Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

[BABerean2]

The Sinai Covenant have far more things that the Jews were forced to do to be saved than only the 10 Commandments ....

Based on the verse below, the ten commandments are the Sinai Covenant.
The other 603 or so laws describe how to keep the 10 commandments.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

The covenant was not given earlier.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.


In Galatians 3:16-29, the Apostle Paul reveals that the Law was put in place 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham, "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
It was a temporary covenant.

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[Riberra]

Based on the verse below, the ten commandments are the Sinai Covenant.
The other 603 or so laws describe how to keep the 10 commandments.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

The covenant was not given earlier.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.


In Galatians 3:16-29, the Apostle Paul reveals that the Law was put in place 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham, "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
It was a temporary covenant.

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Explain to us what are the Commandments of God cited in Revelation 14:12 that the Saints of the End Times KEEP [during the 42 months Reign of The Beast] + The Faith in Jesus ?

That is not me who have written that passage.

Revelation 14:12
12 Here Is The Patience Of The Saints: Here Are They That KEEP The Commandments Of God, AND The Faith of Jesus.

 

[jgr]

It is the nation of Israel. It is not the Kingdom of God.

The church is not the nation of Israel.

The Church is God's Holy Nation (Isaiah 66:8; 1 Peter 2:9). It is the Nation "born at once in one day" (Isaiah 66:8; Acts 2:41) of which Isaiah prophesied.

 

[Douggg]

You saw, and heard Lord Jacob Rothschild plainly reveal that his family created the modern State of Israel, and you say I am the one in denial...


Pastor Chuck Baldwin used to be a Dispensationalist, because that is what he was taught in Bible College.

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Pastor chuck and you side with Islam...in denial. But God said in Ezekiel 37, I will...

btw, I was born in 1948.

Israel born again in a single day, the biggest sign that we are living in the last days, end times. Jesus's return nlt the end of 2037, and before then the rapture to heaven.

 

[Douggg]

The Church is God's Holy Nation (Isaiah 66:8; 1 Peter 2:9). It is the Nation "born at once in one day" (Isaiah 66:8; Acts 2:41) of which Isaiah prophesied.

The muslims are in denial as well. The nation born in a single day is Israel.

The Arabs and Russians will try to destroy Israel in Ezekiel 38/39, sometime before the end of 2030. We are living in bible prophecy times.

 

[jgr]

The muslims are in denial as well. The nation born in a single day is Israel.

The Arabs and Russians will try to destroy Israel in Ezekiel 38/39, sometime before the end of 2030. We are living in bible prophecy times.

Neither Muslims nor Jews quote 1 Peter 2:9 or Acts 2:41.

 

[Douggg]

Neither Muslims nor Jews quote 1 Peter 2:9 or Acts 2:41.

Israel at the time of the six days war in 1967 had a population only 2.5 million people. The year God returned Jerusalem to the hands of the Jews. We are living in the last days, the end times.

 

[BABerean2]

Pastor chuck and you side with Islam...in denial. But God said in Ezekiel 37, I will...

btw, I was born in 1948.

Israel born again in a single day, the biggest sign that we are living in the last days, end times. Jesus's return nlt the end of 2037, and before then the rapture to heaven.

Then you should know it was that godless organization dedicated to the cause of world government, known as the United Nations, which created the modern State of Israel during 1948.

Pastor Chuck Baldwin had the courage to speak the truth.

It is both modern Orthodox Jews and Muslims that reject Christ and are now fighting over the area known as "The Temple Mount", which is actually the remains of Roman Fort Antonia. Both groups are lost. If we love them we will tell both groups the truth, instead of making excuses for one group, while thousands of their people die and go to hell.

You are loving one group to death, and hell.

Both groups fall under the words of scripture in 1 John 2:22-23.

You are promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology.
(Galatians 1:6-9)

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Israel launched a surprise attack which destroyed the airforce of the Egyptians at the beginning of the 6 Day War, which gave them air superiority. The Egytians never had a chance after that point.

One June 8th 1967. IDF forces attacked the USS Liberty with rockets, napalm, and torpedos.
Thirtyfour Americans were killed.
It was a false flag attack.

American aircraft which had been sent to help, were recalled by Johnson.

A nuclear weapon had been loaded on an aircraft to destroy Cairo,
President Johnson was trying to get re-eleted by using a false-flag operation. However, the Liberty refused to sink.

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[Douggg]

You are promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology.
(Galatians 1:6-9)

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God is bringing the Jews, Israel, to believe in Jesus and to bring the Kingdom of God to have dominion over the earth. Bible prophecy is taking place before your eyes.

The bible is a book about God's destruction of Satan and his kingdom. You are in denial of what God is doing.

 

[BABerean2]

God is bringing the Jews, Israel, to believe in Jesus and to bring the Kingdom of God to have dominion over the earth. Bible prophecy is taking place before your eyes.

The bible is a book about God's destruction of Satan and his kingdom. You are in denial of what God is doing.

You do not know the difference between the Baal worshipers and the faithful remnant in Romans 11:1-5.

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[Douggg]

You do not know the difference between the Baal worshipers and the faithful remnant in Romans 11:1-5.

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Bible prophecy is taking place before your eyes. It won't be long before the ten leader form of government of the EU arrives.

 

[BABerean2]

Bible prophecy is taking place before your eyes. It won't be long before the ten leader form of government of the EU arrives.

You are correct about Bible prophecy taking place at the present time.

Who is the great deceiver, that is setting up a one world globalist system, whose capital is found below within the modern State of Israel?

