Why Do Evolutionists Always Battle the Theist and Not the Discussion?

[Brightmoon]

[QUOTE="EastCoastRemnant, post: 72831426, member: 273791You can patent a theory? Interesting...

You can patent a vaccine or didn’t you realize that the weakened viruses they use in some vaccines, evolved .

Humans are also manipulative, greedy, selfish, covetous, lustful and a myriad of other behavioral constructs, Why is the social aspect the one that has precedence?
Because we share cooperative or semi-cooperative social aspect behaviors with other animals that herd together and teach their young just like we do. Elephants for example

 

[Clint Edwards]

. So you’ve left me with the assumption that you can’t . Given your other posts I feel that’s a reasonable assumption. I’ve rarely met a creationist who could . They usually give some pseudoscience definition that’s not accepted by the mainstream science community and the reason that I asked is because creationists have their own bizarre versions of evolution that, in no way, matches anything from mainstream science.

Assume away ! I don't take pop quizzes given by self appointed professors, of everything.

I thought the reason you asked was because you didn't know ! How disingenuous.

 

[Nithavela]

Assume away ! I don't take pop quizzes given by self appointed professors, of everything.

I thought the reason you asked was because you didn't know ! How disingenuous.

This is the debate forum section, not the education forum section.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

What part of this chapter is offensive to you? Servitude was God's idea but not the basterdized form of slavery we had in the US.

Probably the bit where you can beat your slaves as long as they don't die in a day or two, that your 7 year freedom only applied to male hebrew servants that weren't tricked into staying slaves for life, while the male hebrew slaves that were tricked into lifelong slavery, along with female hebrews and all the other heathen slaves are your property for life and that you can pass them onto your children as inherited property and how their children who are born into slavery will stay slaves for life because of it, etc.

...unless you agree the bible is wrong on that too?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If the theory works, you can patent applications of it.

But I wonder why you think the theory of evolution has to explain our capacity for moral awareness?

Because we were created DIFFERENT from all other animals.... something only a Creator could do and not random chance.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You can patent a vaccine or didn’t you realize that the weakened viruses they use in some vaccines, evolved .

Oh my goodness!! It changed into..... wait for it.... a virus.

Humans are also manipulative, greedy, selfish, covetous, lustful and a myriad of other behavioral constructs, Why is the social aspect the one that has precedence?
Because we share cooperative or semi-cooperative social aspect behaviors with other animals that herd together and teach their young just like we do. Elephants for example [/QUOTE]

Ever wonder why the ability to construct shelter was missed in all the higher life forms' evolutionary journey?... ants, bees, spiders and birds as examples, are excellent builders of extremely intricate designs. Why do our supposedly closest relative, the primate, show none of these abilities? Seems there's another "gap" in the theory to ponder.

 

[Speedwell]

Because we were created DIFFERENT from all other animals.... something only a Creator could do and not random chance.

No, that's why you think the theory of evolution doesn't explain our capacity for moral awareness.

What I wanted to know is, why you think evolutionists ought to be able to explain it in terms of biological evolution? The origin of self-aware intelligence is not well understood and and may have social or environmental causes in addition to or exclusive of biological evolution. It is even possible to believe that it required a singular event of divine intervention. Why should the theory of evolution explain any of that?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

No, that's why you think the theory of evolution doesn't explain our capacity for moral awareness.

What I wanted to know is, why you think evolutionists ought to be able to explain it in terms of biological evolution? The origin of self-aware intelligence is not well understood and and may have social or environmental causes in addition to or exclusive of biological evolution. It is even possible to believe that it required a singular event of divine intervention. Why should the theory of evolution explain any of that?

Well, our camp has that figured out so if you want to concede on this issue, so be it.

 

[Speedwell]

Well, our camp has that figured out so if you want to concede on this issue, so be it.

Concede what? That "your camp" has an explanation which I find to be theologically unsatisfactory and that I don't think biological evolution can explain it fully either?

 

[HitchSlap]

Well, our camp has that figured out so if you want to concede on this issue, so be it.

But you don’t.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

But you don’t.

Thanx for your opinion.... appreciate it.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Ask 1.5 million children a year if they agree with you.

did they suffer like the 11 million children under 5 who die every year to diarrhoea, malaria, neonatal infection, pneumonia, preterm delivery, or lack of oxygen at birth that your God (and not science) saw fit to include in our existence? What about the 275,000 women who die every year as a result of pregnancy and childbirth complications?

