When Do You Forgive?

[dreadnought]

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That seems like a very superficial and situational Christianity, sort of, if it suits me at this time, I will.

I'm just saying we shouldn't get mad at inconsequential things. There are plenty of big things to get mad at.

 

[dreadnought]

I know a person who can't forgive and is full of hate when ever hearing the voice of second person even tho they were close together before that .

Is the separation best solution if none of them can forgive ?

If someone is a constant source of pain, I would suggest separation as a possible solution.

 

[JIMINZ]

But let me ask this question again: If someone comes to your door every day and kicks you in the shin, will you continue to open the door for them?

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That is sort of an over the top example, but I believe these verses cover all possible contingencies.

Mat 5:38-42
38) Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39) But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40) And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41) And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42) Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

 

[Abaxvahl]

But let me ask this question again: If someone comes to your door every day and kicks you in the shin, will you continue to open the door for them?

No, I'd forgive them for their previous offenses, but I would not deliberately suffer abuse to my body by putting myself in the same situation again. Just like I've forgiven someone multiple times for wrong things they've said against me, but I don't really go to where they are anymore, or try to get into their spaces. Forgiveness doesn't preclude wisdom.

 

[Chinchilla]

No, I'd forgive them for their previous offenses, but I would not deliberately suffer abuse to my body by putting myself in the same situation again. Just like I've forgiven someone multiple times for wrong things they've said against me, but I don't really go to where they are anymore, or try to get into their spaces. Forgiveness doesn't preclude wisdom.

Luke 22:36-38 King James Version (KJV)
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

 

[dreadnought]

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That is sort of an over the top example, but I believe these verses cover all possible contingencies.

Mat 5:38-42
38) Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39) But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40) And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41) And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42) Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

I thought the verses I quoted in the original post sort of said it all: If someone repents of their sin, forgive them. If you rob me of my life savings, I will forgive you, as soon as you give me my money back.

 

[JIMINZ]

The Lord's prayer asks the Lord to forgive us as we forgive others. You can interpret that two ways. You are interpreting it to mean that "the Lord is to forgive us at the same moment we forgive others." I am interpreting it to mean that "the Lord will forgive us in the same manner as we forgive others." I think my interpretation is correct.

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I feel the same as you do, I don't know what would have given the impression I felt any differently.

Sure what you say is correct, and God will not forgive you your sins until you repent, if that is your standard for forgiveness of others, but what if you don't feel like something you have done warrants repentance but God does, holding you to your standard, what if you forget, you will not be forgiven until you do repent.

 

[JIMINZ]

I'm just saying we shouldn't get mad at inconsequential things. There are plenty of big things to get mad at.

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Yes you do, we all get mad at mundane nothings, at, meaningless things every day, were human and things p--- us off.

 

[bekkilyn]

You would forgive even if they haven't asked because you are extending mercy to them, and in many ways, your forgiveness of them is for your own health and peace, but just because you have forgiven someone doesn't mean that you have to keep putting yourself into a position where they can continue to hurt you. You may just need to move on at that point. But harboring anger, hatred, spite, or whatever in your heart is not of the Spirit.

 

[dreadnought]

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I feel the same as you do, I don't know what would have given the impression I felt any differently.

Sure what you say is correct, and God will not forgive you your sins until you repent, if that is your standard for forgiveness of others, but what if you don't feel like something you have done warrants repentance but God does, holding you to your standard, what if you forget, you will not be forgiven until you do repent.

We need to make ourselves aware of what the Lord requires of us. I have learned that chastity, sobriety, and humility are vital.

 

[dreadnought]

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Yes you do, we all get mad at mundane nothings, at, meaningless things every day, were human and things p--- us off.

The problem is, if we complain about little things, no one will listen to us when we have a big things to complain about.

 

[JIMINZ]

I thought the verses I quoted in the original post sort of said it all: If someone repents of their sin, forgive them. If you rob me of my life savings, I will forgive you, as soon as you give me my money back.

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That isn't forgiveness, that is retribution.

