GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

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Can you be righteous (having Christ's Righteousness on you) and be tempted and sin? Yes... when that happens, we confess, and ask for the forgiveness promised us and are sanctified.

What do you do listed when you are tempted into sin? Or are you like 1stcenturylady and have not sinned in 40 years?

First you didn't answer the question. Second, no I'm not like her. I've read the Bible. If and when I sin I apply 1 John 1:9.

Now what is posted often about wilful and repeated sin? Since you promote following the law, why aren't you in compliance at least with the commandment of contention?

 

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The commandment of adultery is about sexual sin, yes. But it is also about unfaithfulness on many levels. Your scales prevent you from seeing the depth of meaning contained in the Decalogue...

You may talk about yourself all you want but the rules here say you can't talk about me in this manner.

I've no idea why you bring up adultery. It's stuff like this why I quit attending church. I'm not guilty of such. But you don't keep the 4th commandment as written. Since you aren't in compliance, you're guilty of wilful sin as posted often here.

 

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Do you have any scripture that’s says we are commanded to gather on Sunday to worship Jesus ?

Do you have any Scripture commanding the Christian to worship on Saturday?

 

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Indeed because his questions were answered with God's WORD and it disagreed with his teachings.

Where?

 

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If you can be declared righteous while CONTINUING in a life of KNOWN SIN there would be no need of repentance. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another..

You'll never see me make such a statement. You accuse because of the law from which the Christian is excused by the new covenant. The Christian isn't excused from sin as you'll try to say. A Christian isn't condemned even by the law if Romans 8:1 for those who walk after the Spirit. The verse could also be taken to mean those who walk after the flesh are though.

MATTHEW 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

LUKE 13:3 [3], I tell you, No: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.

MARK 6:12 [12], And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

ACT 3:19 [19], Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

ACT 8:22 [22], Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.

ACT 17:30 [30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

1 JOHN 2:2-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:6-8 [6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Seems like God's WORD disagrees with you.

Not at all. Seems you misapply God's word. Since the Christian isn't under the law they can't violate it. So not keeping the 4th even your amended 4th commandment isn't sin for the Christian. The Christians is both dead to the law and now delivered from it. Proof is in Romans 6 and 7. But you keep trying to condemn us with the law against Romans 8:1.

Romans 7:6 is not the problem it is your interpretation of it that is in error as already shown from the scriptures here (linked) CLICK ME.

No it's your headache. You add in what you want to so you may justify condemn others. It says absolutely nothing about being delivered from sin or punishment of sin.

Your c&p spam condemnation attempt has been deleted
as always.

 

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All your doing is part quoting what was posted to you. The scriptures quoted here are ROMANS 7:5-9. Correct sin is not mentioned in v6 which reads.

No sir. Even if I quoted all you reference it wouldn't change the meaning of my quote or reference.

ROMANS 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

The CONTEXT is this verse however is SIN!

No the whole chapter is about the law.

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of SINS, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

True. Romans 8 addresses those in the flesh. It also addresses those who walk in the Spirit. 1 Timothy 1:9 says very plainly the righteous (Christian) isn't obligated to the law. In saying you or we are means we're still wicked in our sins and unrepentant. Romans says righteousness doesn't come by the law according to Romans 3:20. The next verse says righteousness is manifested without the law. You can condemn the Christian by saying one is guilty of sin by the law. Righteousness God requires can't be attained by the law.

Reading the scriptures in CONTEXT together

Q. What was it that God's LAW shows in ROMANS 7 that has bound us?

Verse 5 doesn't say we're bound by sin. Read the text slowly. It says For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law.

First one must be in (operating in) the flesh.
Second it says sins which were (caused) by the law.

Let's go back to the verse that is before....

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of SINS, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

A. It is SIN that has bound us !

The verse says nothing of the sort. There's nothing about being bound in the verse.

<* NOTE: the key to this verse is delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held. The law revived and I died... Why? Because the LAW gave a KNOWLEDDGE of SIN. It is SIN that God's LAW holds us guilty of breaking (ROMANS 3:19-20).