Of the industrialised nations though (i.e. those who actively engage in scientific research & evidence based medicine and therapy), we only suffer 7 lives lost for every 1000 children under 5 - far outstripping asia and subsaharan africa at 97 and 174 per 1000 respectively. UNICEF - Goal: Reduce child mortality - it's almost as if science is doing a better job of saving our under 5's than your God is capable of... I can't say I've seen your God saving any children - but if he exists and the bible is his infallible word, then we do know of him killing them and expecting us to kill them in his name too...

I also couldn't help but notice that of the first world industrial nations, the US, close to the most religious, or the most fundamentally religious outright (depending on how you count the industrialised nations) - has the highest maternal mortality rate at 26.4 deaths per 100,000 - nearly triple Germany, the next closest country on 9 deaths per 100,000. It's almost as if there's a statistically substantial reason, or something. Maternal death - Wikipedia

 

[AV1611VET]

did they suffer like the 11 million children under 5 who die every year to diarrhoea, malaria, neonatal infection, pneumonia, preterm delivery, or lack of oxygen at birth that your God (and not science) saw fit to include in our existence?

No, they were burned to death by saline solution.

Following that, some were burned as fuel.

Leviticus 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

It's almost as if there's a statistically substantial reason, or something.

Ever heard of the seven sons of Sceva?

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Satan goes after God's people; the rest already belong to him.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

No, they were burned to death by saline solution.

Following that, some were burned as fuel.

Wrong on both accounts.

Leviticus 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

"The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff." - Carl Sagan, Cosmos​

Ever heard of the seven sons of Sceva?

Not til now.... but Cool Story bro!

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark​

Satan goes after God's people; the rest already belong to him.

....perhaps you're praying to the wrong God then? it seems Satan is the one with all the power these days if he can do that in the face of the almighty, not God...

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Because we were created DIFFERENT from all other animals.... something only a Creator could do and not random chance.

...but we're not, how are we different? What do we do that other animals aren't able to do on a more basic level?

 

[Brightmoon]

The only difference seems to be one of degree . Humans can do some things better than the other animals and the other animals can do some things better than humans . The only uniquely human traits we have are the ability to make music and to dance! Ironically, the two things that some fundies have a lot of problems with.

 

[Brightmoon]

Oh my goodness!! It changed into..... wait for it.... a virus.

Humans are also manipulative, greedy, selfish, covetous, lustful and a myriad of other behavioral constructs, Why is the social aspect the one that has precedence?
Because we share cooperative or semi-cooperative social aspect behaviors with other animals that herd together and teach their young just like we do. Elephants for example

Ever wonder why the ability to construct shelter was missed in all the higher life forms' evolutionary journey?... ants, bees, spiders and birds as examples, are excellent builders of extremely intricate designs. Why do our supposedly closest relative, the primate, show none of these abilities? Seems there's another "gap" in the theory to ponder.[/QUOTE]

What did you expect a virus to turn into ? Turning something like a small theropod dinosaur into a bird took millions of years . Turning a 4 legged piscivore like pakicetus into a whale took millions of years . Both evolved into several different species before showing their basic modern anatomy .

Non human Primates build sleeping nests if they build at all. Warm climate hunter gatherers build shelters only to keep wild animals away or to keep off precipitation. And fire works better than a flimsy shelter to keep away the animals

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong on both accounts.

Really?

What's this then?

Thousands of unborn foetuses incinerated to heat UK hospitals

 

[HitchSlap]

Really?

What's this then?

Thousands of unborn foetuses incinerated to heat UK hospitals

What would you have done in this situations, if you were the boss?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Every time I've ever seen a debate going on about creation versus evolution. The evolutionists always battle the creationist directly rather than the concepts at hand. If we are discussing the idea that animals all came from the same thing why can't we stick with that idea until the end? But rather instead of making progress towards understanding, the evolutionists break down into bickering with the person himself about how well he argues his point and whether there is validity through that. If we all stick to the concepts and just the concepts, then there should be no reason why we couldn't make progress towards a common understanding.

When you got no real science to defend your stance, attacking the poster is the only option you have left.

When every common ancestor on every single tree is missing, you avoid discussing that and attack the poster.

When every single fossil remains the same from the oldest to the youngest found for that type, you avoid discussing that and attack the poster.

When Asian mates with Asian and produces Asian, and only when they mate with another such as African do new variations appear, you avoid discussing that and attack the poster.

It’s the only recourse they have when no evidence supports their belief.