. 8, § 6; "B. J." ii. 13, § 5; see also Acts xxi. 38). Another, whom Josephus styles an impostor, promised the people "deliverance and freedom from their miseries" if they would follow him to the wilderness. Both leader and followers were killed by the troops of Festus, the procurator (60-62; "Ant." xx. 8, § 10).

Even when Jerusalem was already in process of destruction by the Romans, a prophet, according to Josephus suborned by the defenders to keep the people from deserting announced that God commanded them to come to the Temple, there to receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Those who came met death in the flames ("B. J." vi. 5, § 3).

 

[Dave Watchman]

What is the reason Jesus is telling the Jews to pray their flight doesn't happen on a sabbath, which would be between Friday evening thru Saturday evening?

I think it's interesting to read what the people are saying about this. I wish we could figure it out before it happens.

I think something bad is going to happen. And when it happens, it's either going to be winter or summer, either on a Saturday or after sundown into Sunday depending on where one lives. Because this will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole Earth.

We might be having a heatwave right now, but other places are having record cold.

Record Cold in Australia.

Luke pulls the AofD out of chapter 21 and puts it into chapter 17 after the mention of the "days of Lot".

And then He brings up the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

And then He says the day, "ON THAT DAY".

"On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.​

On what day? The day that fire rains from Heaven. Sudden destruction.

And then the same instructions to flee to the mountains as Matthew did after mentioning the Abomination.

Sorry for the unpopular view.

 

[mkgal1]

I think it's interesting to read what the people are saying about this. I wish we could figure it out before it happens.

I think something bad is going to happen. And when it happens, it's either going to be winter or summer, either on a Saturday or after sundown into Sunday depending on where one lives. Because this will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole Earth.

This has already happened, there is no "Judea" these days.