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Todd White on HEALING

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I don't need an example of 'one' answered prayer. I have those myself. What I don't have is a testimony saying God answers yes to 100% of my prayers. I find myself in the category that James speaks of.

JAM 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives,...

All I'm saying is if you're hitting 100%, then biblically that appears to mean 'no wrong motives'. And that's something I can't testify to.

That is exactly why I am not of the 'name it and claim it' group. They are saying my will be done, not thy will be done.

But if God, Himself, tells you WHAT to pray. You better believe it will be answered 100% of the time.
 
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I don't need an example of 'one' answered prayer. I have those myself. What I don't have is a testimony saying God answers yes to 100% of my prayers. I find myself in the category that James speaks of.

JAM 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives,...

All I'm saying is if you're hitting 100%, then biblically that appears to mean 'no wrong motives'. And that's something I can't testify to.

1 John 5:
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

How are you going to know it IS His will, if He doesn't tell you first??? That is why I spend a lot of time listening...
 
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1 John 5:
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

How are you going to know it IS His will, if He doesn't tell you first??? That is why I spend a lot of time listening...
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Edit. I had to come back and say you did very well here with me. I seldom change my mind because, like you, I'm older and have spent a lot of time nailing down my theology with scripture and the leading of the Spirit....IMO.
But you have presented a scripture that puts my scriptures in their place. And that just doesn't happen very often. So it's 'hat's off to 'the lady'. :)
 
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Less than a week ago I had my back porch door open and suddenly I heard my next door neighbor's dog, Penny, barking very fast and very high. I knew she was being attacked, but I couldn't hear another animal. Then all went quiet. I called my neighbor immediately, but she didn't answer so I just left a message of what I heard, figuring they were busy with Penny. The next day she called me and they had both (she and her husband) been asleep and didn't hear the attack but they found Penny at the bottom of their deck stairs. She was paralyzed. They took her to the emergency room vet and her back was broken, and she needed an operation and was quoted $5,000. She had no feeling in her back legs or feet. They took her home. I cried all day. I went over that night to see Penny in her condition, and talk with them about what they were going to do. Penny was on the floor in their den on a blanket sitting up with both her back legs sticking straight out. She was in no pain because she had no feeling. They even had to squeeze her bladder on a pad for Penny to releave herself. As yet, they didn't know if her bowels were working or not. All Penny could do was pull herself up three steps from the den to the main floor with her front legs and drag her back hind legs across the floor.

At the little church I have been going to, I've been learning by watching them pray for the sick. They COMMAND the healing. So I put my hand at the base of Penny's back and commanded healing in Jesus' name, and told my friend to keep that up and I went home. The next day she called me and said Penny was walking on all fours! We are keeping up the prayers and thanking God that Penny is being healed.

Here is a video from the program, Sid Roth's It's Supernatural with guest Todd White.


Awesome. Thanks for the thread. Very encouraging. Too bad there are other people who have nothing better to do then throw stones at things they have no understanding about. Amazing how instead of rejoicing over such great news, all they could find in their hearts was cynicism.

For those that say why don't faith healers go to the hospitals and clear them out, reminds me of Jesus. How he did miracles and the Pharisees said what miracle will you do to prove you have the right to clear out the temple. The cynic is never happy, and is always looking for extra miracles. Their reasoning does not change that miracles happen, but they refuse to allow faith to come into their heart. So they have to bit back at those who are walking in the faith of healing.

If all these faith healers are such fakes, as the cynic believes why don't they go to every faith healer crusade and investigate every one who was healed. I tel you why, because healing is real and they would just waste their money and worst of all, then they would have to find something new to be cynical, critical and bitter over.
 
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Satan can perform miracles to create a false revival among Christians....

Do you honestly, and I mean honestly, believe that Satan would heal and create a revival to love and trust Jesus? Or do you think he is more likely to create Pharisaical cynicism in the hearts of people to not trust that Jesus heals today.
 
