Genesis One

[TCassidy]

Alright, TC ... thank you for all the information.

You're welcome.

My apologies for being so rude.

Forgiven and forgotten.

I'd like to end this conversation on a good note, and maybe we can continue it at that Great Supper we have a reservation for, eh?

I look forward to it. And if you are ever in the far, far south of Texas (we consider San Antonio as "up north") stop by and I will buy lunch.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

They did -- in 1611 -- for the last time.

Despite what academians want to do with It in 2018.

And holy men translated It too.

Not these 21st century college graduates who think their degrees don't stink.

How do you know this is the last & definitive translation? or for that matter that it's even correct, especially when it still refers to bible writings not included? Was God not the author, or was God mistaken when he inspired these excluded verses and referenced them in his "Approved for the Masses" version?

What did Christians do before the KJV was released, how would they have known what was the true word of God before this? Why should Christians of nowadays take the KJV to be the absolute word of God over everything else?

For the record:

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

It's not to be played around with by those who think the Dead Sea Scrolls -- (not the Dead Sea Scrolls) -- have some kind of validity.

What would you do if a discovery of God's word was uncovered from say, the finding of the actual tomb of Jesus, for example something is clarified in the Bible which is different to how you understand it - would you ignore it too because it isn't in your "assumed-to-be-true-above-everything-else" KJV Bible, or is it impossible for the KJV to be improved upon, ever and the discovery, therefore, has to be a fake?

 

[AV1611VET]

As far as His name being in all caps....I really don't see what difference it makes.

It's God's way of saying Jesus is God in the flesh.

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

And whenever you see LORD in all capitals, it is JEHOVAH.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know this is the last & definitive translation?

By simply counting.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Purified how many times? seven

When was the first purification? in 330 with the Gothic Version

When was the second purification? in 700 with the Anglo-Saxon Version

When was the third purification? in 1389 with the Wycliffe Version

When was the fourth purification? in 1525 with the Tyndale Version

When was the fifth purification? in 1560 with the Geneva Bible, God's choice for the Pilgrims

When was the sixth purification? in 1568 with the Bishop's Bible

When was the seventh and final purification? in 1611 with the King James Version

What did Christians do before the KJV was released, how would they have known what was the true word of God before this?

Pick a year and I'll tell you what true word of God they used.

AD 1000? they used the AV700 Anglo-Saxon Bible

AD 1700? they used the AV1611 King James Bible

AD 620? they used the AV330 Gothic Bible

This isn't rocket science.

Why should Christians of nowadays take the KJV to be the absolute word of God over everything else?

Hey ... you still want to use Windows 3.1? knock yourself out.

If you prefer riding a horse to driving a car, be my guest.

If you'd rather divide on paper, instead of use a calculator, have at it.

If the AV1611 bothers you so much, you have six Others to choose from.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

By simply counting.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Purified how many times? seven

When was the first purification? in 330 with the Gothic Version

When was the second purification? in 700 with the Anglo-Saxon Version

When was the third purification? in 1389 with the Wycliffe Version

When was the fourth purification? in 1525 with the Tyndale Version

When was the fifth purification? in 1560 with the Geneva Bible, God's choice for the Pilgrims

When was the sixth purification? in 1568 with the Bishop's Bible

When was the seventh and final purification? in 1611 with the King James Version

Why are these the only bible versions you consider? Why do you discount all the other versions ever encountered throughout the ages, such as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Dead Sea Scrolls? (that last one is the 'new information' scenario I made mention of before - it demonstrably exists and was an original compilation back in the day before some of these other versions you claim are 'purifications', so why doesn't that fit in?)

Pick a year and I'll tell you what true word of God they used.

AD 1000? they used the AV700 Anglo-Saxon Bible

AD 1700? they used the AV1611 King James Bible

AD 620? they used the AV330 Gothic Bible

Why are they different, did God change his mind?

This isn't rocket science.

Agreed.

Hey ... you still want to use Windows 3.1? knock yourself out.

If you prefer riding a horse to driving a car, be my guest.

If you'd rather divide on paper, instead of use a calculator, have at it.

If the AV1611 bothers you so much, you have six Others to choose from.

I could just go with reality and knowing as many true things while discarding as many false things as I'm able... that's the most modern method by which we come about actual knowledge in this universe, outdoes a 400+ year old translation of copies of translations, etc.