Not in context with chapters 6 and 7. Both say dead to the law while you say alive to the law and sin. My body continues to sin from time to time. It isn't subject to the law as Romans 8 says. [/quote]
It is SIN that we are delivered from not God's LAW.>[/quote]Here you change from the national law God gave Israel to God's law which aren't the same thing as Moses tells us with Genesis 26:5 and Deuteronomy 5:3.

The GREEK (interlinear) translation to english of ROMANS 7:6 is...

"Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"

You solidify my point to your chagrin.

IT IS THE PENALTY AND CONDEMNATION FROM SIN THAT WE ARE RELEASED FROM! God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN. We become guilty before God under the law because we have broken it (Romans 3:19-20). The BLOOD of CHRIST frees is from the PENALTY and CONDEMNATION of God's LAW through FAITH and FORGIVENESS.

That is a very destructive half truth. Yes we're delivered from the punishment of sin by being born again. One can't be unrighteous and enter heaven (have eternal life) as Jesus told Nicodemus by saying: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. I will add in John 10 to further solidify my position.

You leave out the CONTEXT in your interpretation of one scripture. This only shows your error.

No sir, but you add in what isn't there for your error as you aptly do in your post.

Indeed now reading the word meaning in CONTEXT to the literal GREEK translation of the of the whole scripture in the interlinear as shown earlier it reads...

v6 "Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"

We are released from the PENALTY AND CONDEMNATION of the law through faith and FORGIVENESS in the BLOOD of CHIRST our SINS have been forgiven and we are no longer CONDEMNED as SINNERS under God's LAW.

No, your in red says release from the law. It syas nothing about penalty. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it does.

Continuing..

For what purpose? You already aptly disproved you position by quote. I see no need to continue with the rest of your post trying to obligate us to the law and condemnation.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

First you didn't answer the question. Second, no I'm not like her. I've read the Bible. If and when I sin I apply 1 John 1:9.

Now what is posted often about wilful and repeated sin? Since you promote following the law, why aren't you in compliance at least with the commandment of contention?

Perhaps you can help me out with telling me how I don't keep the Sabbath Holy, as I know how.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You may talk about yourself all you want but the rules here say you can't talk about me in this manner.

I've no idea why you bring up adultery. It's stuff like this why I quit attending church. I'm not guilty of such. But you don't keep the 4th commandment as written. Since you aren't in compliance, you're guilty of wilful sin as posted often here.

First, I never said you were guilty of anything except seeing the deeper meanings to the precepts... second, I again ask you to help me out in showing me how I am not keeping the Sabbath Holy?

 

[1stcenturylady]

They are specifically called the "ten commandments". They are a unit. All or nothing, even as James points out.

Yes, I understand, but the whole Law [Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJB], the Ten Commandments, are Light. Not one single piece of it is "shadow". You cannot segregate out a single piece, otherwise scripture becomes broken.

Did Jesus speak the Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai?

Anti-typical feasts are to be kept anti-typically [and you must agree, or your own argument fails], see 1 Corinthians 5:8 KJB.

Yes, that is in the NT, Acts 10, 11 & 15; 1 Peter 1:15-16, among others, see Revelation 18:2 KJB and so on.

Yes indeed, the carnal nature, the fleshly nature, must be cut off [Romans 7:24 KJB - O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?]. Circumcise your heart. Obey God in His commandments, and come back into harmory with His 4th Commandment [Exodus 20:8-11 KJB].

Mere assertions, no evidences. Lumping everything together like that, without scripture to base it upon, is your own apriori.

No, the matters of the previous items you had stated were being pushed, as you say, by Juda-izers, like as the item of the 'sabbath', you specifically mentioned. Again, the Sabbath isn't 'Jewish', it is Godly.

We have existed from the beginning. The very name "Seventh-day Adventist", is Keeping the Commandments of God [the 7th Day] and the Faith of Jesus [Adventist]. It is Alpha to Omega, First to Last, Beginning to Ending, Author to Finished [the 7th day to Advent], it is what Adam was, Abel was, Seth was, Enoch was, Noah was, Abraham was, Job was, Isaac was, Jacob/Israel was, Joseph was, Moses was, Joshua was, David was, Solomon was, John the Baptist was, Jesus was, Disciples was, etc, etc.

