If we are in the End Times...

[Inkfingers]

Do you think we are in the End Times?

If yes, what do you make of the following:

"...in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

 

[Tolworth John]

Do you think we are in the End Times?

If yes, what do you make of the following:

"...in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

Sounds like an accurate discription of today.

 

[Tolworth John]

Mind you, every age has said the same thing about there 'today'.

 

[frater_domus]

Sounds like an accurate discription of today.

Actually, sounds like humans in general. Nothing of that is limited to our time in particular, only that the scale increased due to population and tech. I agree that the 'end times' are the time between the chronological end of the bible and the end of the material world, however it may look. But I do not think it is any time soon. But then again, how should we know? Matthew 24:36-44 (No one knows the day or hour)

 

[Inkfingers]

My point is that IF we are in the End Times, consider the Bold text...

 

[seventysevens]

4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

That covers a lot - but points to an empty religious teaching , people prepossessing to know God , but actually they do not , they teach something that is false in such a manner that to be seen as something true such as humanism
Professing things that appeal to people as good , but yet denying the true power - like talking all about love and the goodness of it - while only loving themselves and seeking what they can get for only themselves
They easily get people to follow them as those that follow are full of evil desire of fulfilling their own desires and don't care about anyone but themselves and what they want for themselves- it is easy to lead astray people who look for the easy to prey on - a fool and their money shall soon be parted -


The way to know we are in the End times --Last Days is to examine what is to be happening in the Last Days are compare if those things are happening in our time and yes indeed they are happening and as Jesus said - it will continue like birth pains of a pregnant woman - they will happen more and more frequently and with greater and greater levels of intensity up until the new birth -
In the case of the Last Days that new birth is when Jesus has come to earth with HIS new Kingdom come to earth

 

[Claudia Zimmer]

I can avoid people but how can I avoid myself, these are the weeknesses of all humans. Forgiving could be a way. How do you understand this verse?

 

[sdowney717]

Avoid such people, from such turn away, means do not fellowship with those of the world so as to join in with them. Remember LOT.

And such persons will be obviously immoral wicked people to your eyes who are following the lusts of men. And false religion is also of the fleshly lusts having Satan as their inspiration. The fact is false religion denies Christ, His power of being God, who is Jesus Christ, they deny the Father and the Son, who came in the flesh. born as a man. Denying the power of God in the Christian faith can mean many things, all of them bad. Such would include denying the truth in the scriptures.

1 Peter 4 New King James Version (NKJV)
Christ’s Example to Be Followed

4 Therefore, since Christ suffered [a]for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

 

[Inkfingers]

I can avoid people but how can I avoid myself, these are the weeknesses of all humans. Forgiving could be a way. How do you understand this verse?

I think that people use arguments like that as an excuse for doing nothing, which leads to them slipping all the further given that "Bad company corrupts good character". (1 Corinthians 15:33)

And I think that the verse is clearly telling us to avoid people who have those qualities. It is akin to "what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness... come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord" (2 Corinthians 6:14-17).

Are people suggesting that being separate / having nothing to do with them is not actually possible?

 

[Claudia Zimmer]

I have an honest question, where do you find people who are not self-loving, money-loving and obeying their parents all the time? You are right with the excuse-thing. I really tried with Jesus' help to be a better person and failed. There are a lot of things I see different now and I am more understanding and maybe loving. But the sin-part stays and I need Jesus all the time to pick me up.

 

[Drought of the Heart]

Yes , for many reasons not just one . We are different from other generations that has seen much of Matthew 24 , Mark 13 and Luke 21. Our technology is one but what America and other places has set children of future generations for marriage and what sex to be is the biggest. Since the eclipse in 2017 I have kept a log of events since Hurricane Harvey is is massive and not even a year. We are in a time of woes and repentance ...thanks for thread

 

[seventysevens]

I think that people use arguments like that as an excuse for doing nothing, which leads to them slipping all the further given that "Bad company corrupts good character". (1 Corinthians 15:33)

And I think that the verse is clearly telling us to avoid people who have those qualities. It is akin to "what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness... come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord" (2 Corinthians 6:14-17).

Are people suggesting that being separate / having nothing to do with them is not actually possible?