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Awesome. Thanks for the thread. Very encouraging. Too bad there are other people who have nothing better to do then throw stones at things they have no understanding about. Amazing how instead of rejoicing over such great news, all they could find in their hearts was cynicism.

For those that say why don't faith healers go to the hospitals and clear them out, reminds me of Jesus. How he did miracles and the Pharisees said what miracle will you do to prove you have the right to clear out the temple. The cynic is never happy, and is always looking for extra miracles. Their reasoning does not change that miracles happen, but they refuse to allow faith to come into their heart. So they have to bit back at those who are walking in the faith of healing.

If all these faith healers are such fakes, as the cynic believes why don't they go to every faith healer crusade and investigate every one who was healed. I tel you why, because healing is real and they would just waste their money and worst of all, then they would have to find something new to be cynical, critical and bitter over.

It’s really very unfortunate that you have characterized all those seeking Biblical discernment as nothing more than faithless, bitter and “cynical.”

I for one never once said miracles never happen or that I don’t believe God can and does still perform miracles and grant healings. So, please don’t make the mistake of dismissing legitimate concerns regarding people like Todd White, as a complete dismissal of the miraculous and the power of God to heal.

Remember that we are repeatedly warned in Scriptures to be discerning and to beware of false prophets, wolves in sheep’s clothing, and lying signs and wonders.

It is also, interesting that you brought up the Pharisees demanding a miracle from Jesus as further proof from Him of His authority. It was Jesus Himself Who condemned this “seeking after signs.” (Which is precisely what so many in the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches do today.) Seeking and chasing after signs to “prove” the power and authority of God is exactly what the Pharisees were doing, and Jesus condemned this attitude.

Yet, you will hear the label “Pharisee” constantly thrown at anyone who searches the Scriptures and seeks discernment in these matters. Odd.

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. - Matthew 16:1-4

Consider these verses also:

23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man. -
John 2:23-25
 
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It’s really very unfortunate that you have characterized all those seeking Biblical discernment as nothing more than faithless, bitter and “cynical.”

I for one never once said miracles never happen or that I don’t believe God can and does still perform miracles and grant healings. So, please don’t make the mistake of dismissing legitimate concerns regarding people like Todd White, as a complete dismissal of the miraculous and the power of God to heal.

Remember that we are repeatedly warned in Scriptures to be discerning and to beware of false prophets, wolves in sheep’s clothing, and lying signs and wonders.

It is also, interesting that you brought up the Pharisees demanding a miracle from Jesus as further proof from Him of His authority. It was Jesus Himself Who condemned this “seeking after signs.” (Which is precisely what so many in the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches do today.) Seeking and chasing after signs to “prove” the power and authority of God is exactly what the Pharisees were doing, and Jesus condemned this attitude.

Yet, you will hear the label “Pharisee” constantly thrown at anyone who searches the Scriptures and seeks discernment in these matters. Odd.

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. - Matthew 16:1-4

Consider these verses also:

23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man. -
John 2:23-25

Are you saying that none of the healings that Todd White is claiming actually happened?

You also warned us about Sid Roth's, It's Supernatural. Are none of his guests actually seeing miracles, or supernatural experiences?
 
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Are you saying that none of the healings that Todd White is claiming actually happened?

Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. They certainly aren’t verified medically.

Honestly, his “signs and wonders” aren’t the only thing that concern me. As I said, I hope you do some careful research.

You also warned us about Sid Roth's, It's Supernatural. Are none of his guests actually seeing miracles, or supernatural experiences?

Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t. The Bible is clear, not everything that is “supernatural” is of God.

As I said, they claim to be able to sell their “anointing”, “gifts”, “miracles” etc. Scripture is very clear about that as well.

We must remember that Satan “masquerades as an angel of light and his servants as servants of righteousness.” Lying signs and wonders are absolutely warned about in Scripture.
 
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Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. They certainly aren’t verified medically.

Honestly, his “signs and wonders” aren’t the only thing that concern me. As I said, I hope you do some careful research.



Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t. The Bible is clear, not everything that is “supernatural” is of God.

