Scientists find first bird beak.

[dad]

Let's face it. Origin sciences are a creationist caricature of the real world.

Actually, there really are branches of science that deal with where the universe and life came from...at least they believe they do.

But when you live in the fishbowl, everything else looks warped and you don't realize where you are. Science is a great first step for getting out of the fishbowl. Meaning you have to grow legs and learn how to breath air.

Guppy philosophy aside, the majestic destiny and plan for man is much bigger than the little puddle science prances around in.

 

[dad]

Science is not religion.

The many branches of science that deal in origins are nothing but religion.

Planes fly because they were build on scientific evidence-based knowledge. Praying won't make a plane fly.

Planes have nothing to do with origins. You can't hitch your fable wagon to planes. It doesn't fly.

I'll give you a single easy one to start with: +100.000 layers of snow ice in ice-cores taken from the north pole. That accounts for +100.000 winter/summer cycles.

In this nature, a seasonal pattern does exist, as it does in the growth of trees. All you are doing is trying to claim the present nature always was in place. That is religion.

So, how does that fit into your YECism?
Did seasons only last for 12 hours Last Thursday?

Using the tree as an example, if a tree grew in a few weeks in the different nature of the past, then obviously, seasons have nothing to do with the cycles that affected tree rings then.

That indeed is not evidence. That's a claim - and a religious one at that. A claim, which is not supported by evidence.

It is evidence. It occurred to me that science is demon possessed!!!! It is incapable of knowing the truth, and seeks darkness religiously, and preaches fanatically.

 

[AirPo]

Actually, there really are branches of science that deal with where the universe and life came from...at least they believe they do.

Guppy philosophy aside, the majestic destiny and plan for man is much bigger than the little puddle science prances around in.

Guppy philosophers still haven't learned that their warped view of the world is due to being the ones in the fishbowl and that their majestic destiny is to grow legs, evolve to breath air, climb out of the fish bowl, and maybe someday, understand science.

 

[AirPo]

The many branches of science that deal in origins are nothing but religion.

The few branches of religion that deal with science are nothing but cults.

 

[AirPo]

Planes have nothing to do with origins. You can't hitch your fable wagon to planes. It doesn't fly.

You can hitch your creationist fable wagon to a real life plane and it will fly.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In this nature, a seasonal pattern does exist, as it does in the growth of trees. All you are doing is trying to claim the present nature always was in place. That is religion.

Lol... Yes, everything was "different" just Last Thursday.

Using the tree as an example, if a tree grew in a few weeks in the different nature of the past,

This past, was that Last Thursday by any chance?

then obviously, seasons have nothing to do with the cycles that affected tree rings then.

And if the Eiffel Tower was small enough, I could fit it in my back pocket.

It is evidence.

Claims are not evidence. Claims require evidence.

It occurred to me that science is demon possessed!!!!

It occured to me that you'll say anything just to feel justified in your Last Thursdayism beliefs.

It is incapable of knowing the truth, and seeks darkness religiously, and preaches fanatically.

lol

 

[dad]

You can hitch your creationist fable wagon to a real life plane and it will fly.

No plane flies on evo dust. Really.

 

[Jimmy D]

No plane flies on evo dust. Really.

Lol, no, they fly on fossil fuels.

You know, those huge reserves of dead organisms that refute YEC nonsense.

 

[AirPo]

No plane flies on evo dust. Really.

Makes sense since there is no such thing as evo dust in reality. Which of course doubles down on the makes no sense in reality, because in the HI Theory you can make up whatever you want. So planes don't need nonexistent evo dust. But they do, which makes no sense. So they can be flying and not flying at the same time. Which makes no sense and makes perfect sense at the same time.

 

[dad]

Lol, no, they fly on fossil fuels.

You know, those huge reserves of dead organisms that refute YEC nonsense.

Great. A lot of things died and turned to fossil fuels since creation. Nothing to do with evo religion.

 

[dad]

Makes sense since there is no such thing as evo dust in reality. Which of course doubles down on the makes no sense in reality, because in the HI Theory you can make up whatever you want. So planes don't need nonexistent evo dust. But they do, which makes no sense. So they can be flying and not flying at the same time. Which makes no sense and makes perfect sense at the same time.

The point you avoid or miss is that a plane flying has zero to do with evolution.

 

[Jimmy D]

Great. A lot of things died and turned to fossil fuels since creation. Nothing to do with evo religion.

What creation?

The point you avoid or miss is that a plane flying has zero to do with evolution

Tell that to Xianghua.

And those idiots that go on about hurricanes in scrapyards.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Great. A lot of things died and turned to fossil fuels since creation. Nothing to do with evo religion.

Quite a lot of things indeed - like hundreds of millions of years worth of it... Do you have any idea how much life there would have to have been in your assertion of a mere 6,000 years to get the fossil fuels we currently have in the ground?

From: Bad Mileage: 98 tons of plants per gallon

"A staggering 98 tons of prehistoric, buried plant material - that's 196,000 pounds - is required to produce each gallon of gasoline we burn in our cars, SUVs, trucks and other vehicles, according to a study conducted at the University of Utah.

"Can you imagine loading 40 acres worth of wheat - stalks, roots and all - into the tank of your car or SUV every 20 miles?" asks ecologist Jeff Dukes, whose study will be published in the November issue of the journal Climatic Change.

But that's how much ancient plant matter had to be buried millions of years ago and converted by pressure, heat and time into oil to produce one gallon of gas, Dukes concluded.

