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Coccyx - tale of a creationist disinformation post

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That explains that.
So is Old Wise Guy - and he claims that the aorta sends motor impulses to the larynx via the recurrent laryngeal nerve. Why do so many creationist engineers pretend to possess knowledge that they clearly do not possess, I wonder...

Beats me. How many evolutionists claim to follow the scientific method, when they clearly do not?

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So you trust a creationist lawyer paid to write propaganda.
But you have no idea if what he claims is correct, do you?
Typical.

Who would you trust: evolutionists who were still promoting Haeckel's embryos a century after they were revealed as fraudulent, or a Scientist/Lawyer (and a Christian) working with many world-class scientists and researchers who work tirelessly to cross ever "t" and dot every "i"?

I go with Casey, any day of the week. I have seen first hand the deception of the evolution orthodoxy.

For the rest of you, this is part of Casey Luskin's bio, and a link to the rest:

"I am a scientist and an attorney, and hold graduate degrees in science and law. My B.S. and M.S. are in earth sciences from the University of California at San Diego, where I studied geology and evolution extensively at both the graduate and undergraduate levels. (I also minored in history.) My master's thesis focused on the paleomagnetism of the Snake River Plain in southern Idaho."


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The problem with uplift post dating strata is that the strata was therefore not uplifted during the flood.

I am not sure why that is an issue? I was under the impression much of the uplift occurred at the end the flood. Otherwise, how did marine fossils end up high in the Himalayas?

Thus rendering this idea of dinosaurs running to higher ground and surviving prior waves, is untenable.

If the trackways are straight, and in one consistent direction, it makes all the sense in the world that they would be running to escape rising flood waters.

To recap, if you recall, prior megasequences were hypothetically deposited in the Paleozoic, so dinosaurs such as those that produced the Bolivian tracks, should not have been alive to begin with.

Did you expect them to just stand there and be drowned? This we don't know:

  1. How well dinosaurs swam.
  2. How long the rising water took to cover the ground they happened to be perched on.
  3. How turbulent the water was at the time they made the footprints
  4. What happened to the bodies.
Also, superpositionally, dinosaur skeletons are found all throughout mesozoic strata. I will add though that dinosaur skeleotons, when found, are always found on superpositionally equivelant strata to their tracks. For example, you will never find a T Rex track outside of Cretaceous layers. And you will also never find a T Rex skeleton outside of the Cretaceous.

Are they always found on the same layers as their tracks?

I'll also add that, some of the tracks in bolivia were made by pteradactyls. Which of course if they were fleeing they would presumably fly away from a threat, as opposed to waddling away, given that flying allows them to move faster than walking.

Maybe they couldn't fly, or the atmospheric conditions were unsuitable for flight?

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I am not sure why that is an issue? I was under the impression much of the uplift occurred at the end the flood. Otherwise, how did marine fossils end up high in the Himalayas?



If the trackways are straight, and in one consistent direction, it makes all the sense in the world that they would be running to escape rising flood waters.



Did you expect them to just stand there and be drowned? This we don't know:

  1. How well dinosaurs swam.
  2. How long the rising water took to cover the ground they happened to be perched on.
  3. How turbulent the water was at the time they made the footprints
  4. What happened to the bodies.


Are they always found on the same layers as their tracks?



Maybe they couldn't fly, or the atmospheric conditions were unsuitable for flight?

Dan

But the trackways were not straight and in one direction. They were in multiple directions and some tracks changed direction as well.

Oh and you can't say that all the dinosaurs survived prior waters by fleeing to higher ground if there was no uplift.

And there is no evidence for the pteradactyls being injured or weather being too bad for them to fly. Why don't you just admit that they weren't fleeing?
 
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I am not sure why that is an issue? I was under the impression much of the uplift occurred at the end the flood. Otherwise, how did marine fossils end up high in the Himalayas?



If the trackways are straight, and in one consistent direction, it makes all the sense in the world that they would be running to escape rising flood waters.



