Todd White on HEALING

[DennisTate]

I might agree, if "ALL God's children" could use 'God's power' to do even one other thing, on the rest of that list.

MAR 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover."

That section of the new testament was never a problem for the "ungifted/unlearned" nominal church until the gift of tongues began to be restored a 100 years ago.

As I've shared before, "ungifted" translators did an injustice by 'adding' their punctuations in this passage. "In the name of Jesus" means with the 'character and authority' of Jesus. It does not mean just because you're a Christian and can say the name 'Jesus'. Examine your own testimony, based upon the same line of thinking that I'm presenting. In the context of the verses you shared above, do you say; "In the name of Jesus" before you speak in tongues 1CL? I never have. Can you think of any time when Jesus ever said 'In my Father's name or in my name (????)' 'come out' or 'be healed' etc. etc., before He manifested the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit? IMO this passage is simply misunderstood by the Charismatics almost as bad as the Fundamentals IMO.

So, I'd exercise caution in claiming for the 'whole body' that which may only apply to those who've received the 'multiple baptisms' required to even reach the level of maturity needed to walk at that spiritual level. The last one being the baptism from the Holy Spirit. Most here have proven multiple times 'they don't believe' IMO. That's why it's always the 'haves' against the 'have nots' here.... for the most part anyway. I do know Christians who do not think more highly of themselves than they ought, concerning what they 'see and believe in' but never 'believe and walk in'. But they are in the 'humble few' and I respect their honest evaluation.

Each and every human heart, mind and body is meant to be a temple for the Holy Spirit....... I personally believe that the Jewish people will build a literal Jerusalem Third Temple and many Christians object by saying that the church is the temple.......... and I do agree with that...... but the least Christian has a calling on our lives that is up there with John the Baptist and even greater........
if we will just realize how much Messiah Yeshua - Jesus really loves us and wishes to speak through us..... and heal through us.... both by the laying on of hands as well as by words of wisdom and encouragement.

 

[DennisTate]

No. I am sorry.

Of course, many professing Christians have misapplied Scriptures in support of what they deem gifts, and many charlitans feigning they can perform them abound, but I have never implied their existence today. What exists are false prophets proclaiming they have such gifts, but not miraculous gifts.

Matthew 24:23-24

• "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
• For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

That the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement is very "deceiving" I do not deny, but that is not the same as actual miracles. That there are now, and will be later many false prophets and false Christians claiming to do "signs" and wondrous things which were seen in Scripture I never deny. But the ignorance of many in their lack of understanding "why" the miracles and signs were actually done is what causes Christian uncertainty, discomfiture, and difficulty. The signs and miracles were "specifically" done first as evidence demonstrating the power of Christ as the fulfillment of the prophesied Messiah, and second as a picture or portrait revealing the power of the gospel to come. What I deny is that anyone has seen or done or can do the supernatural miracles that you see/read recorded in scripture as a sign. A "sign" is a token, something that is done as a signification, token or symbol. Christ and the Apostles did signs as this indicator that the prophesied Kingdom of God had come--not as a supernatural archetype that the church would continue today, get it?

Matthew 11:3-5

• "And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
• Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
• The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."

The proof that Christ was this prophesied Messiah was that He did these signs, supernatural wonders, and miracles which were prophesied in Scripture to herald in the Messiah. The miracles He did were obvious signs confirming Scripture prophecy and "pointing" to the healing of the "sin-sick" soul. The true act of love (agape) or charity.

Hebrews 2:3-4

• "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
• God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

The signs were a confirmation that this was the prophesied Messiah that would bring salvation to Israel, and each miracle a portrait of some aspect of that salvation--whether raising from the dead or calming the sea, that was its purpose. Once the Bible was completed, the signs were completed as far as such supernatural activity goes. Today, what those signs represented or signified remains with us, not the supernatural signs pointing to it. Just as the miracle of Moses parting the red sea, it was a "sign" of the people of God crossing over to the promised land, not an indicator that God's servants after him would continue the practice of the miracle of parting the sea today. We still cross over to the promised land, but not through the "sign" of the red sea.

You are correct that the miracles surrounding Messiah Yeshua - Jesus were signs to the Jewish people that he was the Messiah but................
what he did was also an example for us..........
Unconverted disciples who had not yet received the Holy Spirit because it was several years before Pentecost of Acts 2.... they were sent out to the towns that Messiah Yeshua was going to go to........
and they were amazed how demons were kicked out and people healed at their prayers...........