As I said, they claim to be able to sell their “anointing”, “gifts”, “miracles” etc. Scripture is very clear about that as well.

We must remember that Satan “masquerades as an angel of light and his servants as servants of righteousness.” Lying signs and wonders are absolutely warned about in Scripture.

Don't you know you must ask WHO gets the glory? Does God get any glory from your warnings? No. Does Satan? Yes. You are spreading nothing but unbelief, and that is your choice, but keep it to yourself. It is a virus, and your "maybe it is, maybe it isn't" is a false witness, called fake news.
 
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Don't you know you must ask WHO gets the glory? Does God get any glory from your warnings? No. Does Satan? Yes. You are spreading nothing but unbelief, and that is your choice, but keep it to yourself. It is a virus, and your "maybe it is, maybe it isn't" is a false witness, called fake news

Actually, God does not “get the glory” from things done in His name that decieve people and cause them to chase after “signs and wonders”, “miracles”, “mantles” “anointings” “impartations and other ecstatic experiences (that are then sold for a price to others). Scripture condemns this.

You seem to be entirely unwilling to acknowledge the MANY warnings in Scripture regarding “lying signs and wonders”, false prophets and great end-times deception. But that is YOUR choice. You have the ability, and actually, the responsibility to “test all things” just as all Christians must. I strongly encourage you to do so before you recommend a particular teacher, healer, minister, prophet etc. to anyone. This is a lesson I myself have had to learn, and believe me, it is not easy and it is very humbling.

So, I will respectfully refuse your order to “keep it to myself” as there are many things going on in the Church today that are very dangerous and deceptive and they should not be believed. I have family and friends caught up in these things and it grieves me deeply.

And just another word of caution, you need to do your research before accusing someone of spreading “false witness” or “fake news”. Go back to my first post on this thread, I gave you direct proof of what I’ve said from Todd White’s own YouTube channel. That is hardly “fake news”.

As for a “virus”, that is definitely what these so called modern day “prophets” and “apostles” have introduced into the Church.

The more Christians who refuse to speak up about this, the worse it will get, until we have this:

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10
 
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Actually, God does not “get the glory” from things done in His name that decieve people and cause them to chase after “signs and wonders”, “miracles”, “mantles” “anointings” “impartations and other ecstatic experiences (that are then sold for a price to others). Scripture condemns this.

You seem to be entirely unwilling to acknowledge the MANY warnings in Scripture regarding “lying signs and wonders”, false prophets and great end-times deception. But that is YOUR choice. You have the ability, and actually, the responsibility to “test all things” just as all Christians must. I strongly encourage you to do so before you recommend a particular teacher, healer, minister, prophet etc. to anyone. This is a lesson I myself have had to learn, and believe me, it is not easy and it is very humbling.

So, I will respectfully refuse your order to “keep it to myself” as there are many things going on in the Church today that are very dangerous and deceptive and they should not be believed. I have family and friends caught up in these things and it grieves me deeply.

And just another word of caution, you need to do your research before accusing someone of spreading “false witness” or “fake news”. Go back to my first post on this thread, I gave you direct proof of what I’ve said from Todd White’s own YouTube channel. That is hardly “fake news”.

As for a “virus”, that is definitely what these so called modern day “prophets” and “apostles” have introduced into the Church.

The more Christians who refuse to speak up about this, the worse it will get, until we have this:

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10

What about Penny. Am I a liar too? Do I need to give you documented proof for your heart to open? Don't you know that the apostles spread the gospel by their testimonies? Those being saved, BELIEVED. Those who doubted will never receive anything from God but damnation. This is why Jesus said we must have the uncynical faith of children. Throw away your doubts and start witnessing the glory of God in these last days.

Ask yourself, does Sid Roth's guests BUILD faith, or TRAMPLE DOWN faith. Now look at your posts here. Do they build faith, or trample down faith?
 
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What about Penny. Am I a liar too?

I didn’t call you a “liar”, now did I? Please refrain from suggesting I think so.

Do I need to give you documented proof for your heart to open?