Did you expect them to just stand there and be drowned? This we don't know:

  1. How well dinosaurs swam.
  2. How long the rising water took to cover the ground they happened to be perched on.
  3. How turbulent the water was at the time they made the footprints
  4. What happened to the bodies.


Are they always found on the same layers as their tracks?



Maybe they couldn't fly, or the atmospheric conditions were unsuitable for flight?

Dan

When was this flood you posit supposed to have occurred exactly?

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Yea. I'm a fan of opabinia and of course the king anomalocaris. I actually live near Cambrian strata where one of the very few speciment of soft bodied preservation of anomalacaris was found. It has yet to be classified though, a new species.
I am so jealous, I live in an area that is generally terrible for fossil hunting.
 
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Most of the above actually consists of durable things such as shark teeth and shells and exoskeletons.

This is why you have countless amounts of shark teeth fossils but far fewer actual shark skeletons, because they weren't instantaneously buried.

Just about every kid who goes out to collect fossils can find hundreds of shark teeth and ammonites and bivalves and trilobite exoskeletons, very easily. But its far more rare to find something like...a full tetrapod skeleton.

And I said before, there are only maybe 50 t Rex skeletons ever discovered and most of them are incomplete.
So I'm not sure where you have envisioned this fantasy world of perfect preservation of billions of terrestrial vertebrates.

I never said there were billions of T-Rex's, did I? What got you onto this T-Rex obsession?

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It is not obvious at all. There is no universal agreement that fusion even happened. If it was a fusion, it was not a simple fusion. And since all humans have the same chromosome 2, it is obvious that all humans descended from a common human ancestor, and that is about all that is "obvious".

Have you read this paper?


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I don’t read creationist crap science claiming that the Flood occurred.
Even in Central Park New York City it’s possible to see where glaciers from the ice ages scraped the tops of huge boulders . I understood some things about plate tectonics at age 10 (which was in 1965 ) which was around the same time that plate tectonics was first becoming generally know to the public . I’ve never believed that Flood myth is a factual event. Even though I have a biology degree my first love was geology because 1 some rocks were pretty and 2 plate tectonics fascinated me.
 
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Also, notice how the kaibab limestone consists of all aquatic organisms. Even though prior strata such as terrestrial strata of the Carboniferous, contains things like terrestrial reptiles. But then layers prior to that again, such as marine strata of the ordovician, again only presents aquatic.life forms. Never do we find animals beyond their respective environments. Not unless they're displaced or have tumbled beyond their boundaries.

According to Kurt Wise, very little of the fossil record supports evolution; and the 5% that does, also supports the flood model.

Wise first developed an evolutionary tree. He then compared the order of branching of the evolutionary tree with the order of branching found in the fossil record, and found that 95% of the major fossil groups appeared randomly with respect to evolution.

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I actually made a post in our other topic. And I think people here might enjoy it, so I'll post it again for you @Bible Research Tools

Near me, by the Appalachian trail, in the Appalachian basin which contains rocks that were, according to Kurt wise, deposited as part of the Tippecanoe sequence...

There is an angular unconformity, in which older ordovician strata, rests in a horizontal position, with vertical silurian strata resting adjacent to it, and in between there is an erosional surface containing conglomerate

Such a feature cannot be explained by a global flood, much less could it be explained as deposited by a single giant wave that produced the megasequence that it resides within.

Please explain to the audience how you propose that a single giant wave passing over north america, which deposited the tippacaneo sequence, formed such a structure.

Do you have a photo?

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and by evolutionists, I imagine you mean non-creationists. In that respect, I agree that unlike creation scientists who seek the truth about creation, other scientists just seek the truth.

I agree that other scientists also seek the truth. But evolutionists are not scientists.

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How do you tell which scientists are evolutionists and which are not?
Essentially, those that believe they came from monkeys, and further back in time believe they're related to insects and slugs or anything that hatches eggs are evolutionists.
 
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I never said there were billions of T-Rex's, did I? What got you onto this T-Rex obsession?