The God-given name encompasses the whole plan of redemption itself. It encompasses the remnant of that which was before.

It is steeped in the Sanctuary itself.

[1] Moses/Israelites, the wilderness and courtyard and sacrifices experience

[2] Disciples, the courtyard to Holy Place experience

[3] Seventh-day Adventist from Holy Place to Most Holy place experience​

Three movements. All tied to the Sanctuary.

You misquoted me. I stated that the Sabbath ... "It is atonement between God and man." I did not say it was "an" atonement. I said it "is" atonement between God and man. Just as marriage is atonement between man [Adam] and woman [Eve]; Genesis 2:24 KJB. Twin institutions of Eden, Marriage and Sabbath. The Day in which God and man are together [two or more gathered], in at-one-ment in a sanctified and holy way. Sin separated between us and God:

Isaiah 59:2 KJB - But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.​

Yet before sin, God was with man, in the Sabbath, in the garden.

I will even here add, the word "Remember", which is "re", again, and "member" a body part, thus to "bring back together" [of the heart, just as thoughts come back together in the mind]

Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27 KJB.

What is your process to do multiple quotes with the name with it?

 

[The7thColporteur]

What is your process to do multiple quotes with the name with it?

There are a couple of ways to do it.

[1] You can use the multiquote feature that is pre-built into the thread, by selecting and highlighting any portion of text you want to quote, just highlight and you should see at "quote" and "reply" feature. If you select the "quote" it will add the selected text to the multi-quote paste board.

[2] [what I normally do] is simply when I hit the reply button, I copy the reply header which begins with "{QUOTE= ...}" and paste it where I need it, and then make sure I type out the ending "{/quote}" and begin my reply, and then when I want to respond to the next part, I repeat the process. It might be longer than the other way, but I prefer it anyway.

[3] you can simply use "{quote}" and "{/quote}" to surround the replies with and then respond, but in so doing, it will leave out the user name, location of previous response, etc. I think you can still add your own "=" and name still, but it won't link to the actual previous repsonse.

replace all "{}" with "[]"​

 

[1stcenturylady]

There are a couple of ways to do it.

[1] You can use the multiquote feature that is pre-built into the thread, by selecting and highlighting any portion of text you want to quote, just highlight and you should see at "quote" and "reply" feature. If you select the "quote" it will add the selected text to the multi-quote paste board.

[2] [what I normally do] is simply when I hit the reply button, I copy the reply header which begins with "{QUOTE= ...}" and paste it where I need it, and then make sure I type out the ending "{/quote}" and begin my reply, and then when I want to respond to the next part, I repeat the process. It might be longer than the other way, but I prefer it anyway.

[3] you can simply use "{quote}" and "{/quote}" to surround the replies with and then respond, but in so doing, it will leave out the user name, location of previous response, etc. I think you can still add your own "=" and name still, but it won't link to the actual previous repsonse.

replace all "{}" with "[]"​

Thanks. LoveGodsWord gets mad at me if I don't answer every statement. If I can get the hang of this, maybe he will forgive me. LOL

 

[The7thColporteur]

Thanks. LoveGodsWord gets mad at me if I don't answer every statement. If I can get the hang of this, maybe he will forgive me. LOL

There is a certain level of frustration that comes with two or more people discussing differing theologies, and many times it is the differing definitions of the same words being used that are not properly defined etc, that causes the tension.

You are welcome, just "preview" your response to make sure it is all lined up properly before responding. I have found on occasion that I miss an end quote or misspell something and have to quickly fix it in edit.

 

[1stcenturylady]

There is a certain level of frustration that comes with two or more people discussing differing theologies, and many times it is the differing definitions of the same words being used that are not properly defined etc, that causes the tension.

You are welcome, just "preview" your response to make sure it is all lined up properly before responding. I have found on occasion that I miss an end quote or misspell something and have to quickly fix it in edit.

yes, me to. I edit a lot!