I don’t know you and I have no idea what happened or didn’t happen. To be honest, I am very concerned with who it seems you are putting your trust in. (Todd White). I have researched him, carefully, and that is why I cannot agree with what he’s doing.

Don't you know that the apostles spread the gospel by their testimonies?

The apostles spread the Gospel by sharing the Gospel. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Those being saved, BELIEVED.

Yes, they believed the Gospel. It is belief in the Gospel that saves, not signs and wonders. Although signs and wonders may follow those who believe, they are not the most important thing and are not themselves what saves people.

Those who doubted will never receive anything from God but damnation.

Those who do not believe the Gospel, not those who “test all things.” Scripture exhorts us not to believe every spirit, but to test the spirits. I truly hope you’re not claiming that God damns those who do precisely what His word commands.

This is why Jesus said we must have the uncynical faith of children. Throw away your doubts and start witnessing the glory of God in these last days.

Again, you truly seem to believe there is no such thing as “lying signs and wonders” and therefore no need to “test the spirits.” That is unfortunate and Scripture plainly says otherwise.

Ask yourself, does Sid Roth's guests BUILD faith, or TRAMPLE DOWN faith.

Sid Roth and his guests may “build faith” in the supernatural, but they definitely claim many unBiblical and deceptive things, and they blatantly “make merchandise of people” and claim they can sell the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Do you honestly think that this behaviour, which Scripture condemns, is honouring to God?

Now look at your posts here. Do they build faith, or trample down faith?

We cannot and must not blindly put our faith in everything that calls itself Christian, with no Biblical discernment. I hope my posts here encourage people to be careful and cautious and do their research, going to Scripture with everything they see, hear or experience. You can dismiss and condemn me for that all you like, but we need these warnings now more than ever, and I stand firmly on the word of God in that regard.
 
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It’s really very unfortunate that you have characterized all those seeking Biblical discernment as nothing more than faithless, bitter and “cynical.”

I for one never once said miracles never happen or that I don’t believe God can and does still perform miracles and grant healings. So, please don’t make the mistake of dismissing legitimate concerns regarding people like Todd White, as a complete dismissal of the miraculous and the power of God to heal.

Remember that we are repeatedly warned in Scriptures to be discerning and to beware of false prophets, wolves in sheep’s clothing, and lying signs and wonders.

It is also, interesting that you brought up the Pharisees demanding a miracle from Jesus as further proof from Him of His authority. It was Jesus Himself Who condemned this “seeking after signs.” (Which is precisely what so many in the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches do today.) Seeking and chasing after signs to “prove” the power and authority of God is exactly what the Pharisees were doing, and Jesus condemned this attitude.

Yet, you will hear the label “Pharisee” constantly thrown at anyone who searches the Scriptures and seeks discernment in these matters. Odd.

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. - Matthew 16:1-4

Consider these verses also:

23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man. -
John 2:23-25


oh please. Just religious justification for being cynical. How can you tell a false prophet, easy. They deny the cross of Jesus and they deny that salvation is by grace alone. Outside of that, it is being cynical.

Its amazing how faith healers or tv evangelist get picked on so badly, but not the legalist that is sending people to hell by teaching you have to earn your salvation.

I could easily see Abraham, King David, and so many others, if they was alive today would use modern technology to promote the gospel. But how would many religious people treat them. Just as cynical as they do the faith healers and evangelist.

Lets see, with Abraham, did you hear about the Evangelist Abraham, yeah, he claims to be a preacher of righteousness and I heard this rumor that he gave is wife to two guys to have sex with her (the two times he lied about her being her sister and risked the kings taking her. It does not matter that the kings did not touch her, because no one would believe it.). Then on top of that scandal, this sexually immoral Abraham went off and slept with his house maid to have a child. What a warped evangelist. Instead of using in vitro insemination, he said he believes it should be done the natural way.

Have you heard about the evangelist David, yeah like that false teacher is of God. Have you heard, he sent out his ministry team to do evangelism and while they was gone he committed adultery with one of his ministry team's wife. Not only that, but he got her pregnant, and hired a hit man and had the husband secretly killed so no one would find out about it.

