Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

[Albion]

Free will, when presented with a logical argument, that was at odds with God's Word...; how did that work out for us in Eden?

What are you talking about? The subject is Freemasony, not some church or religion. And of course we all have the ability to choose our associations, cars, residences, spouses, jobs, groceries, friends, clothing, etc. etc. in life--and it has nothing to do with theology or the Garden of Eden.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

What are you talking about? The subject is Freemasony, not some church or religion. And of course we all have the ability to choose our associations, cars, residences, spouses, jobs, groceries, friends, clothing, etc. etc. in life--and it has nothing to do with theology or the Garden of Eden.

Simply replying to the context you added to your post:

Every individual makes his own choices based upon any number of considerations.

 

[Albion]

Yes, I understand that those were the words you were responding to, but you changed the meaning of them before reacting! You had not asked about Freewill vs. Predestination or anything like that, but, rather, about a Master Masons choice to join (or not) various appendant orders, each of which has its own degrees.

 

[Godcrazy]

I've nothing against the one doing what is God's word.
When that's said, you really should check out John Todd and William schnoebelen on YouTube. They described it very well, all of it.
There ara many good people, in masonry. And well meaning people. But the most don't know what they serve. And what the upper layers are doing.
Please check them out.

 

[Godcrazy]

Did you know, that what's done in witchcraft, is done almost identical in masonry, the rituals.... Check it.

 

[Albion]

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There ara many good people, in masonry. And well meaning people. But the most don't know what they serve. And what the upper layers are doing.
Please check them out.

We have all heard that line many times. It is all hooey. There is no upper layer of Masonic bosses who actually rule the world.

In fact, it would be impossible, given the vastly de-centralized structure of the Masonic organizations. That is exactly opposite from what the conspiracy theorists suppose.

 

[Albion]

Did you know, that what's done in witchcraft, is done almost identical in masonry, the rituals.... Check it.

Tell us all about it. I would be interested to compare the stories with the actual rituals.

 

[Godcrazy]

Compare the witchcraft rituals and the masonic..
It's coming from those ,who were there. And left, when they discovered the truth.
John todd, his very own family brought masonry to us shouldn't he know? He risked his life telling the truth

 

[Godcrazy]

I won't do for another, what he can easily do for himself If the want is there!

 

[Godcrazy]

If nothing to lose ... John Todd .William scnoebelen... YouTube .

 

[Albion]

Compare the witchcraft rituals and the masonic..
It's coming from those ,who were there. And left, when they discovered the truth.
John todd, his very own family brought masonry to us shouldn't he know? He risked his life telling the truth

So tell us!

Once again we have a claim minus any supporting evidence of any sort. There is not even a description in lieu of evidence!

It might as well be claimed that Masons (or Chambers of Commerce or golf leagues or the PTA) conduct secret rituals with Martians; and why not, considering that there is no evidence to go with it.

 

[Godcrazy]

I'm not here to convince you, the information is there, the day you need it..
There's no need to tell anything one can watch himself if nothing to lose,...

 

[Albion]

I'm not here to convince you, the information is there, the day you need it..
There's no need to tell anything one can watch himself if nothing to lose,...

Well, I took a look, but IMO it is your responsibility to stand by your allegations. But I am not about to spend 45minutes listening to such nonsense. That's what I have to lose--45 minutes of my life that could be better spent doing almost anything else.

He offers absolutely no proof of anything. It sounds like he has just amalgamated everything that is online about any so-called occult movement--stars of David, rock music, the mythical Illuminati, etc.

What do you want to add that I might have missed--about Masonry, not the rest of that baloney?

 

[Rhamiel]

As for satanic witchcraft we have the account of St Maximilian Kolbe, the saint who gave his life in Ashwitze to save a Jewish prisoner, decades before his death he was visiting Rome in 1917 when the Freemasons were celebrating their bicentennial, they were marching through the streets with banners praising Lucifer and mocking God and His Church

 

[Albion]

As for satanic witchcraft we have the account of St Maximilian Kolbe, the saint who gave his life in Ashwitze to save a Jewish prisoner, decades before his death he was visiting Rome in 1917 when the Freemasons were celebrating their bicentennial, they were marching through the streets with banners praising Lucifer and mocking God and His Church

Certainly not Masons as we know them in the English-speaking world and not part of the same organization. There are many groups like that, but of course they all claim to be whatever...and the onlooker has no reason to know the difference, just as a non-Christian is likely to think that a church that is part one or another of the "traditional" or Sedevacantist Catholic churches is part of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[JM]

I have a prayer book produced by Freemasons for Freemasons - it's very Anglican. Reminds me of the Book of Common Prayer. They accompanying hymnal contains classic Christian hymns.

 

[Albion]

It is worth mentioning also that, if Masonry so obviously did worship Lucifer as in the story we read in that earlier post, or Allah, as another post contended, or some made-up god of Masonry's own creation...

the Masons who belong to Christian Forums here and are ordained ministers and pastors of prominent Christian denominations would hardly be willing to belong.

 

[Francis Drake]

It is worth mentioning also that, if Masonry so obviously did worship Lucifer as in the story we read in that earlier post, or Allah, as another post contended, or some made-up god of Masonry's own creation...

the Masons who belong to Christian Forums here and are ordained ministers and pastors of prominent Christian denominations would hardly be willing to belong.

Would that such idealistic thoughts were actually true, and that church leaders had more Godliness and wisdom than to follow delusion deception and perversion, sadly, the history of the church is that of leaders taking believers into every sort of heresy and apostasy, Freemasonry being a prime example.

Here's an extract from Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma prepared for the Supreme Council of Freemasonry.

That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.

Anyone who claims that Freemasonry is compatible with serving the Lord is either deliberately or foolishly deluding himself and those he speaks to.

 

[Theo102]

The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine.

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,

The Catholic Exultset.

 

[Albion]

Would that such idealistic thoughts were actually true, and that church leaders had more Godliness and wisdom than to follow delusion deception and perversion, sadly, the history of the church is that of leaders taking believers into every sort of heresy and apostasy, Freemasonry being a prime example.

If it takes implying that these ministers whom you do not even know are apostates (!) in order to find fault with what I reported in my previous post about some of the Masons here being Christian ministers and smart enough to know if the fraternity they joined worships Lucifer or not, I would have to say that that's not a very convincing argument. Do you have a better one?

Here's an extract from Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma prepared for the Supreme Council of Freemasonry.

That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.

Anyone who claims that Freemasonry is compatible with serving the Lord is either deliberately or foolishly deluding himself and those he speaks to.

Not based upon showing that one man, Albert Pike, expressed his own thoughts in a book! You quickly dismissed the faith of some Christian ministers who are Masons, but in the same breath you talk as though the personal views of Albert Pike are also those of tens of millions of Masons! That doesn't even make sense.

It is no secret that Masonry is a fraternity composed of men from many walks of life, except that a certain minimum is required of them, just as in many other such clubs. In this case, it is belief in one God and in the immortality of the human soul.

Beyond that, the members are men who belong to a wide range of churches and hold to a variety of religious and political beliefs, JUST AS IS THE CASE WITH MOST OTHER civic and benevolent associations!

In short, that is NOT a better argument than the first one.