My house was robbed last year, the guy took over 6,000 dollars worth of things,
when I got home that morning at 4:00am I was livid, but by the time the sun came up I had forgiven him more than once.

By the end of the week I got back a lot of things he took, not everything, and I am still angry but I still forgive him, he was arrested, tried and got 5 yrs. for his crime, when he gets out the State requires him to pay me more than 6,000 dollars for what he took, and costs.

The State put him in jail for breaking the Law I didn't, the State is requiring him to repay me for what he took, that is his penalty for his crime, it was also because he was on probation for Burglary, so technically was he put in prison because he robbed my house, or because he broke the rules of his probation?

The point is I forgave him before I even called the police that morning, that is what God requires of us as His Children, if we do not, then we are no different than anyone else in the world.

 

[JIMINZ]

We need to make ourselves aware of what the Lord requires of us. I have learned that chastity, sobriety, and humility are vital.

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You forgot FORGIVENESS !

 

[dreadnought]

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That isn't forgiveness, that is retribution.

My house was robbed last year, the guy took over 6,000 dollars worth of things,
when I got home that morning at 4:00am I was livid, but by the time the sun came up I had forgiven him more than once.

By the end of the week I got back a lot of things he took, not everything, and I am still angry but I still forgive him, he was arrested, tried and got 5 yrs. for his crime, when he gets out the State requires him to pay me more than 6,000 dollars for what he took, and costs.

The State put him in jail for breaking the Law I didn't, the State is requiring him to repay me for what he took, that is his penalty for his crime, it was also because he was on probation for Burglary, so technically was he put in prison because he robbed my house, or because he broke the rules of his probation?

The point is I forgave him before I even called the police that morning, that is what God requires of us as His Children, if we do not, then we are no different than anyone else in the world.

Call it what you will. If you rob me of my life savings, I will forgive you as soon as you give me my money back.

 

[~Anastasia~]

It's not so much how or when or why we forgive others .... it's that we DO.

14 For if you forgive people their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 But if you do not forgive people their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses.

If we want to be the kind of people that can accept God's forgiveness, we must be forgiving people. If we want to receive mercy, we must practice being merciful.

That's the bottom line.

It doesn't matter if they ask for forgiveness/mercy, or if they deserve forgiveness/mercy. We offer it anyway because we are to be forgiving, merciful people. Besides, it's better for us in this life, as well as in the next. And it's not as though our unforgiveness binds them from God's forgiveness even if we wanted it to - it would only block us ourselves from being forgiven.

So we should forgive. Period.

 

[dreadnought]

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You forgot FORGIVENESS !

Well, you go back to the two great commandments, that you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. I was just showing you three things that stand out, in my mind.

 

[JIMINZ]

The problem is, if we complain about little things, no one will listen to us when we have a big things to complain about.

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If you Forgive, God will hear every word you utter.

Mat 6:14,15
14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

There isn't any stipulation by God that they must Repent first, or even that they Repent at all, that is you human stipulation, He says Forgive.....Period!

 

[JIMINZ]

Call it what you will. If you rob me of my life savings, I will forgive you as soon as you give me my money back.

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Then guess what, from that moment on for the rest of your entire life, your sins will not be forgiven either.

Mat 6:14,15
14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[JIMINZ]

Well, you go back to the two great commandments, that you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. I was just showing you three things that stand out, in my mind.

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Do you mean, you don't want anyone to show you mercy and Forgive you until you Repent to them?

How is that treating others the way you want to be treated?.....No mercy, No quarter

 

[Philip_B]

I thought the verses I quoted in the original post sort of said it all: If someone repents of their sin, forgive them. If you rob me of my life savings, I will forgive you, as soon as you give me my money back.

In reality if they give the money back there is their anything to forgive.

I think we might need to forgive in our hearts, that we not be trapped in anger, however perhaps we don't need to express that forgiveness until we are asked for it. Until they express some remorse they have no need of our forgiveness.

Love your enemies, they hate it!