Then there is the evangelist Sampson, that is if you could even give him that title. Every where he goes he just does what ever he feels like in the flesh. That guy is as carnal as they come, and he claims to have the power of God working in him. Well if he is so super naturally strong then why doesn't he help out in the spring time in the states that are trying to hold back the flood waters. I mean with that kind of super strength he should be able to dig trenches with his hand alone.

Have you heard about the Prophet Moses, yeah right. Like I am going to believe a murder is a prophet. Besides what is the deal where he will never talk, what's he hiding. Why does he have is brother always talk. Something is really fishy about that.

Then there is the racist Peter. Can a racist even be a christian. Have you heard, he use to hang out with this one social group, but when some of his own race came for a visit he totally acted like he never knew the people he use to hang out with.

Through out the Bible, except for Jesus, every man or woman of God had some issue and yet God still worked mightly through them. But if today's cynic and so called false prophet / teacher hunters was around their time, they would be writing all kinds of bad things about them.
 
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What about Penny. Am I a liar too? Do I need to give you documented proof for your heart to open? Don't you know that the apostles spread the gospel by their testimonies? Those being saved, BELIEVED. Those who doubted will never receive anything from God but damnation. This is why Jesus said we must have the uncynical faith of children. Throw away your doubts and start witnessing the glory of God in these last days.

Ask yourself, does Sid Roth's guests BUILD faith, or TRAMPLE DOWN faith. Now look at your posts here. Do they build faith, or trample down faith?
Can you show one healing of an animal in the Bible? Why do you think healing animals is God ordained?
 
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oh please. Just religious justification for being cynical.

Seeking Biblical discernment is not “religious justification for being cynical.” Actually, the gift of discernment is a Spiritual gift, but it certainly isn’t one that seems to be much sought after these days.

Perhaps you think the Bereans were being “cynical” as well for “searching the Scriptures daily” in regard to what Paul and Silas were teaching them. Yet Scripture commends them for doing so.

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. - Acts 17:10-12


How can you tell a false prophet, easy. They deny the cross of Jesus and they deny that salvation is by grace alone. Outside of that, it is being cynical.

According to Scripture, anyone who claims to speak for the Lord when He has not spoken and whose words do not come to pass is a false prophet. The standard for Biblical prophecy is 100% accuracy. And just as there were false prophets in the Old Testament times, we are warned many times in Scripture that there will be false prophets in among us, increasingly as the end draws closer.

See Matthew 7 and Matthew 24 for Jesus’ warnings about increasing deception and false prophets.

Also:

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. - Acts 20:29-31


I suppose Paul was just being “cynical” as well?

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
- 2 Peter 2:1-3

Its amazing how faith healers or tv evangelist get picked on so badly,

I am not “picking on” anyone. It’s called Biblical discernment.

but not the legalist that is sending people to hell by teaching you have to earn your salvation.

Anyone who teaches that salvation must be earned is indeed telling a diabolical lylie. That is a different topic but one which is absolutely reprehensible. Salvation is by grace, through faith and not of works.

I could easily see Abraham, King David, and so many others, if they was alive today would use modern technology to promote the gospel. But how would many religious people treat them. Just as cynical as they do the faith healers and evangelist.

This has nothing to do with whether or not someone uses modern technology to promote the Gospel. I am in full agreement with that and I strive to do so myself.

Lets see, with Abraham, did you hear about the Evangelist Abraham, yeah, he claims to be a preacher of righteousness and I heard this rumor that he gave is wife to two guys to have sex with her (the two times he lied about her being her sister and risked the kings taking her. It does not matter that the kings did not touch her, because no one would believe it.). Then on top of that scandal, this sexually immoral Abraham went off and slept with his house maid to have a child. What a warped evangelist. Instead of using in vitro insemination, he said he believes it should be done the natural way.

I honestly have no idea what you’re getting at. I never claimed anyone had to be perfect in their flesh and neither am I.