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Above we find the spiritual condition of the city of Jerusalem right before the 7th trumpet and "the time of the judgment of the dead", in Revelation 11:15-18.


What do you know about the relationship between the Rothschild family and the movement to produce a one world government?

Wake up Church.

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[BABerean2]

Explain to us what are the Commandments of God cited in Revelation 14:12 that the Saints of the End Times KEEP [during the 42 months Reign of The Beast] + The Faith in Jesus ?

That is not me who have written that passage.

Revelation 14:12
12 Here Is The Patience Of The Saints: Here Are They That KEEP The Commandments Of God, AND The Faith of Jesus.

I would rather let John explain it, since he recorded the Book of Revelation.

1Jn 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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[claninja]

The KJV say for the 6 Th Seal Great Earthquake
Revelation 6:12-14
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

14 ... and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Do you know that the big earthquake 8.9 at the Richter magnitude scale, who have happened under the ocean near Japan few years ago have MOVED the Japan Island out of its place by few feet .[NOTE I am not saying the Japan earthquake is the earthquake prophesied to happen the 6Th seal]

Quake moved Japan coast 8 feet, shifted Earth's axis
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ7Jge3ldb_jMAqSNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1532513951/RO=10/RU=http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html/RK=2/RS=oGZEOYsPKaihWgBoCXMA1LNeL7k-
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So there is a difference between the island and the mountains moved out of their place at the 6Th Seal ,and the Islands and Mountains not found at all as described AT THE 7 TH Vial Revelation 16:17-20.

The 7 TH VIAL Earthquake [Revelation 16:17-20] will be EXTREMELY MORE POWERFUL than the one happening at the opening of the 6Th seal

I disagree, heaven departs and every mountain and island are moved Out of their places at the 6th seal. If this literally happened, earth would be destroyed.

and heaven departed as a scroll rolled up, and every mountain and island -- out of their places they were moved;
Revelation 6:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 6:14&version=YLT

This corresponds to the mountains and islands not being found at the 7th bowl:

and every island did flee away, and mountains were not found,
Revelation 16:20 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 16:20&version=YLT

Which corresponds to heaven and earth fleeing away and not being found:

And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them;
Revelation 20:11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 20:11&version=YLT

 

[DavidPT]

and every island did flee away, and mountains were not found,
Revelation 16:20 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 16:20&version=YLT

Which corresponds to heaven and earth fleeing away and not being found:

And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them;
Revelation 20:11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 20:11&version=YLT

Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.


Include verse 21 though before deciding verse 20 fits with Revelation 20:11-15.

Revelation 16:21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I don't see Revelation 16:21 fitting with Revelation 20:11-15. And if it can't fit then neither can Revelation 16:20 fit with Revelation 20:11-15.


As to Revelation 6:14 and Revelation 16:20 describing the same events, no disputes there since I tend to agree.

 

[DavidPT]

I would rather let John explain it, since he recorded the Book of Revelation.

1Jn 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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We can also let Jesus explain it as well. Not that I'm disagreeing with anything you submitted in that post.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

 

[DavidPT]

The lightnings, voices, thunderings, earthquake, great hail would appear to be part of when Satan is cast down to earth, shortly after the day 1263.5 in the 7 years.

Revelation 13, part of it, the mortal wounding of the person and his recovery sometime before the exact midpoint, because the image of him made, is the AoD and is placed in the temple 1335 days before Jesus returns.

The 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is after the beast has killed the two witnesses and they have ascended on day 1263.5. With the two witnesses gone, the beast subsequently rules for 42 months unimpeded by their activity. The 42 months actually represents 1256.6 days (day 2520 - days 1263.5).

That's assuming the 2W are two literal individuals. But if they instead symbolize a group, that can significantly change how one interprets this. Which could then mean the 3.5 days are not literal days either. So on and so on.

 

[jgr]

Israel at the time of the six days war in 1967 had a population only 2.5 million people. The year God returned Jerusalem to the hands of the Jews. We are living in the last days, the end times.

Since we're genetically all Jews, has God returned Jerusalem to the hands of all of us?

Yes, we are living in the last days. They began 2,000 years ago (Hebrews 1:1,2) with the establishment of God's Holy Nation, His Church, who inhabit His Heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22).

 

[BABerean2]

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

There is something in the passage that many people miss, based on what we know from the rest of the New Testament.
There is only one person who ever kept those commandments perfectly.

Jesus told the young man that all he had to do was keep the commandments listed.

What was the young man's response? He lied and said that he had.

Instead of calling him a liar, Jesus gave him something he was not willing to do.

Therefore, the young man revealed the truth.

No ordinary human can save themselves by keeping the commandments listed above. If they could, there would be no reason for Jesus to die in our place.


There are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


In the verse below Paul said there are two covenants, and then proceeds to identify the Sinai Covenant as the covenant of "bondage".

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Paul contrasts the two covenants in the passage below.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

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[Riberra]

I disagree, heaven departs and every mountain and island are moved Out of their places at the 6th seal. If this literally happened, earth would be destroyed.

Do you know that when you read a Bible passage you need to read the WHOLE text related to that passage.

Obviously the Earth will not be destroyed [The majority of buildings will be destroyed]by the Great Earthquake of the 6Th seal and the survivors will be in total fears ....

So lets see what John saw in the VISION of that future event about the opening of the 6Th SEAL...and if John tell us that there are survivors after the Great Earthquake

Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


As you can see VERSE 15 AND VERSE 16 tell us about the SURVIVORS IN FEARS AND TOTAL PANIC STILL ALIVE ON THE EARTH after the Great Earthquake of the 6TH Seal.