Chair of the House Democratic Caucus defeated in primaries by Socialist

[Rion]

Mostly because they have never encountered what they criticize.

Most of the people who praise it haven't either.

 

[Albion]

Mostly because they have never encountered what they criticize.

That sounds like rather an elitist view of the American public, wouldn't you agree? I am sure that most people do know what Socialism is, despite all the attempts made by Socialists to disguise and soften the impression the word makes. They wouldn't have to do that if the public did not know what Socialism is.

 

[Veritas]

Here's their website: Democratic Socialists of America

It's interesting that they have to deceive in order to present themselves as this progressive, harmless political entity. America was founded on Capitalism and has served her and the world well. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system. Everywhere socialism/communism/marxism has played out, it eventually crumbles. China figured it out. You have to have some capitalism in order to compete and succeed in the modern world. But the truth as Margaret Thatcher has pointed out, eventually you run out of other people's money.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That sounds like rather an elitist view of the American public, wouldn't you agree? I am sure that most people do know what Socialism is, despite all the attempts made by Socialists to disguise and soften the impression the word makes. They wouldn't have to do that if the public did not know what Socialism is.

Why would you be sure of that? Based on what I've seen around here, I'd say that it's not true at all.

What do you think it is?

 

[Speedwell]

Here's their website: Democratic Socialists of America

It's interesting that they have to deceive in order to present themselves as this progressive, harmless political entity. America was founded on Capitalism and has served her and the world well. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system. Everywhere socialism/communism/marxism has played out, it eventually crumbles. China figured it out. You have to have some capitalism in order to compete and succeed in the modern world. But the truth as Margaret Thatcher has pointed out, eventually you run out of other people's money.

Of course Capitalism comes in many flavors. "Capitalism" originally meant a system in which the productive capital of the nation was in private hands. Coupled with a free market economy, it is indeed the most powerful wealth creating engine ever devised. But it must be coupled with free markets to work. "Socialism" originally meant a system in which the productive capital of the nation was owned by the government. The kind of socialism we are talking about here does not entail that; it merely refers to a system in which the government provides welfare and regulatory programs for the working class, leaving private ownership of capital and free markets intact.

 

[wing2000]

One would think the Trump folks would be elated with her victory (Trump was)--- Alexandria defeated a member of the Democratic establishment in a solid blue NYC district.

 

[TLK Valentine]

One would think the Trump folks would be elated with her victory (Trump was)--- Alexandria defeated a member of the Democratic establishment in a solid blue NYC district.

Now, now -- Only Donald is allowed to drain the swamp -- so he can refill it with his cronies... you know this.

 

[PeachyKeane]

The word "socialist" has been demonized to the point that the people demonized it don't know that it means anymore.

Sure I do. It means someone who hates AmericGod, right?

 

[KCfromNC]

...among Democrat voters, that is.

It's correct to say that most of the rest of the public is not warm to the idea of Socialism.

Might be one of Trump's legacies to push them to vote for candidates who support it regardless.

 

[Kentonio]

...among Democrat voters, that is.

It's correct to say that most of the rest of the public is not warm to the idea of Socialism.

Bernie had huge support from independants.

 

[Rion]

She's going to be fun.

What the New York primary victory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez means

The widely circulated campaign video narrated by the candidate falsely presents her as a typical young woman of the working class for whom “going into politics wasn’t in the plan.” Actually, Ocasio-Cortez was groomed for a career in Democratic Party politics. As soon as she graduated from Boston University, she was recruited to work in the office of Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy. Then, after a few years running a business start-up in the Bronx, she became a full-time organizer for the Sanders presidential campaign, laying the groundwork for her successful run for a congressional seat.

Her campaign sought to combine invocations of identity politics—Crowley is 56, white and male, Ocasio-Cortez is 28, Hispanic and female—with a broader appeal to a district that is largely working class but very mixed racially, and with a huge immigrant population. In her campaign video and other materials, Ocasio-Cortez invariably describes herself as “working class” and claims to defend the interests of working people against corporate influence.

But using the term “working class” is by no means the same thing as advocating a program that meets the needs of workers. In class terms, she represents a section of the petty bourgeoisie, particularly Hispanic businessmen and political operatives who have been excluded from their “fair share” by the more powerful Wall Street interests that dominate the Democratic Party. She says nothing at all about the most fundamental question facing humanity, the mounting threat of imperialist war fought with nuclear weapons.

Ocasio-Cortez is a bourgeois politician, not a socialist. She does not question the economic foundations of capitalist society—the ownership of the banks and giant corporations by a financial aristocracy. She does not suggest that the property system in America or the accumulation of unheard-of wealth by a tiny fraction of the population should be questioned, let alone ended.

Oh boy!

 

[LoAmmi]

She's going to be fun.

