U.S. Immigration - WE are NOT the problem. Our policies are NOT the problem.

[Aryeh Jay]

Why would they want to leave their ancestral homelands ?

½ of my ancestors left because of war.

 

[cfyahoo08]

I agree, effective US foreign policy has the potential to help people where they are.

In the case of Mexico and Central America the most recent core issues are:
- Violence
- Justice systems that are corrupt and rarely convict anyone

If you are a father of a 13 year old daughter and the local gang threatens her to become their "girlfriend" or else face execution, what would you do?

And btw, the United States citizens are indirectly contributing to the rampant violence across the region: Our illegal drug consumption is empowering criminal enterprises that simply overwhelm the local government's ability to keep their people safe. Every year, millions of dollars make their way into the hands of drug cartels and violent gangs. So yes, "we" are part of the problem.

When they remove the incentive for drug profits i.e. end the drug war, the drug cartels will find "other" ways to make $. and what do they turn to ? So what then is the answer ?

 

[cfyahoo08]

Bad government, largely.

Sad huh ? I certainly wish some oppressive and horrible governments treated their people better.

 

[cfyahoo08]

½ of my ancestors left because of war.

Wars started by whom / what ?

 

[Desk trauma]

When they remove the incentive for drug profits i.e. end the drug war, the drug cartels will find "other" ways to make $. and what do they turn to ? So what then is the answer ?

Not on anywhere near the scale that they do now.

 

[wing2000]

When they remove the incentive for drug profits i.e. end the drug war, the drug cartels will find "other" ways to make $. and what do they turn to ? So what then is the answer ?

You want a single answer to a very complex problem after dismissing a problem that has been 3 decades in the making?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Wars started by whom / what ?

Some Serb killed an Archduke

 

[wing2000]

Wars started by whom / what ?

Are you familiar with the history of Central America?

 

[wing2000]

As for the video, I don't believe anyone has ever stated that immigration is an effective development strategy for the third world (that's the premise of his presentation).

 

[LoAmmi]

As for the video, I don't believe anyone has ever stated that immigration is an effective development strategy for the third world (that's the premise of his presentation).

We've got all this straw. What do you expect us to do with it?

 

[cfyahoo08]

Not on anywhere near the scale that they do now.

I watched a documentary some years ago, that was saying that when a nation legalizes drugs, those that had made $ off of the drugs turn to sex trafficking

 

[cfyahoo08]

As for the video, I don't believe anyone has ever stated that immigration is an effective development strategy for the third world (that's the premise of his presentation).

Not its not at all. He has a MUCH different point than that.

 

[wing2000]

I watched a documentary some years ago, that was saying that when a nation legalizes drugs, those that had made $ off of the drugs turn to sex trafficking

...and who are the consumers of either of those illegal enterprises? Do you still maintain "we" are not part of the problem?

 

[wing2000]

Not its not at all. He has a MUCH different point than that.

....which was?

 

[cfyahoo08]

...and who are the consumers of either of those illegal enterprises? Do you still maintain "we" are not part of the problem?

"we" humanity perhaps but not "we" the U.S.

 

[cfyahoo08]

....which was?

Well if you watch it it would make more sense than my attempt to explain his point of view, part of it he in essence says that there are just simply too many people in the world for the U.S. to absorb and ALL of our efforts amount to a very tiny drop in a very VERY large bucket and helping them would be more effective if we help them where they are.

 

[wing2000]

Well if you watch it it would make more sense than my attempt to explain his point of view, part of it he in essence says that there are just simply too many people in the world for the U.S. to absorb and ALL of our efforts amount to a very tiny drop in a very VERY large bucket and helping them would be more effective if we help them where they are.

I did watch the entire video.
And as I said, I agree with solving the problem in the source country. That includes addressing the role the United States has in contributing to violence, criminal enterprises and attracting US labor to our country.

'Absorbing' the world's poor as a solution is a strawman.

 

[cfyahoo08]

I did watch the entire video.
And as I said, I agree with solving the problem in the source country. That includes addressing the role the United States has in contributing to violence, criminal enterprises and attracting US labor to our country.

'Absorbing' the world's poor as a solution is a strawman.

What do you think of saying it this way ?

I agree with solving the problem in the source country. That includes addressing the role Humanity / Man's inhumanity to man/ Mankind has in contributing to violence, criminal enterprises.

 

[Desk trauma]

I agree with solving the problem in the source country.

What are you waiting on?

 

[Speedwell]

What do you think of saying it this way ?

I agree with solving the problem in the source country. That includes addressing the role Humanity / Man's inhumanity to man/ Mankind has in contributing to violence, criminal enterprises.

"Mankind" is too abstract. It's still a way for the US to excuse themselves from doing anything about it. US foreign policy and commercial interests have directly contributed to the sorry conditions in Central America. There's no getting around it.