The 'Girl From the Bronx' Grew Up in the Suburbs

[HereIStand]

Can't speak for Bernie, but Donald didn't sell out, he bought off.

Remember the good old days when the GOP stood for small government fiscal hawkishness, with a healthy respect for states' rights? You're not supposed to -- because then you'd have to deal with the fact that they traded all that in for a few SCOTUS nominees.

Both parties have been for big government for some time now. They appeal to different interests groups. Trump to big steel, Obama to big green.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Both parties have been for big government for some time now. They appeal to different interests groups. Trump to big steel, Obama to big green.

If you're implying that Donald is a symptom, not a cause, of the GOP's selling out, I can get behind that.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Trump nor his supporters have never tried to be more blue collar than thou. Okay, maybe Haninty does go on about every job he has ever had, from construction guy to journalist.

Lying? That's fine. Pretending to be blue collar? That's a sin.

 

[HereIStand]

If you're implying that Donald is a symptom, not a cause, of the GOP's selling out, I can get behind that.

The GOP limited government theory works well at the local level, say, with local banks with a limited number of clients. At the national level though, we really need government involved in major industries. We can't compete with other countries otherwise.

 

[Ringo84]

Just in case we missed it, this is Ocasio-Cortez's childhood home:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhCMERUXUAAY68Z.jpg

It's almost like....poverty and wealth can coexist in the same place. Wow! Whoda thunk it, right?

Also, I really "like" how pundits comb through Ocasio-Cortez's poverty bona fides with a fine-tooth comb to see if she's lying. Trump, a "man" who grew up rich, went to fine schools, live(d/s) like a king in Manhattan...was taken at his word that he was a "man of the people" who "understood" blue collar people.

It's also almost as though people of color (and especially those on the left) receive more scrutiny than white folks.
Ringo

 

[TLK Valentine]

The GOP limited government theory works well at the local level, say, with local banks with a limited number of clients. At the national level though, we really need government involved in major industries. We can't compete with other countries otherwise.

Too bad they touted it at every level... and continually criticized the Dems for being against it.

And who needs to compete when you've got tariffs?

 

[PeachyKeane]

The GOP limited government theory works well at the local level, say, with local banks with a limited number of clients. At the national level though, we really need government involved in major industries. We can't compete with other countries otherwise.

Government should have a stake in major industry?

 

[HereIStand]

Too bad they touted it at every level... and continually criticized the Dems for being against it.

And who needs to compete when you've got tariffs?

Jeb Bush did a good job explaining the downsides of banking regulations on small banks. Trump would would probably go along.

Tariffs are a form of competition.

 

[HereIStand]

Government should have a stake in major industry?

More of a plan and strategy for growth. Europe, Japan, China, and Russia all do it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Old Baltimore was probably on par with the Bronx in terms of working class. New Baltimore is more on par with a beautiful park surrounded by places one should never go.

I swear if I hear one more person from outside Baltimore mention The Wire.... I’ve only been here 4 years and i’m already sick of it.

 

[PeachyKeane]

More of a plan and strategy for growth. Europe, Japan, China, and Russia all do it.

Okay, but you're advocating for the government to have a stake in private industry?

 

[Hank77]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/06/28/pers-j28.html

Ocasio-Cortez is a bourgeois politician, not a socialist. She does not question the economic foundations of capitalist society—the ownership of the banks and giant corporations by a financial aristocracy. She does not suggest that the property system in America or the accumulation of unheard-of wealth by a tiny fraction of the population should be questioned, let alone ended.

The article is saying she is not a socialist. That is true she never claimed to be a socialist.

Surely you remember the difference in definition between a socialist and a democratic socialist from Bernie Sanders' campaign.

 

[Hank77]

Okay, but you're advocating for the government to have a stake in private industry?

Scary, is it?
Did Obama get called about every name in the book for backing the auto industry?

 

[HereIStand]

Okay, but you're advocating for the government to have a stake in private industry?

Sure. With subsides, not outright ownership. Similar to what we do with agriculture. It's all private, but the government helps keeps the market running smoothly through subsides. It's worked well agriculture. Why not try it elsewhere.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The article is saying she is not a socialist. That is true she never claimed to be a socialist.

Surely you remember the difference in definition between a socialist and a democratic socialist from Bernie Sanders' campaign.

Remembering and caring are two different things.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sure. With subsides, not outright ownership. Similar to what we do with agriculture. It's all private, but the government helps keeps the market running smoothly through subsides. It's worked well agriculture. Why not try it elsewhere.

Because that's what Democratic Socialism is all about -- and that word gives the Right the willies.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Scary, is it?
Did Obama get called about every name in the book for backing the auto industry?

Yeah, I believe he did.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Sure. With subsides, not outright ownership. Similar to what we do with agriculture. It's all private, but the government helps keeps the market running smoothly through subsides. It's worked well agriculture. Why not try it elsewhere.

The freemarket is overrated anyway.

 

[HereIStand]

Because that's what Democratic Socialism is all about -- and that word gives the Right the willies.

In the States, the focus seems different. Candidates favoring subsides are narrowly focused on being pride candidates, and offering free college and health care. The better aspects of their agenda are overshadowed.

 

[HereIStand]

The freemarket is overrated anyway.

Yes, it is. Free markets work well at the local level. It's hard to have an international free market.