 

[JLB777]

That will happen after the 1000 years, when New Jerusalem, the Camp of the Saints comes down, and all the wicked are without the camp, and fiery stones rain upon the wicked destroying them forever, for that is when my judgment [in agreement with the word of God] will Amen God's judgment, which was given to you in evidence already. See:

GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

Notice in Numbers 15:35, we have to have the "camp" on earth:

Numbers 15:35 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without [outside of] the camp.
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Presently our "camp" [city] is not on earth:

Hebrews 13:14 KJB - For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.​

It will be eventually:

Revelation 20:9 KJB - And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

My question to you was how many people have you or your congregation put to death for violating the Sabbath?

 

[JLB777]

Do you have any Scripture commanding the Christian to worship on Saturday?

No scripture have I seen that commands the Christian to worship on any specific day of the week.

 

[The7thColporteur]

My question to you was how many people have you or your congregation put to death for violating the Sabbath?

My answer, answered you. The "death" is coming, for the judgment is already written. The "camp" of New Jerusalem must be present on earth in its fulness. That is not here yet. The "condition" set down by Jesus must be met, and that does not happen until after He blots out the sins of His people, which will be soon.

 

[The7thColporteur]

No scripture have I seen that commands the Christian to worship on any specific day of the week.

John 14:15 which is citing Exodus 20:6, the heart of the Ten Commandments, then see Exodus 20:8-11 KJB.

The problem isn't in the eyes.

 

[JLB777]

My answer, answered you. The "death" is coming, for the judgment is already written. The "camp" of New Jerusalem must be present on earth in its fulness. That is not here yet. The "condition" set down by Jesus must be met, and that does not happen until after He blots out the sins of His people, which will be soon.

Sorry. That is not an answer.

The law that you quote concerning the Sabbath required that the violater be put to death, not “death is coming”.

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lordcommanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Numbers 15:32-36


Again how many people have you yourself or your congregation put to death for violating the Sabbath?

Do you understand that if you don’t follow these commandments concerning the Sabbath, then you are guilty of breaking the Sabbath law?


JLB

 

[The7thColporteur]

Sorry. That is not an answer....

Then I cannot help you. If you refuse my answer, there is no other answer to give.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No sir. Even if I quoted all you reference it wouldn't change the meaning of my quote or reference.No the whole chapter is about the law.True. Romans 8 addresses those in the flesh. It also addresses those who walk in the Spirit. 1 Timothy 1:9 says very plainly the righteous (Christian) isn't obligated to the law. In saying you or we are means we're still wicked in our sins and unrepentant. Romans says righteousness doesn't come by the law according to Romans 3:20. The next verse says righteousness is manifested without the law. You can condemn the Christian by saying one is guilty of sin by the law. Righteousness God requires can't be attained by the law.Verse 5 doesn't say we're bound by sin. Read the text slowly. It says For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law.First one must be in (operating in) the flesh.Second it says sins which were (caused) by the law.The verse says nothing of the sort. There's nothing about being bound in the verse.Not in context with chapters 6 and 7. Both say dead to the law while you say alive to the law and sin. My body continues to sin from time to time. It isn't subject to the law as Romans 8 says. It is SIN that we are delivered from not God's LAW.Here you change from the national law God gave Israel to God's law which aren't the same thing as Moses tells us with Genesis 26:5 and Deuteronomy 5:3. You solidify my point to your chagrin.That is a very destructive half truth. Yes we're delivered from the punishment of sin by being born again. One can't be unrighteous and enter heaven (have eternal life) as Jesus told Nicodemus by saying: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. I will add in John 10 to further solidify my position.No sir, but you add in what isn't there for your error as you aptly do in your post.No, your in red says release from the law. It syas nothing about penalty. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it does.For what purpose? You already aptly disproved you position by quote. I see no need to continue with the rest of your post trying to obligate us to the law and condemnation.

All you have provided above is your words over God's WORD.

Your post as already been shown to be false through God's WORD in post # 567 and post # 604 (linked) CLICK ME.

Also here is more scriptures on Romans 7-8 on the same topic linked CLICK ME.

The problem with your interpretation is you are trying to separate SIN from God's LAW.

It is only through God's LAW that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. You cannot separate sin from God's LAW because without God's LAW there is no KNOWLEDGE of SIN.

God's WORD is very clear that no one who professes to be a Christian will be CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. Those who do so do not KNOW GOD and are lying and are not God's Children (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10)

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another..

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).