When Do You Forgive?

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What does forgiving look like to you guys?What would not forging look like? Also, would you hold a grudge against the person who you didn't forgive?

I guess what I am trying to say is we are to still love people, even if they sin against us. So, what would be the affect on our behaviour, if we hadn't forgiven someone?
 
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The Lord tells us that we must forgive someone who has repented of their sin:

[3] Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him;
[4] and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, `I repent,' you must forgive him." Luke 17:3-4 RSV

However, there are those who think you should forgive before someone repents. What do you think?
Forgiveness happens within the heart first before it can happen anywhere else. Parables are spoken of people in monetary dept that
 
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The Lord tells us that we must forgive someone who has repented of their sin:

[3] Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him;
[4] and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, `I repent,' you must forgive him." Luke 17:3-4 RSV

However, there are those who think you should forgive before someone repents. What do you think?
Jesus forgave us before we were even born...
 
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I think in one Gospel the Lord says IF you do not forgive others their sins, neither will my Father in heaven forgive you. The wisest and safest course for a clean conscience before God is to forgive no matter what. God is not involved in your petty quarrels. You know that God will set the whole thing right in heaven where enemies embrace one another all the time. And you cannot pretend that you are righteous even if you have been sinned against. God is very tender, but He prefers the humble forgiving soul to the self righteous. And He also prefers the tender and merciful.
 
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The Lord tells us that we must forgive someone who has repented of their sin:

[3] Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him;
[4] and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, `I repent,' you must forgive him." Luke 17:3-4 RSV

However, there are those who think you should forgive before someone repents. What do you think?
We must love our enemies even though they do not repent.
 
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If someone comes to your door every day and kicks you in the shin, would you continue to open the door for him?
70 times 7. Welcome to exactly what we do to the Lord. Blessed is the man who is reviled and attacked for the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Secondly if the man has that much ought against you you should seek his forgiveness. Thirdly forgive, forbear, the fight is not yours give it to the Lord. the Lord is not likely to allow his child to just be beaten and disrespected for no reason. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord. Love those who persecute you and that hates you and pray for them.

Jesus said that the servant is not ever going to be more important than the master and if even he is going to be handed up to the world and reviled so will his servants. It is also written, that before any of us even knew to love the Lord the Lord had loved us and had compassion on us, and was sent to forgive the sins of all men. The Forgiveness of sins is freely out there. Only those who accept this forgiveness are the ones who are forgave but the forgiveness is already there. he already forgave even those who are going to come against him including the very ones that put him on the cross.
 
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our child forgives when kids at school hurt her
past yr a boy was kicking her everyday and never told me

finally she told me and told her to tell him to stop
he would not so I said next time, kick him back
she did and he stopped, Finally

should she have just let it go on the whole yr and forgive him over and over and over?
About 2003, I was walking to a grocery store to buy a Sunday paper. I looked back and saw a group of three teenagers rapidly walking towards me. They appeared capable of doing violence. I asked, "What do you want?." One of them said, "Money." I surrendered the cash from my wallet. I knew I had to give them all my money. They let me keep my wallet and ran away. A retired bricklayer in that neighborhood was confronted by robbers. He put up his fists and tried to fight. They kicked him until he was unconscious. He died in the hospital a couple of days later.

If I would have hit back, the robbers may have tried to kill me. I forgave the loss of the money. I did not know who they were and did not consider pressing charges. A few more bad incidents and I moved to a safer community.

Gandhi said, "If it is an eye for an eye, the whole world will become blind."
 
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They appeared capable of doing violence. I asked, "What do you want?." One of them said, "Money." I surrendered the cash from my wallet. I knew I had to give them all my money. They let me keep my wallet and ran away.

sounds like you judged the situation right at the time

I have been kicked, slapped in the face, and punched to the ground by males (3 different instances)

it was required at one of my jobs to take self-defense but we were also taught to first leave any situation if threatened; I did leave when one client got agitated
 
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If you refuse to open the door, then it would seem to me you haven't really forgiven them.
If I refuse to open the door then the gift of forgivness is not mine.
That is correct.
Nobody can force forgiveness upon another, and nobody can take it where it is not offered either.
As with everything in God it is about the consumation of a relationship between one person and another.
 
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No, we are only required to forgive, it doesn't matter if the person ever know it or not.
It's a commandment......"Do unto others"
If the forgivness is offered, if I have determined that no penalty remains to be paid and I have resolved to forget the wrong doing, then my part in the relationship is complete.
If, however, the person I have forgiven refuses to accept what is offered they remain guilty and take the inevitable judgement upon themselves, even though I do not will for that to happen.
 
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As with everything in God it is about the consumation of a relationship between one person and another.

sometimes people may never see the person again who hurt them but still need to forgive in order to move on with their lives

there was a woman in our town who said she forgave the person who murdered her daughter and now she's raising her grandchild
she didn't want to hold any bitterness in her heart
 
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The Lord tells us that we must forgive someone who has repented of their sin:

[3] Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him;
[4] and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, `I repent,' you must forgive him." Luke 17:3-4 RSV

However, there are those who think you should forgive before someone repents. What do you think?
Question: "Who was forgiveness designed for?"

In the Lords prayer we ask to be "...forgiven our trespasses as we are to forgive those who trespass against us." Are we instructed to place a restriction on who we are forgiving? Does the prayer say, "...forgive "only those Christian believers" who trespass against us? Or did Jesus instruct us to forgive anyone who trespasses against us anywhere, anytime, for any sin? In the context of where this is in the Bible and what it is referring to it would seem that we are to forgive those whose trespass is forgivable. Listen to the Holy Spirit in you.