Have you heard about the evangelist David, yeah like that false teacher is of God. Have you heard, he sent out his ministry team to do evangelism and while they was gone he committed adultery with one of his ministry team's wife. Not only that, but he got her pregnant, and hired a hit man and had the husband secretly killed so no one would find out about it.

That actually isn’t the story at all, but no matter, as once again you have this strange idea that I require people to be absolutely perfect to serve God and I don’t. Whether or not a person is perfect in the flesh, however, (and no one ever has been except Jesus), does not mean we don’t seek Biblical discernment in regard to the many many various teachings, prophecies, signs and wonders we have in the Church today. Discernment is so important.

Then there is the evangelist Sampson, that is if you could even give him that title. Every where he goes he just does what ever he feels like in the flesh. That guy is as carnal as they come, and he claims to have the power of God working in him. Well if he is so super naturally strong then why doesn't he help out in the spring time in the states that are trying to hold back the flood waters. I mean with that kind of super strength he should be able to dig trenches with his hand alone.

I’m not going to go over how you’re missing the importance of searching the Scriptures for discernment, yet again. That has absolutely nothing to do with how none of us is perfect in the flesh. It is a very serious thing when someone says “thus saith the Lord” and the Lord has not spoken.

Have you heard about the Prophet Moses, yeah right. Like I am going to believe a murder is a prophet. Besides what is the deal where he will never talk, what's he hiding. Why does he have is brother always talk. Something is really fishy about that.

Again, you’re making an entire argument against a position you assume I hold (that people must be perfect for God to use them) when I have said no such thing. The imperfection of man, however, does not cancel out the need to seek Biblical discernment and is not an excuse to accept error.

Then there is the racist Peter. Can a racist even be a christian. Have you heard, he use to hang out with this one social group, but when some of his own race came for a visit he totally acted like he never knew the people he use to hang out with.

And Paul reproved him to his face, because he was wrong. You still are not making a case for equating Biblical discernment with cynicism.

Through out the Bible, except for Jesus, every man or woman of God had some issue and yet God still worked mightly through them.

Agreed.

But if today's cynic and so called false prophet / teacher hunters was around their time, they would be writing all kinds of bad things about them.

And this is where you’re incorrect. The Bible is clear that God uses weak, broken and imperfect people. The Bible is also clear regarding false prophets and apostles, lying signs and wonders, and increasing deception. Both subjects are true, relevant and very important.
 
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Can you show one healing of an animal in the Bible? Why do you think healing animals is God ordained?

Frankly, this response from you does not surprise me in the least.
 
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Some of the responses on this thread are heartbreaking to me. What is most disturbing are those heartless responses about Penny who cannot even relate to Jesus as the Good Shepherd. They have me in tears, especially from so called Christians who should know love and compassion.

Satan is the "Accuser of the Brethren." Look how many on here are following their master by the false accusations against men of God.

Don't be ignorant of God honoring men of God with "signs following" their ministries. But be wary of the Pharisees that degrade them.
 
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Seeking Biblical discernment is not “religious justification for being cynical.” Actually, the gift of discernment is a Spiritual gift, but it certainly isn’t one that seems to be much sought after these days.

Perhaps you think the Bereans were being “cynical” as well for “searching the Scriptures daily” in regard to what Paul and Silas were teaching them. Yet Scripture commends them for doing so.

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. - Acts 17:10-12




According to Scripture, anyone who claims to speak for the Lord when He has not spoken and whose words do not come to pass is a false prophet. The standard for Biblical prophecy is 100% accuracy. And just as there were false prophets in the Old Testament times, we are warned many times in Scripture that there will be false prophets in among us, increasingly as the end draws closer.

See Matthew 7 and Matthew 24 for Jesus’ warnings about increasing deception and false prophets.

Also:

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. - Acts 20:29-31


I suppose Paul was just being “cynical” as well?

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
- 2 Peter 2:1-3



I am not “picking on” anyone. It’s called Biblical discernment.



Anyone who teaches that salvation must be earned is indeed telling a diabolical lylie. That is a different topic but one which is absolutely reprehensible. Salvation is by grace, through faith and not of works.



