STILL no evidence FOR creation/ID

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I have a feeling that what you mean by "try to do better" is "embrace evolution."

Not at all. But making an effort to understand it would be something.

Although I do recall you stating you feared divine punishment if you were to try to understand biological evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

Although I do recall you stating you feared divine punishment if you were to try to understand biological evolution.

You might have me mixed up with someone else.

I hope I didn't say that.

 

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You might have me mixed up with someone else.

I hope I didn't say that.

This post: Want to learn about evolution? Take a free course

I had pointed out that there seemed to be an element of fear when it came to learning about evolution (based on some of the responses from creationists in that thread).

Your response to that was:

It's a type of fear you're not familiar with.

It's called THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
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I followed up with a question asking you if you were afraid God would punish you for taking a science class, but you never responded to that.

If you wish to clarify your position on the subject, then by all means do so.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your response to that was:

It's a type of fear you're not familiar with.

It's called THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
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I followed up with a question asking you if you were afraid God would punish you for taking a science class, but you never responded to that.

If you wish to clarify your position on the subject, then by all means do so.

1. The fear of the LORD is a reverential fear -- it's an impetus for reverence.

2. I do not fear divine punishment for taking a science class.

 

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1. The fear of the LORD is a reverential fear -- it's an impetus for reverence.

Then does it have anything to do with being afraid to learning about evolution? But the impression I get from creationists is that there is a fear there for some.

2. I do not fear divine punishment for taking a science class.

Then why don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why don't you?

Why don't you take a course in macramé?

 

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Why don't you take a course in macramé?

You avoided my first question:

Do you believe that the Lord might punish someone for learning about evolution? Do you believe that someone is legitimate in fearing learning about the subject of evolution?

Second, I have no interest in macramé hence I don't take a course in it. However, the creationists on this forum do demonstrate an interest in evolution by their continual attempts to argue against it. Thus, it would behoove anyone in that position to learn about what they are trying to argue. They have a vested interest in doing so.

The only reason I can see not to is either laziness or fear.

Which is it for you?

 

[Brightmoon]

A species can't undergo a macroevolutionary change by definition, because a species is not a kind.

Furthermore, the species you referred to were strains of wheat from what I could understand, so probably didn't undergo the same rigour of scrutiny for classification in the first place as animals, even were this an example of macroevolutionary change (i.e. at the genus level as a minimum, although genus and kind do not have identical meanings).

. The chromosome numbers were so different in these wheat species that they cannot mate

 

[Aman777]

What is a kind? Not an example, a definition.

A Scriptural kind is one of two kinds. Eternal kinds, which will be in Heaven, are all Their kinds (God the Trinity). Temporary kinds are subject to death and are His kinds (kinds made by the hands of Jesus). ie. humankind Gen 2:7

 

[Brightmoon]

Creationists have their own version of the theories of evolution that neither biologists nor medical researchers use . If you want to criticize evolution then you need to use the mainstream version because the creationist version is a silly fantasy . I don’t remember who said it but lizards aren’t dinosaurs . They’re both diapsids but that lineage is very large. Birds are theropod dinosaurs

 

[AV1611VET]

I don’t remember who said it but lizards aren’t dinosaurs. … Birds are theropod dinosaurs.

Which is it?

Are birds avian dinosaurs, or aren't they?

 

[Brightmoon]

So

Which is it?

Are birds avian dinosaurs, or aren't they?

some theropods were bird ancestors and some ,like T. rex ,weren’t . If you didn’t know the difference between a dinosaur and a lizard why are you criticizing professional biologists and paleontologists . You couldnt pass a middle school biology exam let alone argue with a PhD over the validity of a major scientific theory

 

[Brightmoon]

Arrogantly ignorant isn’t a good look for you , dahlink , try orange or green!

 

[AV1611VET]

So
some theropods were bird ancestors and some ,like T. rex ,weren’t . If you didn’t know the difference between a dinosaur and a lizard why are you criticizing professional biologists and paleontologists . You couldnt pass a middle school biology exam let alone argue with a PhD over the validity of a major scientific theory

As I understand it, dinosaur means "terrible lizard."

As I understand it, birds are considered avian dinosaurs.

Putting the two together gives me:

Birds are avian terrible lizards.

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Arrogantly ignorant isn’t a good look for you , dahlink , try orange or green!

What?

 

[Brightmoon]

Anatomy is completely different between a lizard and a dinosaur. Your confusion is because they’re both reptiles. ( yes birds are reptiles we just don’t normally think of them that way)

 

[AV1611VET]

Anatomy is completely different between a lizard and a dinosaur. Your confusion is because they’re both reptiles. ( yes birds are reptiles we just don’t normally think of them that way)

So "avian dinosaur" is a misnomer?

Kinda like "flying squirrel"?

 

[Brightmoon]

Some dinosaurs aren’t bird ancestors. For example, Sauropods aren’t bird ancestors. Some theropod lineages like the ones that lead to T. rex aren’t bird ancestors either. One lineage of the Theropoda lead to the birds. Avian dinosaurs is accurate . There are also non avian dinosaurs

 

[Brightmoon]

Want an example of muddying the waters?
Go and read anything on that site you linked to.

If you wish to learn about biology, go to scientific sources instead of known fundamentalist propaganda.

Which is it?

Are birds avian dinosaurs, or aren't they?

You didn’t address the what I wrote.
Creationists have their own fantastical version of evolution. The creationist version of evolution is not used by either the scientific community nor by the medical research field. You’ve learned that creationist version and you’re trying to refute that . You’re not addressing the real version of evolution, that scientists use, at all.

 

[Brightmoon]

I’m going to put this picture of a velociraptor here with and without the tail . If you just saw the short tail image (and you didn’t notice the gastralia, and the teeth) you’d think this was some kind of a bird

Gastralia are those funny looking riblike bones across the belly area