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus set an example for us......
the miracles he did were more than merely a sign... they were an example for us to follow........

but we need to know how much Messiah Yeshua - Jesus really loves us... .and wants to speak through us......
Jhn 13:15

For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I might agree, if "ALL God's children" could use 'God's power' to do even one other thing, on the rest of that list.

MAR 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover."

That section of the new testament was never a problem for the "ungifted/unlearned" nominal church until the gift of tongues began to be restored a 100 years ago.

As I've shared before, "ungifted" translators did an injustice by 'adding' their punctuations in this passage. "In the name of Jesus" means with the 'character and authority' of Jesus. It does not mean just because you're a Christian and can say the name 'Jesus'. Examine your own testimony, based upon the same line of thinking that I'm presenting. In the context of the verses you shared above, do you say; "In the name of Jesus" before you speak in tongues 1CL? I never have. Can you think of any time when Jesus ever said 'In my Father's name or in my name (????)' 'come out' or 'be healed' etc. etc., before He manifested the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit? IMO this passage is simply misunderstood by the Charismatics almost as bad as the Fundamentals IMO.

So, I'd exercise caution in claiming for the 'whole body' that which may only apply to those who've received the 'multiple baptisms' required to even reach the level of maturity needed to walk at that spiritual level. The last one being the baptism from the Holy Spirit. Most here have proven multiple times 'they don't believe' IMO. That's why it's always the 'haves' against the 'have nots' here.... for the most part anyway. I do know Christians who do not think more highly of themselves than they ought, concerning what they 'see and believe in' but never 'believe and walk in'. But they are in the 'humble few' and I respect their honest evaluation.

We have the authority, but not everyone knows that, let alone practices that authority.

 

[Hillsage]

Each and every human heart, mind and body is meant to be a temple for the Holy Spirit.......

I'd like to show you a quote from my Zondervan Greek English Interlinear book on page iii in the INTRODUCTION. Following is a direct quote concerning CAPITALS when translating Greek to English;

"5. Capitals.--The only remark needed here is in reference to the names of God, of Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. The greatest difficulty is touching the word 'Spirit. In some places it is very difficult to say whether the Holy Spirit as a person or the spirit of the Christian is referred to (see Rom. viiiv, 9); ....In the English we have been obliged to put a capital S when the Holy Spirit was referred to and so have retained it wherever we thought this was the case; but in some places it is really doubtful, and becomes a question for the spiritual judgment of the reader. The Greek will not help in the difficulty, because in the earliest copies every letter was a capital."

The bolded above is my doing. I think it to be pretty profound statement for these translation scholars to make. I have another source which states that 52 times in the NT spirit and holy spirit was capitalized when it never should have been. Because it was not referring to the Holy Spirit of God, but the holy spirit of man. This is my present viewpoint which makes me at odds with most obviously. But in scripture I believe I easily prove that the only body (singular) which 'the Holy Spirit dwells in, is the 'many membered' body of Christ.

EPH 2:19 So then you (Pl in Greek) are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household (Sg) of God, 20 built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple (Sg) in the Lord; 22 in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place (Sg) of God in the Spirit.

1PE 2:4 Come to him, to that living stone, rejected by men but in God's sight chosen and precious; 5 and like living stones be yourselves (Pl) built into a spiritual house (Sg),

An understanding that 'your spirit' becomes the holy spirit of Christ in you at re-birth eliminates all the bickering and ignorance of everyone having 'the Holy Spirit'. Therefore receiving anything 'more' becomes the never ending debate of the 'haves' and 'have nots'. A debate which is really weak when several times those who were 'saved' never received the Holy Spirit such as those at Samaria who were evangelized and water baptized by Phillip.

I personally believe that the Jewish people will build a literal Jerusalem Third Temple and many Christians object by saying that the church is the temple.......... and I do agree with that...... but the least Christian has a calling on our lives that is up there with John the Baptist and even greater........

I've changed my mind enough to know...I just don't know....for sure, concerning whether they'll rebuild or not. But if they do or don't is irrelevant to anything regarding my walk in Christ IMO. And certainly doesn't seem worth arguing about, so I'll let time be the final reality.

if we will just realize how much Messiah Yeshua - Jesus really loves us and wishes to speak through us..... and heal through us.... both by the laying on of hands as well as by words of wisdom and encouragement.

We all certainly wait for the day that "then shall I know even as also I am known."


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[section9+1]

There is something fishy about God healing a dog spontaneously through prayer. It seems like a dirty trick to play. All these fake faith healers instead of traveling all over with their private carnivals should all go to St. Jude's Children's Hospital and camp out in the lobby until that place is empty. And healing a dog when parents are on their knees begging for their children that will surely die is a terrible travesty of God's love.

