Masturbation

[Dave-W]

Yes there is.

OK - which one of the levels is "higher?"

Peshat
D'rash
Remez
Sod

Rashi (commentator from the middle ages) would probably say that Peshat (the plain base meaning) was the higher level.
Most Chassidic Jews (mystics) would probably say that Sod (the mystical meaning) was the higher level.

Normal Jews would say either they are all equal, or would side with Rashi.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

OK - which one of the levels is "higher?"

Peshat
D'rash
Remez
Sod

God's spiritual interpretation supersedes in any reading of the scripture.

 

[Dave-W]

God's spiritual interpretation supersedes in any reading of the scripture.

OK - that can get a lot of people in a lot of trouble very quickly.

ALL "interpretations" are subject to the reading of scripture. Anything else is error.

To supersede something makes it invalid.
So in essence, by holding to that position, you are saying the entire bible is invalid.

Is that REALLY what you are trying to say? I certainly hope not.

 

[NBB]

OK - that can get a lot of people in a lot of trouble very quickly.

ALL "interpretations" are subject to the reading of scripture. Anything else is error.

To supersede something makes it invalid.
So in essence, by holding to that position, you are saying the entire bible is invalid.

Is that REALLY what you are trying to say? I certainly hope not.

You imply she was masturbating while sleeping? that not taking it to far?, she woke up.
Anyway Salomon had 1000 concubines, very moral for christians right?.
Did she really needed to touch having her husband near her?
Maybe her hand was 'there' when she woke up but she was not masturbating.

 

[Dave-W]

Maybe her hand was 'there' when she woke up but she was not masturbating.

You base that on what exactly?

 

[Chinchilla]

It is a SIN, you can't be filled with the Holy spirit and practice that, He will just go away from you!.

Not Scriptural
Ephesians 1:13-14
You are sealed with HS to day of redemption not to day of relapse .

 

[NBB]

Not Scriptural
Ephesians 1:13-14
You are sealed with HS to day of redemption not to day of relapse .

Sealed yes that doesn't go away. But about being Filled yes you can loose the filling. This is not something every christian has. You need to seek for it.

 

[NBB]

You base that on what exactly?

I don't know the book is full with sexual things but has to be masturbation yes or yes? if the translation is like you say.

 

[Chinchilla]

Sealed yes that doesn't go away. But about being Filled yes you can loose the filling. This is not something every christian has. You need to seek for it.

Yea you can be lukewarm hypocrite Christian who is pro-choice and indulges in sin but should you ? I think not

But there will be plenty who were saved early on , apostate and repent only on death bed regretting thier life .

 

[NBB]

Yea you can be lukewarm hypocrite Christian who is pro-choice and indulges in sin but should you ? I think not

But there will be plenty who were saved early on , apostate and repent only on death bed regretting thier life .

......... wow dramatic much?. Or you can have a weakness, and be a little stupid, that God needs to help you overcome a particular sin. When you overcome the sin then God can fill you again. Sometimes christian life is not the 'perfect tale of a nice christian', there are problems.

 

[Chinchilla]

......... wow dramatic much?. Or you can have a weakness, and be a little stupid, that God needs to help you overcome a particular sin. When you overcome the sin then God can fill you again. Sometimes christian life is not the 'perfect tale of a nice christian', there are problems.

Not Scriptural , Jesus said without me you can't do anything , you expect to overcome yourself so you can be preideful about it . It's not working this way .

No you can't be unsealed if you think so you were never to behin with .

John 15:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Grace means undeserved , don't try to work for it .

 

[NBB]

Not Scriptural , Jesus said without me you can't do anything , you expect to overcome yourself so you can be preideful about it . It's not working this way .

No you can't be unsealed if you think so you were never to behin with .

John 15:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Grace means undeserved , don't try to work for it .

First i didn't say you can be unsealed, i said you can loose the filling read again please.
And i said that WITH the help of God i can overcome read please.

 

[NBB]

OK - that can get a lot of people in a lot of trouble very quickly.

ALL "interpretations" are subject to the reading of scripture. Anything else is error.

To supersede something makes it invalid.
So in essence, by holding to that position, you are saying the entire bible is invalid.

Is that REALLY what you are trying to say? I certainly hope not.

But for example an atheist can't have an ok interpretation of the bible, you need to have the spirit so you can be revelead meanings or understand well. Maybe that is what he is refering to.

 

[Chinchilla]

First i didn't say you can be unsealed, i said you can loose the filling read again please.
And i said that WITH the help of God i can overcome read please.

You can't lose any filling you are not a broken tooth which need filling but not corruptable tooth .

 

[NBB]

You can't lose any filling you are not a broken tooth which need filling but not corruptable tooth .

What i mean by filling, is when you are 'filled with the Holy spirit'. He is very sensitive when you are so near to Him, or better he so near you. So you need to take care of what you do if you sin you can loose the 'filling of the holy spirit' and that feels horrible.

 

[Chinchilla]

What i mean by filling, is when you are 'filled with the Holy spirit'. He is very sensitive when you are so near to Him, so you need to take care of what you do if you sin you can loose the 'filling of the holy spirit' and that feels horrible.

If you talk about relapsing then even non believers feel like that don't think it's related .

 

[NBB]

If you talk about relapsing then even non believers feel like that don't think it's related .

What is relapsing?

 

[NBB]

If you talk about relapsing then even non believers feel like that don't think it's related .

Yes you can relapse in that sense. in that way yes you can relapse but is not the end of the world, we are not perfect and need to repent sometimes. You never heard of a christian making an error, sin? that can get you in an ugly spiritual problem.

edit: i meant by relapse, as getting in a worse spiritual state.

 

[Chinchilla]

What is relapsing?

Having [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]

 

[Chinchilla]

Yes you can relapse in that sense. in that way yes you can relapse but is not the end of the world, we are not perfect and need to repent sometimes. You never heard of a christian making an error, sin? that can get you in an ugly spiritual problem.

Well Christian can have his testimony ruined therefore he become useless to preach the gospel , for example multiple times pastors indulge in cheating on thier wifes and when exposed they lose thier testimony and thier ministry.