Scientology is newer and more scientifically accurate than any version of the Bible I've ever read... Why not go with that? Then of course, you have the modern redux of all the religions that predate the existence of all of the abrahamic religions - What about all those religions and their holy texts that came before your religion did? Why do you discount them?

 

[AV1611VET]

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Let's get off this merry-go-round, shall we?

I go with the AV1611 fifth edition King James Bible.

If that's not good enough, then by all means, choose your own and go with it.

Go with something.

Or you might end up an atheist.

(Oh, wait ... )

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Let's get off this merry-go-round, shall we?

I go with the AV1611 fifth edition King James Bible.

If that's not good enough, then by all means, choose your own and go with it.

Go with something.

Or you might end up an atheist.

(Oh, wait ... )

Well, I feel if the Creator of the Universe can create a universe and everything in it, then surely he could reach out & let me know he wants a relationship with me... I have no reason to think you have it right, and you demonstrate it yet again by avoiding the questions I have about your epistemology. I can't see for the life of me why you've picked your particular set of beliefs over every other possible sets out there already.

The only rational thing to do is to seek more evidence, not jump to a conclusion that's likely wrong. After all, what do you make of all the Hindus that are absolutely convinced they experience miracles and angels every day because of the Truth of Vishnu?

..... because I see you in the same light.

 

[AV1611VET]

After all, what do you make of all the Hindus that are absolutely convinced they experience miracles and angels every day because of the Truth of Vishnu?

What do I make of them?

I make of them what they are: a mission field.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

What do I make of them?

I make of them what they are: a mission field.

And they see you in the same way. Who's right and how do you know? (this is rhetorical given you can't point to anything outside your personal opinion)

 

[AV1611VET]

Who's right and how do you know? (this is rhetorical given you can't point to anything outside your personal opinion)

You mean like a nation that has people starving to death while sacred cows roam the streets right in front of them?

You mean like a religion that has a trinity consisting of a god of destruction, whose adherent, wanting to get back to worshiping him in "supreme truth" (or "aum shinrikyo"), poisioned a subway in Tokyo with Sarin nerve gas?

 

[Jimmy D]

You mean like a nation that has people starving to death while sacred cows roam the streets right in front of them?

You mean like a religion that has a trinity consisting of a god of destruction, whose adherent, wanting to get back to worshiping him in "supreme truth" (or "aum shinrikyo"), poisioned a subway in Tokyo with Sarin nerve gas?

 

[AV1611VET]

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Let me get this straight, Jimmy:

A: Teaches eat, drink, and be merry.

B: Teaches don't touch, die hungry.

C: Asks who's right and how do I know.

D: Points out B's flaw.

And you come on and say D is "backed in a corner" throws out a "red herring" and other junk?

Okay ... then you answer his question with a better answer than I gave.

If you're going to claim you're a "wise man," let's see it.

I was appalled he even had to ask that question.

It should be obvious which one is right.

But then, I had to consider he's probably college-trained ... like you are probably ... and then I understood.

 

[Jimmy D]

Let me get this straight, Jimmy:

A: Teaches eat, drink, and be merry.

B: Teaches don't touch, die hungry.

C: Asks who's right and how do I know.

D: Points out B's flaw.

And you come on and say D is "backed in a corner" throws out a "red herring" and other junk?

Doesn't mean that they're wrong and you're right though.

He asked how you know you're right, not what aspects of their religion you don't like.

Okay ... then you answer his question with a better answer than I gave.

Sure, the honest answer is that I don't know. But my gut feeling is that neither is right.

If you're going to claim you're a "wise man," let's see it.

I was appalled he even had to ask that question.

It should be obvious which one is right.

But then, I had to consider he's probably college-trained ... like you are probably ... and then I understood.

It's not obvious to me.... but it seems to be to a billion hindus and billions of Christians.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, the honest answer is that I don't know. But my gut feeling is that neither is right.

Then which one is? Scientology? Unity? Urantia? Buddhism? Jainism? Shinto? Bahá'í? Islam? Mormonism? Scientism? Judaism? Catholicism? Calvinism? Lutheranism? Methodism? Presbyterianism? Wesleyanism? Scientology? Dianetics? Protestantism? Jehovah's Witnesses? Satanism? Wiccan? Celtic?

Pick something.

Don't just curse the dark ... light a candle.

And if they're all wrong, then give me the least wrongest, so I can act omniscient too.

