Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

[claninja]

If you move to live in another country does that change the ethnic heritage of who you were born as ?

You asked me this already. I replied "me personally? No" But if my descendents moved to another country and procreated with many other nations over a period of 2500 years, then yes, the ethnic heritage would change.

it is not American-African , American-German etc ,
There are no descendants over 2500 years that moved to America , the oldest they could be is as old as the country and no one has lived that long since the country began , People of OTHER ethic groups that date back 2500 years may have had
descendants of descendants through many multiples of generations that decided to move to America but that does not change their ethnicity from who they were born , just as a Chinese person that is born and raised in America is called a Chinese-American , not a American -Chinese because their true ethnicity is of Chinese genetics .

So if God promised to destroy China 2500 years ago, and then 2500 years later, some, but not all of china moved to America, God would destroy America and not china?

That is essentially what is being said. God promises to destroy meshech and tubal when they attack Israel. 2500 years later through migrations and procreations, some of them may have moved to Russia. So now, 2500 years later God is going to destroy Russia when they attack Israel?

 

[claninja]

You are forgetting that when the modern, political nation of Yugolsavia collapsed, the old, natural, nations immediately sprang up. They wee there all the time, simply masked under modern political names. And every nation mentioned in end time prophecy is still there, even if its modern identity has been masked by current politics.

was this over a period of 2500-3000 years?

 

[Biblewriter]

Where are the words

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

in scripture , and not just your made up interpretation ?

You are using the practices of men as an excuse to deny the very many explicitly stated promises of God. There is a scriptural word for that. And the word is unbelief.

 

[Biblewriter]

was this over a period of 2500-3000 years?

You mean two or three days, in God's timing?

 

[jgr]

Where are the words

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

in scripture , and not just your made up interpretation ?

They're here.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

 

[claninja]

You mean two or three days, in God's timing?

Sure, did this (your example) happen over 3000 human years/ 3 God years?

 

[seventysevens]

You are using the practices of men as an excuse to deny the very many explicitly stated promises of God. There is a scriptural word for that. And the word is unbelief.

Not ! just asking a question, I did not deny anything , you are making assumptions , thinking I said something that I did not say - there is a word for that as well

 

[seventysevens]

You asked me this already. I replied "me personally? No" But if my descendents moved to another country and procreated with many other nations over a period of 2500 years, then yes, the ethnic heritage would change.



So if God promised to destroy China 2500 years ago, and then 2500 years later, some, but not all of china moved to America, God would destroy America and not china?

That is essentially what is being said. God promises to destroy meshech and tubal when they attack Israel. 2500 years later through migrations and procreations, some of them may have moved to Russia. So now, 2500 years later God is going to destroy Russia when they attack Israel?

You obviously did not understand what I said , as your response is ignoring what I said entirely

 

[claninja]

You obviously did not understand what I said , as your response is ignoring what I said entirely

Correct

 

[seventysevens]

So if God promised to destroy China 2500 years ago, and then 2500 years later, some, but not all of china moved to America, God would destroy America and not china?

That is essentially what is being said. God promises to destroy meshech and tubal when they attack Israel. 2500 years later through migrations and procreations, some of them may have moved to Russia. So now, 2500 years later God is going to destroy Russia when they attack Israel?

Israel will be under attack by her enemies just as God said he would bring Israels enemies down to attack Israel , when that happens Jesus will return and end it before Israel is destroyed , If he did not return Israel would be destroyed , anyone that is attacking Israel will be destroyed to show the world that Jesus IS who he said he is , and Israel is His and he will protect Israel;

 

[BABerean2]

Israel will be under attack by her enemies just as God said he would bring Israels enemies down to attack Israel , when that happens Jesus will return and end it before Israel is destroyed , If he did not return Israel would be destroyed , anyone that is attacking Israel will be destroyed to show the world that Jesus IS who he said he is , and Israel is His and he will protect Israel;

Do you think Christ will protect the Israel described in the verses below?


Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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[seventysevens]

Do you think Christ will protect the Israel described in the verses below?

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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Again you are deceived, and misunderstand scripture and cherry picking scripture
There is an ABUNDANT amount of scripture that vividly states that Jesus WILL save Israel
So much you don't understand

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Again you are deceived, and misunderstand scripture and cherry picking scripture
There is an ABUNDANT amount of scripture that vividly states that Jesus WILL save Israel
So much you don't understand

From what I read in Romans 9, it will be a remnant.

Romans 9:
27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the Sand of the Sea, the remnant shall be being saved'". [Isaiah 10:22,23]
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the LORD of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”[fn]

Revelation 20:8
and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations in the Four Corners of the Land, the Gog and Magog,
to be together-assembling them into the battle of which the Number of them as the Sand of the Sea.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]

Ezekiel 7:1 And there is a word of YHWH unto me, saying, "And thou, Son of Man/0120 'adam, thus sayeth 'Adonay Yahweh to the Ground of Yisra'el:
2 An End, come hath the End on the Four Corners of the Land". [Reve 20:8]

 

[seventysevens]

From what I read in Romans 9, it will be a remnant.

Romans 9:
27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the Sand of the Sea, the remnant shall be being saved'". [Isaiah 10:22,23]
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the LORD of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”[fn]

Revelation 20:8
and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations in the Four Corners of the Land, the Gog and Magog,
to be together-assembling them into the battle of which the Number of them as the Sand of the Sea.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]

Ezekiel 7:1 And there is a word of YHWH unto me, saying, "And thou, Son of Man/0120 'adam, thus sayeth 'Adonay Yahweh to the Ground of Yisra'el:
2 An End, come hath the End on the Four Corners of the Land". [Reve 20:8]

I agree , their numbers as a people are not very large to begin with , considering that I would say the remnant would be probably a few hundred thousand , maybe a little less
the amount of people altogether will be much greater than that but most will be the armies that have come against Israel that make up most of the dead

 

[Biblewriter]

Not ! just asking a question, I did not deny anything , you are making assumptions , thinking I said something that I did not say - there is a word for that as well

Sorry, I did not understand your post.

 

[BABerean2]

Again you are deceived, and misunderstand scripture and cherry picking scripture
There is an ABUNDANT amount of scripture that vividly states that Jesus WILL save Israel
So much you don't understand

Then why don't you show us the scripture that makes Matthew 21:42-43, and 1 John 2:22-23, and Revelation 11:8 invalid?

Show us the scripture where Christ said the kingdom would be given back to those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone".

Show us the text which says God will save those who reject His Son.

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[Dave L]

PROVE with scripture when YOU say the 1000 years begins and ends and why it begins and ends

The 1000 years are a symbol, just like the chain and the serpent are symbols. There are two phases the kingdom passes through. It began with Christ's first advent. And culminates when God restores the Kingdom to Israel. The resurrection of believers of all time (Israel) is the restoration that happens on the last day when we enter the New Heavens and earth forever. If you sort through your OT prophecies and divide them according to before Israel's restoration and after Israel's restoration, they will make sense.

 

[Biblewriter]

Then why don't you show us the scripture that makes Matthew 21:42-43, and 1 John 2:22-23, and Revelation 11:8 invalid?

Show us the scripture where Christ said the kingdom would be given back to those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone".

Show us the text which says God will save those who reject His Son.

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Here, as usual, you are attempting to totally misrepresent what Dispensationalists teach. his becomes particularly unacceptable in light of the fact that you claim to know what we teach.

 

[Dave L]

You are using your interpretation of the meanings of a relatively small number of scriptures as an excuse to deny the explicit statements of a far greater number of scriptures. This does not work.

Jesus interpreted the kingdom prophecies for us. But you reject this and side with the Pharisees.

 

[Dave L]

I see no Scripture support of what you say.

Only saints appear in Rev 20. Not resurrected evil zombies as you suggest. “(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished.).... (Revelation 20:5)