Does God Love everyone?

[Hammster]

Then why do others look at the text and study if other teachers and come up with different answers? Or is anyone who disagrees with you just wrong?

Being wrong makes them wrong.

 

[RaymondG]

You're making excuses. Is that the ONLY verse you have?

" Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful."

I have more than a few more....but I dont really see the point of this. Just admit you made an error and we can move on.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

He'll is a place of torment. Completely separated from God. God is not there.

The torment is being separated FROM GOD. It stings viciously.
And "hell" is the grave. We all go there.

Why?

Because of sin. If we are forgiven of our sin why do we still suffer the consequences of sin which is death?

Figure that one out.

 

[RaymondG]

The torment is being separated FROM GOD. It stings viciously.
And "hell" is the grave. We all go there.

Why?

Because of sin. If we are forgiven of our sin why do we still suffer the consequences of sin which is death?

Figure that one out.

Because we dont accept the gift of salvation. Those who do,.....do not suffer these consequences....

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

i'd like to thank the OP for helping us whip up a spectacular theology salad!

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

Because we dont accept the gift of salvation. Those who do,.....do not suffer these consequences....

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

I think you have some serious inconsistencies between your understanding and what Scripture says.
There is no such thing as "accepting Jesus into your heart" or that all you have to do is say the "salvation formula" which is supposedly found in Rom. 10.

You see, Judaism was strictly for Hebrews. Are you Hebrew? There was no such thing in Judaism to "accept Messiah into your heart."

Salvation is of the LORD. Men are passive. If your name is NOT in the book of life then you will NEVER be saved. And for thousands of years Judaism was for Hebrews while the rest of the heathen world perished generation after generation. What about these heathen ungodly "souls?" God did not save them. He did not care for them.

You need to bring your understanding into compliance with Scripture.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

As before, you mistakenly think punishment precludes love.


You seem to hold to the same error as Hammster.


Are you sure He's not there?

Revelation 14:10 - "that person will also drink of the wine of God’s anger that has been mixed undiluted in the cup of his wrath, and he will be tortured with fire and sulfur in front of the holy angels and in front of the Lamb."


"I don't know you" equates to God not loving them?? Now you're just grasping at straws.


So which people are not, then, part of "the world"? Otherwise, if God loves "the world", by definition He loves everyone.


Again, your continued error of thinking punishment precludes love.


So the God you believe in FORCES people to love Him back? If we are forced to love God, then it's not love, it's not real. That's like claiming your dog is loyal to you because he never leaves, ignoring the fact that you have him chained up so it's impossible for him to go anywhere. That is not loyalty, that's imprisonment.


No. Christ dying for everyone doesn't require everyone to accept that atonement.


It sure does - "whoever does not believe will be condemned." Not believing is rejecting the gift. Therefore, it must be accepted to be effective.


Yeah, not supported at all by Scripture. (Except for that "God loves the WORLD" part, and that "God *IS* love" part. But yeah, other than that, totally not supported at all. *wink wink* )


So, you believe God commands us to love them while He, Himself, refuses to love His own enemies? That doesn't sound right.


And you were shown verses that demonstrate "hate" in the Bible doesn't mean the same thing we use it to mean today.


I'm still not clear on which people aren't included in the phrase "the world"? Can you give an example of a specific person who is not part of the world?

Acts 17:31 - "because he has set a day on which he is going to judge the world in righteousness." So, you're saying you believe that this passage is telling us God isn't going to judge everyone, just some people, right? Because "the world" doesn't mean everyone, right? Which people aren't going to be judged by God?

Don't put me in the same sentence as hamster. This moderator is NOT RIGHT.

 

[RaymondG]

I think you have some serious inconsistencies between your understanding and what Scripture says.
There is no such thing as "accepting Jesus into your heart" or that all you have to do is say the "salvation formula" which is supposedly found in Rom. 10.

You see, Judaism was strictly for Hebrews. Are you Hebrew? There was no such thing in Judaism to "accept Messiah into your heart."

Salvation is of the LORD. Men are passive. If your name is NOT in the book of life then you will NEVER be saved. And for thousands of years Judaism was for Hebrews while the rest of the heathen world perished generation after generation. What about these heathen ungodly "souls?" God did not save them. He did not care for them.

You need to bring your understanding into compliance with Scripture.

