Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

[Albion]

I don't care about the detail, what's the synopsis?

He wasn't speaking of any being, person, etc.

 

[Theo102]

He wasn't speaking of any being, person, etc.

So what do you think he was talking about?

 

[Albion]

In short, Light. And that is not just my own surmising.

Read the link. I just read it again myself and it must have taken all of one minute.

 

[Theo102]

In short, Light. And that is not just my own surmising.

How do you reconcile that with the "he" of what Pike actually said?

"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light"

Son of the morning is of course a reference to the king of Babylon if Isaiah 14:12

 

[Albion]

How do you reconcile that with the "he" of what Pike actually said?

"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light"

Son of the morning is of course a reference to the king of Babylon if Isaiah 14:12

Sure. That's covered in the literature, too, but it is all a grand analogy.

 

[Theo102]

Sure. That's covered in the literature, too, but it is all a grand analogy.

So what you're saying is that when Pike makes a distinction between the Son of the Morning and the light, without any implied metaphor, what he actually means is that the light is a metaphor for the Son of the Morning?

 

[JM]

It's amusing that it's Pike's own opinion, but everyone gets a copy.

Every Scottish Rite member use to get one, not every Mason is a Scottish Rite member though

 

[seeking.IAM]

...I think most who are involved are not consciously rejecting Christianity rather they are ignorant of what FM is.

I'm not a Mason. I know little about them beyond knowing some fellow Christians that are also Masons. That said, I find the above statement curious. You think those outside of Masonry have a better understanding of it than those involved in it? How can this be?

 

[Albion]

Every Scottish Rite member use to get one, not every Mason is a Scottish Rite member though

True.

The points that inquirers ought to keep in mind about Pike are that he 1) was never the head of even the 2) Southern Jurisdiction of the 3) Scottish Rite which is open to Master Masons, although 4) few of them are members, and his writings are simply 5) his own musings. There is 6) nothing about them that is "What Masons believe" or are taught, and he was 7) not talking about Satan anyway.

 

[JM]

True.

The points that inquirers ought to keep in mind about Pike are that he 1) was never the head of even the 2) Southern Jurisdiction of the 3) Scottish Rite which is open to Master Masons, although 4) few of them are members, and his writings are simply 5) his own musings. There is 6) nothing about them that is "What Masons believe" or are taught, and he was 7) not talking about Satan anyway.

What about York Rite Albion? What is the deal with that one? I never hear as much hoopla over York like I do the Scottish one.

 

[Albion]

What about York Rite Albion? What is the deal with that one? I never hear as much hoopla over York like I do the Scottish one.

Frankly, I don't recall having heard any allegations specifically against the York Rite.

 

[JM]

Frankly, I don't recall having heard any allegations specifically against the York Rite.

Just asking.

Is there something in the history books that leads people to believe Freemasonry has 33 degrees and if you are below that you are just 'not in the know?' Seems to be a common thread...in this thread.

 

[Theo102]

The points that inquirers ought to keep in mind about Pike are that he ... was 7) not talking about Satan anyway.

He was talking about the "Son of the Morning", which relates to Lucifer of Isaiah 14:12.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of El: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


For I will rise up against them, saith YHWH of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith YHWH.

 

[JM]

He was talking about the "Son of the Morning", which relates to Lucifer of Isaiah 14:12.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of El: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


For I will rise up against them, saith YHWH of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith YHWH.

A link was posted earlier that disproves this assertion.

 

[Theo102]

A link was posted earlier that disproves this assertion.

What assertion, specifically, do you think was disproved?

 

[Rick Otto]

Every Scottish Rite member use to get one, not every Mason is a Scottish Rite member though

Thank you... yes I was aware of the latter, not of the former.
Sort of like not every Mason is a willfull and knowing conspirator.
A fine distinction for the invincibly ignorant.

 

[Rick Otto]

He was talking about the "Son of the Morning", which relates to Lucifer of Isaiah 14:12.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of El: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


For I will rise up against them, saith YHWH of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith YHWH.

Do ever get the suspicion that only a Freemason can interpret Albert Pike?

 

[Rick Otto]

I'm not a Mason. I know little about them beyond knowing some fellow Christians that are also Masons. That said, I find the above statement curious. You think those outside of Masonry have a better understanding of it than those involved in it? How can this be?

Easy.
As easy as having a crazy president (take your pick, I don't indulge).
People choose what to focus on. Nobody goes in looking for or suspecting anything when they sign up for what they believe is opportunity.
So nobody questions and everybody goes along to get along.
What outsiders know more about is all counter-intuitive to being an insider.
Unless of course we are talking about X-insiders.
Have any self admitting masons offered any criticism of masonry?
I've yet to see it.
"Compartmentalization" via "need-to-know basis" is how to keep a large organization ignorant of the real end game.

 

[Theo102]

Do ever get the suspicion that only a Freemason can interpret Albert Pike?

Owning the interpretation is a very old trick. If you're not wise enough to interpret the world then you're probably not wise enough to know who should interpret it for you.

 

[Albion]

Have any self admitting masons offered any criticism of masonry?
I've yet to see it.

Hmm. I would think that those who are in the know about everything dealing with Masonry would not be able to say that.

I have read some of those criticisms, and I myself have agreed here on CF that several popular criticisms have been correct.