 

[Hillsage]

We have the authority, but not everyone knows that, let alone practices that authority.

I disagree. When Jesus said "behold I give you all authority" I think He was telling us where we were going to have to go in order to receive the authority that He gives. That's how it worked in the life of the 'pattern son'. He never DID anything He didn't first 'hear or see' the Father doing. We have Christians all over creation naming and claiming lots of things, but never receiving. And, of course, 'you just didn't have enough faith' always gets the blame for not receiving. But I'm of the persuasion that He is God and He is not going to answer to us declaring our will be done when it isn't His will....OR even His timing. I do believe that we have ALL authority over our own vessel to become sinless and perfect though. But even 'that thought' doesn't fly very far in the church today.

You never answered my question; Do you say "In the name of Jesus" and then speak in tongues as the grammar indicates one must do in Mark?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I disagree. When Jesus said "behold I give you all authority" I think He was telling us where we were going to have to go in order to receive the authority that He gives. That's how it worked in the life of the 'pattern son'. He never DID anything He didn't first 'hear or see' the Father doing. We have Christians all over creation naming and claiming lots of things, but never receiving. And, of course, 'you just didn't have enough faith' always gets the blame for not receiving. But I'm of the persuasion that He is God and He is not going to answer to us declaring our will be done when it isn't His will....OR even His timing. I do believe that we have ALL authority over our own vessel to become sinless and perfect though. But even 'that thought' doesn't fly very far in the church today.

You never answered my question; Do you say "In the name of Jesus" and then speak in tongues as the grammar indicates one must do in Mark?

Whenever I pray in tongues I do it by the authority of Jesus, for I know I am praying God's perfect will.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I disagree. When Jesus said "behold I give you all authority" I think He was telling us where we were going to have to go in order to receive the authority that He gives. That's how it worked in the life of the 'pattern son'. He never DID anything He didn't first 'hear or see' the Father doing. We have Christians all over creation naming and claiming lots of things, but never receiving. And, of course, 'you just didn't have enough faith' always gets the blame for not receiving. But I'm of the persuasion that He is God and He is not going to answer to us declaring our will be done when it isn't His will....OR even His timing. I do believe that we have ALL authority over our own vessel to become sinless and perfect though. But even 'that thought' doesn't fly very far in the church today.

You never answered my question; Do you say "In the name of Jesus" and then speak in tongues as the grammar indicates one must do in Mark?

I'm not a name it and claim it kind of Charismatic. God ALWAYS tells me what to pray BEFORE I pray. I don't pray for things for myself without that permission. And I receive 100% answered prayers when I wait on my Master.

 

[Hillsage]

Whenever I pray in tongues I do it by the authority of Jesus, for I know I am praying God's perfect will.

Since it is my spirit which I believe scripture says we are to have authority over, I believe I do it by the authority of ME. I do the speaking just like Peter did the getting out of the boat. The miracle isn't in the fact that I initiate talking, the miracle is in what tongue is provided by my spirit IMO.

Proverbs 25:28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

This second confirming verse requires a bit more thinking to 'see' it I believe. Though it is speaking of 'prophets' specifically here, I believe it's just because of the context of the subject.

1CO 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

So what 'authority' do you base your opinion above on?

 

[amariselle]

There is something fishy about God healing a dog spontaneously through prayer. It seems like a dirty trick to play. All these fake faith healers instead of traveling all over with their private carnivals should all go to St. Jude's Children's Hospital and camp out in the lobby until that place is empty. And healing a dog when parents are on their knees begging for their children that will surely die is a terrible travesty of God's love.

I have often thought the same in regard to those who claim they can heal like this. Why aren’t they going into hospitals, into children’s cancer wards? They don’t, and I think that says a lot.

Also, they have so many things terribly wrong theologically. Christians really need to “test all things”. We are certainly living in a time of great confusion and deception.

 

[Hillsage]

I'm not a name it and claim it kind of Charismatic. God ALWAYS tells me what to pray BEFORE I pray. I don't pray for things for myself without that permission.

Do you mean when you pray in tongues or English?

And I receive 100% answered prayers when I wait on my Master.

I've heard you make this same statement many times. I honestly don't know what to do with it since I've never met or heard of anyone else make such a claim. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying that comment is on 'the shelf' for me.

 

[Hillsage]

There is something fishy about God healing a dog spontaneously through prayer. It seems like a dirty trick to play. All these fake faith healers instead of traveling all over with their private carnivals should all go to St. Jude's Children's Hospital and camp out in the lobby until that place is empty. And healing a dog when parents are on their knees begging for their children that will surely die is a terrible travesty of God's love.