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What the New York primary victory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez means

The widely circulated campaign video narrated by the candidate falsely presents her as a typical young woman of the working class for whom “going into politics wasn’t in the plan.” Actually, Ocasio-Cortez was groomed for a career in Democratic Party politics. As soon as she graduated from Boston University, she was recruited to work in the office of Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy. Then, after a few years running a business start-up in the Bronx, she became a full-time organizer for the Sanders presidential campaign, laying the groundwork for her successful run for a congressional seat.

Her campaign sought to combine invocations of identity politics—Crowley is 56, white and male, Ocasio-Cortez is 28, Hispanic and female—with a broader appeal to a district that is largely working class but very mixed racially, and with a huge immigrant population. In her campaign video and other materials, Ocasio-Cortez invariably describes herself as “working class” and claims to defend the interests of working people against corporate influence.

But using the term “working class” is by no means the same thing as advocating a program that meets the needs of workers. In class terms, she represents a section of the petty bourgeoisie, particularly Hispanic businessmen and political operatives who have been excluded from their “fair share” by the more powerful Wall Street interests that dominate the Democratic Party. She says nothing at all about the most fundamental question facing humanity, the mounting threat of imperialist war fought with nuclear weapons.

Ocasio-Cortez is a bourgeois politician, not a socialist. She does not question the economic foundations of capitalist society—the ownership of the banks and giant corporations by a financial aristocracy. She does not suggest that the property system in America or the accumulation of unheard-of wealth by a tiny fraction of the population should be questioned, let alone ended.

Oh boy!

Not getting into the whole thing, but the first picture there is mistaken. When pressed, she said they were "black sites" because they wanted to keep members of Congress and the like out. Might not be the best answer, but it is an answer.

 

[wing2000]

Aside from her characterization, she does have a point: There needs to be more transparency and accountability in these facilities where illegal immigrants are held. Historically, it has been an issue across administrations and it needs to end.

 

[Rion]

Not getting into the whole thing, but the first picture there is mistaken. When pressed, she said they were "black sites" because they wanted to keep members of Congress and the like out. Might not be the best answer, but it is an answer.

She removed the anti-war view/belief after winning the nomination, and her whole "common person" bit was a giant act.

 

[Gadarene]

She calls herself a socialist, which makes hives break out on large swaths of the American public.

Lol, it’s always cute when you lot get freaked out over your “socialists.”

You wouldn’t know a socialist if one seized your means of production.

 

[Rion]

Lol, it’s always cute when you lot get freaked out over your “socialists.”

You wouldn’t know a socialist if one seized your means of production.

Laughing at the coming crap show is now freaked out?

 

[Gadarene]

She's going to be fun.

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What the New York primary victory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez means

The widely circulated campaign video narrated by the candidate falsely presents her as a typical young woman of the working class for whom “going into politics wasn’t in the plan.” Actually, Ocasio-Cortez was groomed for a career in Democratic Party politics. As soon as she graduated from Boston University, she was recruited to work in the office of Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy. Then, after a few years running a business start-up in the Bronx, she became a full-time organizer for the Sanders presidential campaign, laying the groundwork for her successful run for a congressional seat.

Her campaign sought to combine invocations of identity politics—Crowley is 56, white and male, Ocasio-Cortez is 28, Hispanic and female—with a broader appeal to a district that is largely working class but very mixed racially, and with a huge immigrant population. In her campaign video and other materials, Ocasio-Cortez invariably describes herself as “working class” and claims to defend the interests of working people against corporate influence.

But using the term “working class” is by no means the same thing as advocating a program that meets the needs of workers. In class terms, she represents a section of the petty bourgeoisie, particularly Hispanic businessmen and political operatives who have been excluded from their “fair share” by the more powerful Wall Street interests that dominate the Democratic Party. She says nothing at all about the most fundamental question facing humanity, the mounting threat of imperialist war fought with nuclear weapons.

Ocasio-Cortez is a bourgeois politician, not a socialist. She does not question the economic foundations of capitalist society—the ownership of the banks and giant corporations by a financial aristocracy. She does not suggest that the property system in America or the accumulation of unheard-of wealth by a tiny fraction of the population should be questioned, let alone ended.

Oh boy!

Oh right, it’s like how Trump isn’t an elite. Somehow.

 

[Rion]

Oh right, it’s like how Trump isn’t an elite. Somehow.

• Gadarene attacked Strawman
• It wasn't very effective.

 

[Gadarene]

• Gadarene attacked Strawman
• It wasn't very effective.

No strawman. If it wasn’t an issue for Trump, why should it be a problem for her? Why is a RWNJ pretending to be a salt-of-the-earth when he clearly isn’t given a pass, but the instant a Dem does it we start unpicking her history?

 

[Rion]

No strawman. If it wasn’t an issue for Trump, why should it be a problem for her? Why is a RWNJ pretending to be a salt-of-the-earth given a pass, but the instant a Dem does it we start unpicking her history?

Well, for one thing the WSWS attacking her immediately after her win doesn't bode well for her. As for Real World: New Jersey, Trump's not far right... I'd label him a blue-dog populist.