 

[Jimmy D]

Then which one is? Scientology? Unity? Urantia? Buddhism? Jainism? Shinto? Bahá'í? Islam? Mormonism? Scientism? Judaism? Catholicism? Calvinism? Lutheranism? Methodism? Presbyterianism? Wesleyanism? Scientology? Dianetics? Protestantism? Jehovah's Witnesses? Satanism? Wiccan? Celtic?

Pick something.

Does my signature info not give you a clue?

Don't just curse the dark ... light a candle.

And if they're all wrong, then give me the least wrongest, so I can act omniscient too.

Oh pipe down, I said I don't know.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh pipe down, I said I don't know.

LOL -- that you did.

 

[Aman777]

What did Christians do before the KJV was released, how would they have known what was the true word of God before this?

The SAME as today. Christians believe God by Faith.

Why should Christians of nowadays take the KJV to be the absolute word of God over everything else?

Because God has used the KJV of the Bible more extensively than any other. It's the most read book in History. Do you think God has a good reason for this? Of course He does. You don't seem to know that He is STILL in charge?

 

[Heissonear]

God's Scriptural Timeline

23 Billion years ago The first Day Gen. 1:3
18 Billion years ago God makes Adam's Earth Gen 1:9-10
14 Billion years ago Adam is formed Gen 2:4
13.8 Billion years ago The Big Bang of our Cosmos happens Gen 2:4
4.53 Billion years ago The present Earth is formed Gen 2:4
3.77 Billion years ago Universal Common Ancestor appears in water Gen 1:21

5-6 Million years ago Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4

11 Thousand years ago Noah brings Human (descendants of Adam) civilization to planet Earth Gen 8:4 Noah's grandsons marry prehistoric people and produce today's Humans

2 Thousand years ago Jesus walks on planet Earth John 3:16

Soon, Jesus returns at Armageddon, rules Earth for a thousand years, and the 6th Day/Age ends Gen 1:31
The 7th Day, the Age of Joy, begins Gen 2:1-3 Amen?

You have tried to mix the Bible with what natural man has produced through science.

And have failed to see man has Idolized Science. Science has become an Idol in their heart.

The way to truth has now become by Science, not the Scriptures. Man has an Idol in his heart that has made him go astray.

Now, you are presenting mixture - a combination of Naturalism with Genesis 1 and 2. A Doctrine. And now teaching such Doctrine that is not Spirit nor Christ centered.

The Doctrine is "Creation Week" centered.

Mere Doctrine presented. Weird Doctrine. Not of the Spirit and Word. But from the Tree of Knowledge and Idolized Science.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

You mean like a nation that has people starving to death while sacred cows roam the streets right in front of them?

You mean like a religion that has a trinity consisting of a god of destruction, whose adherent, wanting to get back to worshiping him in "supreme truth" (or "aum shinrikyo"), poisioned a subway in Tokyo with Sarin nerve gas?

Sure, I also mean like a religion that would have you believe in the trickster God that created the world young making it look incredibly and perfectly old, complete with a history it never had, I also mean like a religion that would have you worship a deity on no evidence and punish you for an eternity if you can't make yourself believe in it anyway as if belief was a choice, I also mean like a religion that fools people into thinking faith healing is real and that it's acceptable to withhold evidence based medicine for your children in lieu, I also mean like a religion that demands its adherents to forego critical thinking and evidence based science to protect a belief that has no basis in reality, especially when such adherents move to enact laws that force their belief onto others that don't accept them because of all the evidence against such a belief, I also mean like a religion that everything its God does or commands is somehow good, no matter what - infanticide, genocide, child sacrifice, rape and pillage, etc.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The SAME as today. Christians believe God by Faith.

as Jews believe in YHWH by faith, and the Muslims believe in Allahu by faith, and the Hindus believe in Shiva, Bramhma and Vishnu by faith, as the sumerians believed in RA by faith, as the Romans and Greeks believed in Zeuss and Jupiter by Faith, as the Vikings believe in Odin by faith, etc.

How is 'faith' not entirely deceptive? What position couldn't one take by 'faith'?

Because God has used the KJV of the Bible more extensively than any other. It's the most read book in History. Do you think God has a good reason for this? Of course He does.

so all the copies and translations before that were false? I don't believe God has any reason for anything.

You don't seem to know that He is STILL in charge?

Correct. in fact, I'll even go so far and say I don't believe he was ever in charge - what's more, I'm still far from convinced Gods of any stripe whatsoever exist at all.