Why Do Evolutionists Always Battle the Theist and Not the Discussion?

[Chinchilla]

Preventing my child from walking off a pier into shark infested waters, is what love is.

Having the ability to prevent pain and suffering, but watching idly, that hate.

Why do you think that ?

 

[HitchSlap]

Why do you think that ?

My statement should be self explanatory.

 

[Chinchilla]

My statement should be self explanatory.

What if it served great purpose ? There were firefighters who died in flames but rescued children stuck in building .

 

[AV1611VET]

Letting your child walk off the end of a tall pier into shark infested waters is not love.

What's letting a 20 year old married man who was created mature and told not to go on the pier called?

 

[HitchSlap]

What's letting a 20 year old married man who was created mature and told not to go on the pier called?

Helicopter parenting?

 

[AV1611VET]

Helicopter parenting?

Um ... no.

 

[HitchSlap]

What if it served great purpose ? There were firefighters who died in flames but rescued children stuck in building .

And approximately 250 children under the age of fifteen die every day from cancer.

So, knowing this ^^^ if you had the power to stop this from occurring by simply flipping a switch, an action that would literally cost you nothing, and take just a second to complete... would you?

Why, or why not?

 

[HitchSlap]

Um ... no.

Overbearing parents?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, knowing this ^^^ if you had the power to stop this from occurring by simply flipping a switch, an action that would literally cost you nothing, and take just a second to complete... would you?

No.

Why, or why not?

That might look good at first, but a perusal of the books of Moses shows it doesn't last long.

Numbers 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

 

[Chinchilla]

And approximately 250 children under the age of fifteen die every day from cancer.

So, knowing this ^^^ if you had the power to stop this from occurring by simply flipping a switch, an action that would literally cost you nothing, and take just a second to complete... would you?

Why, or why not?

God not only has power to stop it but he actually called this thing you call cancer to happen to humanity it's called curse . It's failure of replicating of DNA caused by that curse , Viruses try to break your DNA even more . That's to season your argument with some spices

According to Bible wage of sin is death , it's wage not punishment . You reap what you sow .

Then you should say okay they sinned they are punished , but why small children die they did not do anything wrong yet didn't they ?

God can punish thier parents with death of thier children , there is something called age of accountability and children go to heaven. Parents feel grief because they love thier children , just like God felt grief when they sinned against him because he loved them .

Exodus 34:7
Read how David was punished for what he has done and what was God's reaction to that .

1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.

2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:

3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.

4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:

6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.

20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.

21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.

22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?

23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

 

[tas8831]

Every time I've ever seen a debate going on about creation versus evolution. The evolutionists always battle the creationist directly rather than the concepts at hand. If we are discussing the idea that animals all came from the same thing why can't we stick with that idea until the end? But rather instead of making progress towards understanding, the evolutionists break down into bickering with the person himself about how well he argues his point and whether there is validity through that. If we all stick to the concepts and just the concepts, then there should be no reason why we couldn't make progress towards a common understanding.

It is hard to make such progress when the creationists engage in the antics that they do. The 'bickering' you refer to, in my experience, is typically about how erroneous the claims the creationist made are, and their refusal to acknowledge this at all costs. It is hard to progress when a creationist claims the coccyx is not vestigial because no human ever had a tail. It is hard to progress when the creationist insists that speciation occurs only via hybridization, no matter what is presented. it is their technique - to be obstinate and to duck and dodge and accuse, then cry foul. I have watched this play out for more than 20 years, and it never changes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Overbearing parents?

Get the focus off the parents [sic] and back where it belongs, and you'll [hopefully] understand.

That smacks of polytheism.

I know you academians like to equate Adam & Eve as "children," since in academia's estimation they were all "ignorant goat herders," but the fact is academia can take a hike.

I always cringe when I see someone equating Adam & Eve as if they were little kids who didn't know better.

It also makes them look like brother and sister; not man and wife.

And academia loves to play the incest card.

Well ... God is going to come back someday and put an end to all this academic bologna once and for all.

Adam & Eve were not children playing on a pier over shark-infested waters.

They were a mature married couple.

 

[HitchSlap]

No.

As I suspected you might say. Which is why I have a higher moral standard than you.

That might look good at first, but a perusal of the books of Moses shows it doesn't last long.

Numbers 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

I would place a higher value on saving 250 children a day from the pain and suffering of a cancer related death, over my ego.

 

[Chinchilla]

Why shouldn't they die ? Isn't it surviving of the fittests ?

How can you be mad at God for not healing them if he does not exist . I'm not mad at monster under my bed for having bad night sleep it's not there .

Or maybe you are angry with God because he decides to heal some people but let others suffer ?

 

[AV1611VET]

As I suspected you might say. Which is why I have a higher moral standard than you.

Only because you have an academic view of what "moral" means.

I would place a higher value on saving 250 children a day from the pain and suffering of a cancer related death, over my ego.

No, you wouldn't.

You might at first, but you wouldn't be able to keep it up.

Especially if some of them that you cured beat, tortured, then hanged your son on a tree.

 

[Chinchilla]

Only because you have an academic view of what "moral" means.

No, you wouldn't.

You might at first, but you wouldn't be able to keep it up.

Especially if some of them that you cured beat, tortured, then hanged your son on a tree.

Isn't this irony that four days before it happend they proclaimed him as Messiah yet decided to crucify him few days after ?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

What is love ?

Baby don't hurt me! Don't hurt me! No more!

 

[tas8831]

I think it comes out of frustration. Deflection, misrepresentation, refusal to even acknowledge the evidence being presented... It starts to get to you. You know you should just walk away, but would you just walk away from someone intentionally misrepresenting your position to others? I bet you don't which is probably why you're even on this forum. I don't doubt that you believe your position to be correct and closest to the "Truth." The difference is the evolutionists have all this evidence for what we're presenting and it looks like the creationists are sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling, "la, la, la! I can't hear you!" And then the preaching starts, even to fellow Christians which is actually quite amusing to me, personally.

So, yeah.

Agree 100%.

 

[HitchSlap]

Why shouldn't they die ?

Assuming god loves us, then I can imagine wanting to save my children from a painful illness and death. I would never let my own children die from a painful ilness like cancer if I had the power to stop it.

Isn't it surviving of the fittests ?

Are you suggesting that C-sections should be outlawed, too?

How can you be mad at God for not healing them if he does not exist .

Whatever gave you the idea I was mad. We're simply having a discussion about a character in a book.

I'm not mad at monster under my bed for having bad night sleep it's not there .

I'm confused, either you have a monster under your bed, or you don't. Which is it?

Or maybe you are angry with God because he decides to heal some people but let others suffer ?

I suppose you could believe that he heals leg length discrepancies, or helps you find you car keys, but one thing I know for certain, he hates amputees.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isn't this irony that four days before it happend they proclaimed him as Messiah yet decided to crucify him few days after ?

Unless it was a different crowd that called for His execution.

I figure it was the academians, not the koine, that put Him to death.

I believe if He came back tomorrow and did the exact same things He did the first time He was here (heal the sick, raise the dead, etc.), scientists and other academians would have Him crucified well before three years were up.