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Don't tell me not to over react!! i'm insane, i'm SUPPOSED to over react lolPlease don't 'over react' to what I said now. I don't think you're a "terrible person" at all. I have just read your posts all along realizing that we aren't going to be twin brother and sister in the Lord theologically. I have no problem with that. I never know what to expect from 'others' when they find out we aren't marching in step 'doctrine for doctrine'. Too many times, that's when the 'religious spirited' rattlesnake comes out.
I do believe in the trinity, just not like orthodoxy teaches. Zender has some good stuff IMO, and some wrong stuff IMO. JUST LIKE ME I suspect. And if I knew what I believe that IS wrong, I'd change it. But I don't know, just like everyone else here. I always say; It is Good to have the opinion that you are right, but it is BAD to have the opinion everyone else is WRONG!
Now, as for your quote of 1 John 5:7. Do you know that particular verse was totally added by the KJV authors? It is not in any other translation for that reason. I learned 'that fact' one time when I was arguing for the trinity with a group that are considered a 'Christian cult' by orthodoxy for not believing in the trinity at all. I had to back off and research it to find out that what they said about 'that verse' was true.
Martin used to be a whole lot more respected in the UR community years ago. I have several books and a CD which are very good. But then he 'went south', dumped his wife and after watching your posted video of him, I'd also have to say he's gotten more 'UNsanctified', and acting like that's OK. I don't.
Getting saved in the summer of '72', I cut my teeth on a belief in 'the rapture' along with everyone I knew. The first religious book I read after buying a bible was "The Late Great Planet Earth" by Hal Lindsey. It is now in it's 3rd or 4th revision (????) and still preaching it strong. Those revisions were because his 'prophetic' predictions have come and gone, so now we have change the teaching and keep preaching the lie. I know just say; "False teacher". For an alternative view, I'll suggest the following and you can read as little or as much as you want.
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Looking/Looking1.htm#1
REad what you just said; Who is 'losing' their soul? Is it Jesus, or is it the person?
You're quoting it wrong.
MAT 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
So, is the "him" God, the Father, or is it the Son, or is it the Holy Spirit....or possibly even the adversary???? I don't even have an answer, but neither do I have the 'assumption' that it is 'God/ Jesus', as you appear to have.
Again, don't over react to my one sentence concern over opening my Pandora's theological box, based upon having heard enough of your 'box' POV in prior posts.
it's ok, the only doctrine i get irritated about not walking 'step by step' in is 'eternal torture'... coz i find people who believe in that, prideful, often hateful, and they shun me, i don't shun them... so i'm a little leery of them...
yes, Zender has some great stuff, but it's like he is going out of his way to be different from the church, and leaving himself open to deception... i was listening to him say 'there is nothing special about Jesus' blood' and i thought 'ok, that's enuff Zender now'... plus he is starting to rock back and forth when he talks, talking really fast, saying 'who better to speak for Christ than me?'... and i think he needs a bit of help... i know the enemy tries to discredit UR peeps, and he often does that by making them insane.
so tell me about your belief in the trinity? dare i ask? lol as far as i'm concerned, God is God, Jesus is God... those two are a given for me... i would be TOTALLY scared to commit the unpardonable sin by saying the Holy Spirit isn't God... if Jesus and God weren't one, then why did Jesus have to acsend to heaven before the Holy Spirit could be given to every body else?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/1-john/5-7-compare.html
i see that the verse in question is very messed with in the Bible... i would have to look into who wanted to CUT IT OUT, coz some of those verses just seem 'cut off' and weird... rather than who wanted to add it in, coz it's in a bunch of versions.
so you didn't answer, what about the verses that the rapture is based on? are we supposed to just ignore them? not knowing what they mean?
and what do you mean? JESUS lost His soul from gaining the whole world? i don't think i would want to read the Bible withTHAT much of an open mind lol
and why would Jesus say 'fear him that can destroy the body and soul in hell' if it was the devil, when He always says 'fear not' about the devil??
you skipped over my question that that verse proves a soul that goes on after death...
i don't have much of a theological point of view... coz if God Himself doesn't correct me on something, then i don't get corrected! but AFTER i get corrected, then i will go and study what others think... and aside from SDAs i don't see a group of people more screwed up on doctrine, than URs lol
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