Yeah there is. There's also something 'fishy' about pulling a coin out of one's mouth to pay your taxes too. But I'll just let you take that miracle up with Jesus.

 

[section9+1]

Very fishy. People pull a lot of things out of fish's mouths, but healing a dog weakens my faith in a just God.

 

[swordsman1]

Here is a video from the program, Sid Roth's It's Supernatural with guest Todd White.

You will notice in that video that none of Todd White's healings are visibly verifiable miracles. He says things like "Shoulder, I command you to be restored" over and over again and then when the adrenaline is flowing he suggests "You feel better, right?". The person caught up in the excitement replies "You know what, I think there is some improvement". "Your healed!", Todd triumphantly declares.
This is nothing but the power of suggestion - just a psychosomatic reaction. There is no verification whatsoever that a miracle has taken place. There are no follow up videos to see if the pain is still gone the next day.

Notice also the only 'healing' he does appear to visibly perform is the charlatans' favorite - the classic leg lengthening parlor trick where the ankles/hips are rotated to make it appear as if the leg is growing. He repeats that trick several times.

And of course he doesn't publish those videos where he fails to heal. No doubt there are countless numbers of those.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Since it is my spirit which I believe scripture says we are to have authority over, I believe I do it by the authority of ME. I do the speaking just like Peter did the getting out of the boat. The miracle isn't in the fact that I initiate talking, the miracle is in what tongue is provided by my spirit IMO.

Proverbs 25:28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

This second confirming verse requires a bit more thinking to 'see' it I believe. Though it is speaking of 'prophets' specifically here, I believe it's just because of the context of the subject.

1CO 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

So what 'authority' do you base your opinion above on?

The authority given every BELIEVER. As I've already told you, but I'll add a verse. Mark 16:16-18

16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

 

[1stcenturylady]

Do you mean when you pray in tongues or English?


I've heard you make this same statement many times. I honestly don't know what to do with it since I've never met or heard of anyone else make such a claim. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying that comment is on 'the shelf' for me.

Do you mean when you pray in tongues or English?

English

I've heard you make this same statement many times. I honestly don't know what to do with it since I've never met or heard of anyone else make such a claim. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying that comment is on 'the shelf' for me.

I'll give you an example.

I remember once when I was traveling alone and was having car trouble. I was going uphill 30 miles outside Oklahoma City, on Interstate 40, and all of a sudden there was a loud grinding sound coming from the underneath of my vehicle. I could feel the vibrations with my feet. God whispered to pray John 15:7. "If you abide in Me and My words abide in you, you may ask what you will and it will be done for you." Ask for a "Ford dealership." So I prayed, Lord I am abiding in You, and Your words do abide in me so I ask for a Ford dealership right now! I crested the hill, there was an off ramp, and a Ford dealership at the bottom of it, out in the middle of nowhere.

 

[section9+1]

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[DennisTate]

Satan can perform miracles to create a false revival among Christians....

Back when I was a member in good standing of the Worldwide Church of God....... I would probably have reacted in the same way......... because we could not give credit to other denominations for having been given spiritual gifts that we lacked.

Pentecostals, Charismatics and many Baptists........ and Christians from all denominations really...... ask for gifts in ways different from what we tended to do..... .and they are given those gifts!

Matthew 21:22

And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."

John 16:24

Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full."

Luk 11:11

If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fishgive him a serpent?

 

[Hillsage]

Very fishy. People pull a lot of things out of fish's mouths, but healing a dog weakens my faith in a just God.

Then you just need to take your problem with God, up with God. As for me, I'll just accept what the bible says about all of creation being loosed from the curse of sin. And for me, that includes Buster the beagle.

ROM 8:21 because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 

[Hillsage]

English


I'll give you an example.

I remember once when I was traveling alone and was having car trouble. I was going uphill 30 miles outside Oklahoma City, on Interstate 40, and all of a sudden there was a loud grinding sound coming from the underneath of my vehicle. I could feel the vibrations with my feet. God whispered to pray John 15:7. "If you abide in Me and My words abide in you, you may ask what you will and it will be done for you." Ask for a "Ford dealership." So I prayed, Lord I am abiding in You, and Your words do abide in me so I ask for a Ford dealership right now! I crested the hill, there was an off ramp, and a Ford dealership at the bottom of it, out in the middle of nowhere.

I don't need an example of 'one' answered prayer. I have those myself. What I don't have is a testimony saying God answers yes to 100% of my prayers. I find myself in the category that James speaks of.

JAM 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives,...

All I'm saying is if you're hitting 100%, then biblically that appears to mean 'no wrong motives'. And that's something I can't testify to.