This has nothing to do with whether or not someone uses modern technology to promote the Gospel. I am in full agreement with that and I strive to do so myself.



I honestly have no idea what you’re getting at. I never claimed anyone had to be perfect in their flesh and neither am I.



That actually isn’t the story at all, but no matter, as once again you have this strange idea that I require people to be absolutely perfect to serve God and I don’t. Whether or not a person is perfect in the flesh, however, (and no one ever has been except Jesus), does not mean we don’t seek Biblical discernment in regard to the many many various teachings, prophecies, signs and wonders we have in the Church today. Discernment is so important.



I’m not going to go over how you’re missing the importance of searching the Scriptures for discernment, yet again. That has absolutely nothing to do with how none of us is perfect in the flesh. It is a very serious thing when someone says “thus saith the Lord” and the Lord has not spoken.



Again, you’re making an entire argument against a position you assume I hold (that people must be perfect for God to use them) when I have said no such thing. The imperfection of man, however, does not cancel out the need to seek Biblical discernment and is not an excuse to accept error.



And Paul reproved him to his face, because he was wrong. You still are not making a case for equating Biblical discernment with cynicism.



Agreed.



And this is where you’re incorrect. The Bible is clear that God uses weak, broken and imperfect people. The Bible is also clear regarding false prophets and apostles, lying signs and wonders, and increasing deception. Both subjects are true, relevant and very important.

I must say, my mouth flew open at some of what you say. You will be held accountable for every false accusation against God's anointed.
 
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Some of the responses on this thread are heartbreaking to me. What is most disturbing are those heartless responses about Penny who cannot even relate to Jesus as the Good Shepherd. They have me in tears, especially from so called Christians who should know love and compassion.

Satan is the "Accuser of the Brethren." Look how many on here are following their master by the false accusations against men of God.

Don't be ignorant of God honoring men of God with "signs following" their ministries. But be wary of the Pharisees that degrade them.

I understand your heartbreak over Penny.

What I find heartbreaking is the absolute lack of discernment in the Church today, and the accusations and dismissals of anyone who would lovingly and Biblically seek to warn brothers and sisters in Christ. (Using labels like “cynic”, “Pharisee”, “unbelieving”, “accuser of the brethren” etc.) Such labels are beyond hurtful and they are false. Warning about deception does not make one any of those things.

As I mentioned before, I have family and friends caught up in this, who believe that the Holy Spirit of God causes people to act shamefully, losing control of their bodies, twitching, jerking, barking like a dog, hissing like a shake, laughing uncontrollably and disrupting others (even when Scripture is read). People I love and care about who believe you can get “drunk” on the Holy Spirit as though He is a substance you become intoxicated with or high on. Family and friends who accept the most unBiblical things, just because it’s mysterious or unexplainable. Who follow false teachers who claim to be able to sell the gifts of the Holy Spirit for a price.

And I have watched, read and listened to hours of the things these “prophets” and “apostles” are teaching and doing, and it is utterly and overwhelming devoid of the true Gospel.

One of the most disturbing things I watched was a program (that family members of mine were trusting in) where people went out in public and claimed to be led by the Holy Spirit to lay hands on people and pray for them. They came to one lady and she asked that the Holy Spirit straighten her bra strap. So, that’s what the people prayed for. There was no Gospel message shared, none. And I’ve seen this over and over again with these supposed prophets, apostles and healers. It is beyond devastating to me that in this urgent hour, this is what so much of the Church is valuing and trusting in. Now, when we are exhorted to be alert and sober minded, people are getting “drunk” on the Holy Spirit!

I have shed so many tears for the deception that has come upon the Church today and for all those who, without discernment, are being taught to chase after signs and wonders and estatic, emotional experiences and to condemn and dismiss anyone who tries to warn them.

It truly breaks my heart to know people I love are falling into this and I know I must keep them always in my prayers.

Anyway. It’s up to you to look into Todd White, Sid Roth and others, and I really hope you do.

God bless
 
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