Dan

You said there were billions of fossils. If you're talking about sea shells, this isn't surprising that they're common.
 
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According to Kurt Wise, very little of the fossil record supports evolution; and the 5% that does, also supports the flood model.
Not sure how they could hope to conclude that when considering fossil footprints. How the heck could footprints in mud remain distinct after immediately being covered in sediment?

Wise first developed an evolutionary tree. He then compared the order of branching of the evolutionary tree with the order of branching found in the fossil record, and found that 95% of the major fossil groups appeared randomly with respect to evolution.

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Not sure what he means by "randomly", seeing as groups of organisms actually appear with distinct trends. For example, amphibians predate mammals, and you'll never find a mammalian fossil even close to as old as the oldest amphibian fossil. Ever.

I'm kinda pleased that you bring up Kurt Wise, though. He has legitimate academic credentials when it comes to evaluating fossils, a real PhD. He's one of the few YEC's I've seen that on record was willing to debunk a fossil fraud promoted by another creationist as well.

Got a link to where he says the stuff you claim he says? I prefer not to judge a person's words without a source of those words.
 
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I find it curious that some Americans think they live in a theocracy, when both the First Amendment and the Treaty of Tripoli suggests otherwise...

The "Treaty of Tripoli" argument is the go-to secular humanist argument based on what was apparently a flawed translation (known as the "Barlow" translation) of the original Arabic document. The Hunter-Miller Notes explain:

"Most extraordinary (and wholly unexplained) is the fact that Article 11 of the Barlow translation, with its famous phrase, "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," does not exist at all. There is no Article 11."


The fact that an almost exclusively Christian Senate approved the treaty, and a devout Christian president named John Adams signed the treaty, should give any conscientious individual second thoughts about promoting that treaty as proof against our nation's Christian heritage.

Arguing against our Christian heritage makes even less sense when one considers the fact that, only a few years before the treaty, one of the first acts of the first Congress was to install Christian chaplains for both the House and Senate; and it makes even less sense when one considers that a few years later, President Thomas Jefferson negotiated treaties with the Indians (ratified by the Senate) which funded out of the public treasury the sending of Christian missionaries to evangelize the Indians.

Even a century later, the opinion of the 1892 Supreme Court stated this is Christian Nation:

"These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a Congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?" [Justice Brewer, the Opinion of the Court, "Supreme Court: Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States." Justia, 1892]


Read the entire opinion to see how far our nation has been led astray from its founding principles by those wishing to destroy us.

The bottom line is, this nation was founded as a Christian Nation. Don't let anyone trick you into believing otherwise.

For the record, I believe this is the final document for the Treaty of Tripoli:



The First Amendment was intended to protect the religious liberty of the states and the people from the federal government, not the other way around. All one really has to do to understand it is to carefully read it:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech
, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of
grievances."

The constitution-haters (freedom-haters) do not want you to know that the prohibition is on the federal congress, not on the states, nor the people. They also do not want you to read and understand this part:

"Congress shall make no law . . . prohibiting the
free exercise [of religion]; or abridging the freedom of speech"

The purpose of the establishment clause was to ensure the federal government did not establish and endorse a denomination to suppress the people's religious freedoms, such as the suppressive Church of England in those days, or like the currently established and suppressive religion of evolutionism.

The usurpers have tricked many (including you, it seems) into believing the federal government has the constitutional power to restrict the free exercise of religion, and to abridge free speech; when the lawful powers of the federal government are, in fact, few and defined in Article 1, Section 8, and were never intended to suppress the religious heritage of the people.

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If you want that to be true you had better be prepared to bring it about by force of arms, because that's the only way it's going to happen.

I fear you may be correct.

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I lack the skill, the patience and the tact to deal with self-indulgent ignorance on this scale. I have done my best. You have no interest in facing reality. You reject the opportunity to be edcuated. I have no interest in pandering further to your delusions. Thank you for the effort and time you have taken for your responses. I shall do my best not to trouble you further.

You are most welcome.

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