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These are merely theories ...
Ignorance of "merely theories", Dan1988, as if you had never learned about science in high school!

A scientific theory is an explanation for a body of empirical knowledge that makes testable, falsifiable predictions about past and future empirical knowledge. A scientific theory can be discarded if new knowledge makes it false. This is a good thing. A scientific theory can be updated if new knowledge makes them partially false. This is a good thing. Science is not dogma that was created say 400 years ago by Isaac Newton. Science is an ever closer approximation to the real universe.
 
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Well that's your private view, but there are billions who disagree with you. I know there are billions of others who go along with your mob out of sheer ignorance, they just latch on because they follow the crowd like blind sheep.
There may be "billons" who deny the modern world that working science has produced and explains. So what? A belief in a flat Earth did not make the Earth flat (scholars did not believe it even if the myth was poplar)!

I am a Kiwi (New Zealander) so I do not mind an Australian calling Australians "blind sheep" :D. But seriously, high school science students in many countries, e.g. Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, Japan, and the USA, learn about science and have knowledge, not ignorance. Anyone who can read Wikipedia or use Google can gain knowledge.

The basics of evolution are easy to understand. Variation within a population + the environment making it more likely that individual with fitter traits will survive and breed = species change. We call that change evolution. If the environment changes, the population will evolve to fit that environment and a new species may evolve. If a population becomes split, e.g. by geography, each population will evolve separately, changes will pile up and we can get a new species.
The full extent of evolution needs a willingness to learn.

Or my favorite example for a lower limit to the age of the Earth that anyone who can think and count can understand. In summer winds deposit dust on snow. In winter more snow falls covering the dusty snow. The snow compacts so we have ice with a dusty layer per year. Ice cores exist. It is possible to look with your eyes at an ice core an count up to 55,000 layers. Thus the age of the Earth is at last 55,000 years.
 
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What about all the transitional fossils from reptile to mammal? Why do we find a long string of animals incrementally more like mammals before the first mammal appears?
Please provide something to support your belief, the scientific community is desperate to find one. They would love to find at least one to support their theory but, sadly none have ever been found so their theory remains just that.

We do have millions of fossils of fully "Evolved" species, but not a single one in transition form one species to another. Thank you for conceding defeat in advance.
 
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Ignorance of "merely theories", Dan1988, as if you had never learned about science in high school!

A scientific theory is an explanation for a body of empirical knowledge that makes testable, falsifiable predictions about past and future empirical knowledge. A scientific theory can be discarded if new knowledge makes it false. This is a good thing. A scientific theory can be updated if new knowledge makes them partially false. This is a good thing. Science is not dogma that was created say 400 years ago by Isaac Newton. Science is an ever closer approximation to the real universe.
The problem is that the whole of science stands to be corrected or proven wrong all the time. It hinges on theories which are constantly exposed as being fundamentally flawed.

Science relies on the ability to repeat the same experiments and get the same results, but the problem is god created the physical world in such a way that scientists cannot understand. He deliberately made matter behave in a way that's not always predictable, so they don't know why matter behaves as it does.

Science has never been able to create a single speck of dust, that's how pathetic they are. They have to work within the parameters God set in place, they change a single law of physics, they are slaves to Gods design. All they can do is perform endless experiments to observe the rules, but they are absolutely powerless to change a single law of physics.

So basically science can only observe Gods creation and manipulate matter withing Gods boundaries. They are powerless to do anything else like cause matter to behave they way they would like it to.

So in summary, science is weak, impotent, powerless and at the mercy of the laws God set in place. They can't change a single thing.
 
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Please provide something to support your belief, the scientific community is desperate to find one. They would love to find at least one to support their theory but, sadly none have ever been found so their theory remains just that.

We do have millions of fossils of fully "Evolved" species, but not a single one in transition form one species to another. Thank you for conceding defeat in advance.

Before we continue to waste our time arguing with a Poe, can you please answer this:

Do you think you could be wrong? Or do you think your views are true no matter what?
 
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Says the guy who thinks pig-o-birds or bird-o-pigs are are even possible. Birds and pigs are both Reptilomorpha but they’re completely different branches of the Clade. Pigs , being mammals are from the synapsid Clade . Birds are from the diapsid Clade . What you want isn’t possible as these two lineages have been separated for hundreds of millions of years . They are related as all vertebrates are distant cousins.
Yes I know that is the hopelessly flawed theory, but you will need more than a theory to convince smart people who know better. You need to provide on single fossil of the millions found to support the theory of evolution.

Now go back to the naughty corner, until they find one which will never happen so yeah
 
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The problem is that the whole of science stands to be corrected or proven wrong all the time. It hinges on theories which are constantly exposed as being fundamentally flawed.

Science relies on the ability to repeat the same experiments and get the same results, but the problem is god created the physical world in such a way that scientists cannot understand. He deliberately made matter behave in a way that's not always predictable, so they don't know why matter behaves as it does.

Science has never been able to create a single speck of dust, that's how pathetic they are. They have to work within the parameters God set in place, they change a single law of physics, they are slaves to Gods design. All they can do is perform endless experiments to observe the rules, but they are absolutely powerless to change a single law of physics.

So basically science can only observe Gods creation and manipulate matter withing Gods boundaries. They are powerless to do anything else like cause matter to behave they way they would like it to.