Dukes also calculated that the amount of fossil fuel burned in a single year - 1997 was used in the study - totals 97 million billion pounds of carbon, which is equivalent to more than 400 times "all the plant matter that grows in the world in a year," including vast amounts of microscopic plant life in the oceans.

"Every day, people are using the fossil fuel equivalent of all the plant matter that grows on land and in the oceans over the course of a whole year," he adds.

In another calcultation, Dukes determined that "the amount of plants that went into the fossil fuels we burned since the Industrial Revolution began [in 1751] is equal to all the plants grown on Earth over 13,300 years."
​

And that's just the stuff we've so far been able to find, dig up, refine and burn - there's far more there than could possibly fit into a 6-10 thousand year old earth, I'm afraid and we're burning through it at a much faster rate than ever before.

 

[dad]

What creation?



Tell that to Xianghua.

And those idiots that go on about hurricanes in scrapyards.

I see.

 

[dad]

Quite a lot of things indeed - like hundreds of millions of years worth of it... Do you have any idea how much life there would have to have been in your assertion of a mere 6,000 years to get the fossil fuels we currently have in the ground?

Only in your religion. In mine, no such imaginary great time was needed.

From: Bad Mileage: 98 tons of plants per gallon

"A staggering 98 tons of prehistoric, buried plant material - that's 196,000 pounds - is required to produce each gallon of gasoline we burn in our cars, SUVs, trucks and other vehicles, according to a study conducted at the University of Utah.

"Can you imagine loading 40 acres worth of wheat - stalks, roots and all - into the tank of your car or SUV every 20 miles?" asks ecologist Jeff Dukes, whose study will be published in the November issue of the journal Climatic Change.

But that's how much ancient plant matter had to be buried millions of years ago and converted by pressure, heat and time into oil to produce one gallon of gas, Dukes concluded.

Dukes also calculated that the amount of fossil fuel burned in a single year - 1997 was used in the study - totals 97 million billion pounds of carbon, which is equivalent to more than 400 times "all the plant matter that grows in the world in a year," including vast amounts of microscopic plant life in the oceans.

"Every day, people are using the fossil fuel equivalent of all the plant matter that grows on land and in the oceans over the course of a whole year," he adds.

In another calcultation, Dukes determined that "the amount of plants that went into the fossil fuels we burned since the Industrial Revolution began [in 1751] is equal to all the plants grown on Earth over 13,300 years."
​

And that's just the stuff we've so far been able to find, dig up, refine and burn - there's far more there than could possibly fit into a 6-10 thousand year old earth, I'm afraid and we're burning through it at a much faster rate than ever before.

From your link

"To determine how much ancient plant matter it took to eventually produce modern fossil fuels, Dukes calculated how much of the carbon in the original vegetation was lost during each stage of the multiple-step processes that create oil, gas and coal."

THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE STAGES ARE INVENTED BASED ON ASSUMING WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IN this PRESENT NATURE.

ho hum..do you really not realize you have just religion??

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Only in your religion. In mine, no such imaginary great time was needed.

no religion for me so far, thanks!

From your link

"To determine how much ancient plant matter it took to eventually produce modern fossil fuels, Dukes calculated how much of the carbon in the original vegetation was lost during each stage of the multiple-step processes that create oil, gas and coal."

THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE STAGES ARE INVENTED BASED ON ASSUMING WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IN this PRESENT NATURE.

ho hum..do you really not realize you have just religion??

Sure, can you demonstrate how you know the nature of the past was different? Because all the evidence we have says it was the same as it is now.

I don't have high expectations you'll have any, of course... every other time we've discussed it, you've demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of physics and fail to grasp why your fanciful scenario would be brutally obvious to us now.

 

[dad]

no religion for me so far, thanks!

Even if you pretend your religion is not religion, it is not for me, thanks.

Sure, can you demonstrate how you know the nature of the past was different? Because all the evidence we have says it was the same as it is now.

Science cannot demonstrate same or different. It has just proceeded on the belief it was the one way.

I am happy to believe God's record of the future and past, thanks.

I don't have high expectations you'll have any, of course... every other time we've discussed it, you've demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of physics and fail to grasp why your fanciful scenario would be brutally obvious to us now.

You fail to grasp that the present nature is not what changed! Yes, if this nature changed we would know it. However since science knows nothing of the future or former natures, they have no clue that we are the change from that!

How sweet it is.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Even if you pretend your religion is not religion, it is not for me, thanks.
Science cannot demonstrate same or different. It has just proceeded on the belief it was the one way.

I am happy to believe God's record of the future and past, thanks.
You fail to grasp that the present nature is not what changed! Yes, if this nature changed we would know it. However since science knows nothing of the future or former natures, they have no clue that we are the change from that!

How sweet it is.

As I suspected, it's all just wishful thinking on your part. You keep believing in last Thursdayism, I'm fine here in reality, thanks!

 

[Brightmoon]

Dad, astronomers can actually see back in time because of the speed of light . We see the sun as it appeared 8 minutes ago. We see alpha Centauri as it was 4 years ago. There are stars that formed after the Big Bang that have no elements above iron in them . Astronomers can SEE them !
Your scenario is pure fiction. You might believe it but it never happened. The only explanation that fits with your view of the universe is something called Last Thursdayism . God created the universe in its present form with the appearance of billions of years, last Thursday .

 

[dad]

As I suspected, it's all just wishful thinking on your part. You keep believing in last Thursdayism, I'm fine here in reality, thanks!

Your reality is a fantasy that has no support as far as origin issues go. Tossing out the phrase last thursday does not help.