There are wicked people in the world , we cannot avoid everyone , people have jobs , and whatever sports or hobbies they have , and no way to be involved in much if a person refuses to be around selfish/wicked and how else can you reach people and tell them about the love of Jesus if we avoid everyone ,
the verse is focusing on those that teach a religion that is taught as if it was about God -when it really is not as they deny the power of the Christ

 

[Inkfingers]

There are wicked people in the world , we cannot avoid everyone , people have jobs , and whatever sports or hobbies they have , and no way to be involved in much if a person refuses to be around selfish/wicked and how else can you reach people and tell them about the love of Jesus if we avoid everyone ,
the verse is focusing on those that teach a religion that is taught as if it was about God -when it really is not as they deny the power of the Christ

In the end we have a choice to make...and if the Bible commands us to do it, then it must be possible.

 

[Claudia Zimmer]

There are wicked people in the world , we cannot avoid everyone , people have jobs , and whatever sports or hobbies they have , and no way to be involved in much if a person refuses to be around selfish/wicked and how else can you reach people and tell them about the love of Jesus if we avoid everyone ,
the verse is focusing on those that teach a religion that is taught as if it was about God -when it really is not as they deny the power of the Christ

thank you, very helpful

 

[angeltrue]

Do you think we are in the End Times?

If yes, what do you make of the following:

"...in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

I think the above verse is an exact description of what we're facing today. I'm just wondering when it's going to come to fruition. The ungodliness is pandemic in our culture. I feel a sense of pressure every day to live godly. My adult children are in the world and it hurts to see them influenced by it. I pray but don't know what else to do.

 

[bjdea1]

I'm new here - well new in the sense I haven't posted in 3+ years. Hope people don't mind me joining the discussion.

I agree with the general sentiment that we are in the Last Days. I think the only way to really know is to look at multiple scriptures regarding signs of the Last Days. For example we know the Mark of the Beast requires technology and that today we have that technology. Another example is we know a there will be a Global Government, today we have the United Nations growing into that role. Also another example is we know there will be a One World religion, the uniting of all religions under a single false God. We have been seeing this get closer a lot the last few decades.

In fact I would like to elaborate on that last point. Currently I believe we are seeing a acceleration of the uniting of religions under the concept of Oneness. That all faiths believe that there is only 1 God. This movement seems to be really gaining momentum lately and the only thing that will not yoke with it is the doctrine of the Trinity. It's become apparent that the Trinity Doctrine is a UNIQUE doctrine among the worlds religions and is presently under attack by what I believe to be an Anti-Christ spirit. It seems all religions can unite under the IDEA that God is ONE, with the only exception being Christianity believing that God is 3 persons in one God - the Trinity. just something I have noticed recently - so whatever you do make sure you hold onto your belief of the Trinity - its very important at the present time. Father, Son and Holy Ghost (in the Godhead) are unique to Christianity.

There is much more to say on this topic, but I will leave it there for now. God Bless !

 

[Desires Light]

Do you think we are in the End Times?

If yes, what do you make of the following:

"...in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

+ They're petty.

 

[Dave G.]

I think the above verse is an exact description of what we're facing today. I'm just wondering when it's going to come to fruition. The ungodliness is pandemic in our culture. I feel a sense of pressure every day to live godly. My adult children are in the world and it hurts to see them influenced by it. I pray but don't know what else to do.

I have adult children and grand kids who are older. I've been witnessing to the teen agers as I can. We are called to be a witness and testimony and part of that is by being confident in the Lord ourselves and then we can walk among them. The world is a mess, I feel frustration out there when things are bustling and busy. But still I can find havens among them too. And it's not that we are perfect ourselves is it ? I have some worldly interests myself. But the Lord still uses me on divine appointments. angeltrue, if you pray on this I bet the Lord will work with you. Pray and keep your eyes and ears open, divine appointments can be missed because we blew it off as coincidence or that we were inattentive for a certain divine made opportunity to say something to someone..

But we are not to strive, we need not have strife ! We trust in the Lord and He is our strength. Right ? He already knows what will go down. Amen

 

[BABerean2]

Nobody can honestly deny the push for world government that has occurred during the last 100 years.

The following is a meeting of the World Federalist Association where former CBS newsman Walter Cronkite voices his support of world government.
At the end the woman who almost became president of the United States congratulates Cronkite.

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[FenderTL5]

Do you think we are in the End Times?

Yes, we've been in the end times since Pentecost.