So in summary, science is weak, impotent, powerless and at the mercy of the laws God set in place. They can't change a single thing.

Invoking magic (god(s)) in a science debate makes you lose on the spot.
 
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Before we continue to waste our time arguing with a Poe, can you please answer this:

Do you think you could be wrong? Or do you think your views are true no matter what?
When a person finds out the real truth and they are 100% sure without a single doubt because they have seen and experienced the truth.
God doesn't reveal the truth to everyone, He only reveals it to His elect, so the rest are condemned to remain in ignorance until they find themselves standing before God to be judged when this life expires. All you can do is pray and ask God to reveal the truth to you, He promised to reveal it to those who knock and ask.
The problem most people have is they wait for God to come down and beg them to accept Him. They forget that they are the ones who should beg Him to accept them.
 
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When a person finds out the real truth and they are 100% sure without a single doubt because they have seen and experienced the truth.
God doesn't reveal the truth to everyone, He only reveals it to His elect, so the rest are condemned to remain in ignorance until they find themselves standing before God to be judged when this life expires. All you can do is pray and ask God to reveal the truth to you, He promised to reveal it to those who knock and ask.
The problem most people have is they wait for God to come down and beg them to accept Him. They forget that they are the ones who should beg Him to accept them.

So it is a waste if time talking to someone like you, thanks for letting us know.
 
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Invoking magic (god(s)) in a science debate makes you lose on the spot.
LOL, of' course it does when the scientists remain firm and steadfast in their ignorance. They use the circular reasoning tactic, which forces the smart person to surrender their intelligence and leave it at the door while they spoon feed you lies.

You can't have an open debate with closed minded, ignorant people who refuse to acknowledge facts.
 
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So it is a waste if time talking to someone like you, thanks for letting us know.
That's right, i posses the truth and I'm not selling it at any price. It's just too precious, why would I abandon the truth and swallow lies.
 
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This is irony cubed.
You can't run away from the truth, you know as well as everyone else does that the theory of evolution has been debunked and it's dead in the water.

You can try to revive it all you like but it never will be because we now have irrefutable evidence which shows it's a lie. It relies on a fundamentally flawed theory to stay afloat, only those who are afraid to face the truth run to it and embrace it as an act of hopeless desperation.

You don't need to search very far to find the evidence which exposes evolution and the whole theory as a straw man argument.
 
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You can't run away from the truth, you know as well as everyone else does that the theory of evolution has been debunked and it's dead in the water.

If this was true then why is it an applied science? Why are there companies that have patented real-world applications based on the ToE?
 
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You can't run away from the truth, you know as well as everyone else does that the theory of evolution has been debunked and it's dead in the water.

You can try to revive it all you like but it never will be because we now have irrefutable evidence which shows it's a lie. It relies on a fundamentally flawed theory to stay afloat, only those who are afraid to face the truth run to it and embrace it as an act of hopeless desperation.

You don't need to search very far to find the evidence which exposes evolution and the whole theory as a straw man argument.

You have facts and evidence that refute the ToE? Then run and write an article for peer-review where you support and show this remarkable scientific breakthrough. Fame and fortune awaits!
 
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Please provide something to support your belief, the scientific community is desperate to find one. They would love to find at least one to support their theory but, sadly none have ever been found so their theory remains just that.

We do have millions of fossils of fully "Evolved" species, but not a single one in transition form one species to another. Thank you for conceding defeat in advance.
What are you talking about? We have found hundreds of species in a succession from reptiles to mammals. See for instance the evolutionary history tab here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synapsid
 
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You can't run away from the truth, you know as well as everyone else does that the theory of evolution has been debunked and it's dead in the water.
Can you please consider the possibility that the people who told you that were mistaken? We do indeed have overwhelming evidence for evolution. I gave you a link, for instance, to one of the many lines of evidence. It appears you did not even take a look at it. Can you please read it and let us know why you don't consider this good evidence?
 
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The difference between scientists and the creationist con artists who call themselves scientists is that scientists will admit it IF they are wrong . AND they’re careful to devise experiments that show that their hypotheses are correct . They don’t do the woulda, shoulda, coulda, pseudoscience fantasy thing that creationists do. Creationists never admit they’re wrong; they act like 3 year olds caught in a lie . “But mommy Santa did break your vase!” And just like that three-year-old’s mommy , scientists don’t buy creationist fantasies either
 
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Can you please consider the possibility that the people who told you that were mistaken? We do indeed have overwhelming evidence for evolution. I gave you a link, for instance, to one of the many lines of evidence. It appears you did not even take a look at it. Can you please read it and let us know why you don't consider this good evidence?
Yes I looked at the link but I wasn't convinced in the slightest. The supposed evidence has huge holes in it, they had to impose a lot of theoretical hypothesis to make the fossils conform to theory.

As I mentioned before, I have studied all of the evidence for both creation and evolution at great length and in great detail. I didn't arrive at my conclusion through ignorance of the facts as they stand.

The truth is the only winner here, nothing can change it. It will remain into all eternity, long after the lies have ended their short life. All I would suggest to you is to look outside of the box, and seek the truth while it may be found. The time is quickly coming when it won't be available any more.
 
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