Did you quote the wrong post? Did you see "accepting Jesus into your heart" or "salvation formula" on your screen in my post? Since you put it in quotes, I have to assume you quoted the wrong post...quotes usually indicates the exactly wording of the one you are talking to.... I can see how this relates to anything i said....

 

[Archivist]

Being wrong makes them wrong.

So you are right and anyone who disagrees with you is, to the extent of the disagreement, wrong? Very sad.

I learned a long time ago that there are many areas upon which Christians can and do disagree, infant baptism, meaning if the elements in communion, role of women in the church, etc. I always assumed that all Christians believed that God loves everyone, but you are entitled to you opinion since you apparently do not believe that. If you refuse to acknowledge that people can disagree with your opinion then there is no reason in continuing this conversation.

 

[Hammster]

So you are right and anyone who disagrees with you is, to the extent of the disagreement, wrong? Very sad.

I learned a long time ago that there are many areas upon which Christians can and do disagree, infant baptism, meaning if the elements in communion, role of women in the church, etc. I always assumed that all Christians believed that God loves everyone, but you are entitled to you opinion since you apparently do not believe that. If you refuse to acknowledge that people can disagree with your opinion then there is no reason in continuing this conversation.

I never said we couldn’t disagree. At best I would say that while we can both be wrong, we can’t both be right.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

Did you quote the wrong post? Did you see "accepting Jesus into your heart" or "salvation formula" on your screen in my post? Since you put it in quotes, I have to assume you quoted the wrong post...quotes usually indicates the exactly wording of the one you are talking to.... I can see how this relates to anything i said....

It's the same error.
God chooses. We don't choose Him.

Men HATE Christ. From womb to tomb they hate Christ.

I'm only going to give you the Authority of Christ ONCE so pay attention and get change back.

John 3:18-20 (KJV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved.

Jesus Christ Himself is quoted as saying the above.

Now what? Ignore the Master's word?

 

[RaymondG]

I never said we couldn’t disagree. At best I would say that while we can both be wrong, we can’t both be right.

Actually you can both be right. Maybe God showed you the north side of the tree....and someone else the south. When you both paint your picture of the one tree, they will look very different. In your picture the one branch is on the left......but on theirs it is on the right.....they also may have a few ridges that isnt in your line of sight....etc...

It would be easy to argue till death that "my tree" is the one and only true tree. Much harder to accept both picture......which could lead to the whole truth....

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

Since Hell exists, the answer is obviously No.

What?

 

[Hammster]

What?

What what?

 

[HypnoToad]

Don't put me in the same sentence as hamster. This moderator is NOT RIGHT.

Well it's not my fault you made the same error he did - arguing that someone's condemnation to hell equates to God not loving them.

 

[Invalidusername]

I asked you a question in post 181. I’m still waiting for an answer. Jesus said that to be his disciple you have to gate your parents, siblings and children. Do you, or did Jesus mean something different?

He meant that Jesus/God should be #1 in your life.

 

[Invalidusername]

" Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful."

I have more than a few more....but I dont really see the point of this. Just admit you made an error and we can move on.

You said you were open to quoting a few more so I thought you were actually open. I guess it was my error to take your words at face value.

 

[Invalidusername]

" Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful."

I have more than a few more....but I dont really see the point of this. Just admit you made an error and we can move on.

Oh and you did not "prove me wrong". Not even close. Paul still said those things inspired by God so thus it should be acted as a free elective given by God.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

Well it's not my fault you made the same error he did - arguing that someone's condemnation to hell equates to God not loving them.

You need to get a Biblical instruction on what love is and WHO we are commanded to love and NOT LOVE.
Love comes with instruction as does everything we have to do (Heb. 4:12-13).

If you haven't been instructed then the love you have is sensuous, earthy, and emotional. This borders on mysticism.

God does not love everyone. If He did ALL would be saved because like His Will God's Love is Sovereign.
HE tells us WHO to love and WHO not to love just like everything else in our lives. You don't belong to yourself so stop and get off the throne and let the Word guide you...lamp and light to path and step - every step.
Or He's not Lord of your life.

 

[RaymondG]

Oh and you did not "prove me wrong". Not even close. Paul still said those things inspired by God so thus it should be acted as a free elective given by God.

Again, I said nothing about who inspired the words. Just noted that you said all the words are from God....when there are specific passages that state that the writings are not the word from God, and other which state they are personal judgement etc.... This does not mean they are any less valuable than the others words which do not indicate origin.... only that they statement "all the words in the bible are from God" is not totally backed by scripture....