If you need to be more scripture specific; Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. I have heard some argue that Jesus was speaking only of the Jews who gave Him over for execution, or to the Gentiles who had accepted that He was the Christ yet had not done what He told them to do. But right there we get a clear picture that Jesus was looking at his Roman jailers when He said those awesome words. Father, forgive them..., was not said for believers. It was directed toward those who were casting lots for his raiment. The Romans. Still, listen to the Holy Spirit in you.

We are to use forgiveness as a beacon toward salvation for the lost? When Jesus says to forgive I ask where do you ever hear that he is putting up a blockade for the doors to salvation because the person is a sinner? After all, isn't that who forgiveness was designed for? But, at the same time does our forgiveness extend to Satan? Are we to forgiven those who follow Satan knowing full well who Jesus is and who reject Him out of hatred and evil intent? Do we forgive those who knew what they were doing and who relished and had joy in their evil? Still, listen to the Holy Spirit in you and be discerning in following Christ and knowing scripture.
 
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The Lord tells us that we must forgive someone who has repented of their sin:

[3] Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him;
[4] and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, `I repent,' you must forgive him." Luke 17:3-4 RSV

However, there are those who think you should forgive before someone repents. What do you think?

On Forgiveness

At the heart of the Lord’s Prayer is this line: “Forgive us our sins as we forgive others.” It is a command with a terrible consequence if we do not forgive. So we had best learn how to be good forgivers.

In my work as a Christian therapist, I am constantly involved in a process of conflict resolution which seeks forgiveness. I must say that forgiveness is a much more complex matter than any brief comment can address. For example, here are five points that often are glossed over, leading to later problems.

First, forgiveness is not the same as tolerance. We can only forgive what people actually do wrong. Forgiveness is not giving someone a pass. Tolerance is saying that it was not really wrong what they did, which would not be forgiveness at all; in fact, it would be a lie if they really did do wrong. Giving someone a pass would then be enabling and even encouraging them to do it again.

Second, you and I only have responsibility (and even the power) to forgive what people do to hurt us. If they hurt other people who are strangers to us, then it is not our place to forgive, but neither can we hold a grudge against them; it is none of our business, it is between them and who they hurt, and God. On the other hand, we don’t have to be stupid and allow them to also hurt us; we may have to take measures to protect ourselves and our families (or our nation) from violent people who seek us harm.

Third, forgiving does not necessarily mean trusting. Once trust is broken, the offending party must earn the trust back by trustworthiness over time. Often we are to forgive but we must avoid the person so that they cannot continue to hurt us.

Fourth, forgiveness is an internal, one way gift we give ourselves so we can heal from the wound(s). The saying is so true: Holding a grudge is like eating poison and waiting for the other person to die. We must choose to not hold a grudge and we must make a deliberate decision to “let go and let God.” The offending party does not even need to know about our forgiveness.

Fifth, forgiveness does not always mean reconciliation. For there to be any kind of reconciliation, the offending party must admit to the wrong done, repent, and seek to make amends. Then reconciliation is possible with forgiveness. However, if the offending party doesn’t acknowledge the wrong done and the hurt inflicted, or does not promise to avoid repeating the offense, then the ‘victim’ must keep a distance and/or protect themselves.. Forgiveness does not mean rebuilding trust unless the perpetrator repents and changes.

Remember, Jesus told His disciples to “shake the dust of their sandals” and move on when they and the gospel message were rejected. And check out Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 18:15-17: “If your brother or sister sins against you, go to them privately and point it out, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses’ [as the Law requires]. If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church [authorities]; and if they refuse to listen even to them, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector [that is, avoid them].”

Sometimes avoidance is the best and most honest way to deal with people who keep hurting us by their behavior. We sure don't want to enable their behavior by pretending it is OK with us. But we must at first let them know clearly what they have done and give them a chance to apologize and amend their ways.

- Bruce Atkinson, PhD
Christian counselor and licensed psychologist
 
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sometimes people may never see the person again who hurt them but still need to forgive in order to move on with their lives

there was a woman in our town who said she forgave the person who murdered her daughter and now she's raising her grandchild
she didn't want to hold any bitterness in her heart
That is why we must forgive. Harbored unforgivness is a terrible poison that seperates us from the Love of God.

Nevertheless (and fully understanding what you are saying) for the relationship to be healed between the people involved there must be forgivness offered and forgivness recieved.

The good news is that if this woman ever meets the person again she will have the very greatest gift to offer them. What a wealthy woman she is.
 
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If someone comes to your door every day and kicks you in the shin, will you continue to open the door for them?

Continuing to open the door demonstrate a lack of sanity not a lack of forgiveness. you can forgive every kick, while still disallowing future kicks. Forgiveness is a matter of the heart and mind.
 
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You should begin the process of forgiveness immediately. But please remember that it is a process. It takes time.

And if you are the victim of an injustice, then you can also pray that God will give a just solution. 'Forgiveness' is not a recipe that you will be kicked around ... but you cannot simply take justice into your own hands. You must trust God to deliver that justice.

Do you want God to forgive your mistakes? When?? Ohh, you want His forgiveness today? Then offer that same forgiveness to your neighbors ... starting today.
 
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