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[FreeGrace2]

So the Holy Spirit folded, I mean, gave up on man in Genesis 6:3.

Maybe you should actually read the verse first. It says nothing about 'giving up'.

Do you not understand what the verse means? It means God was giving humanity 120 years to repent. Before He wiped them all out, except 8.

But the real question is why anyone would even think to compare themselves with the Holy Spirit.

But certainly not because He was wrong! Because man was too hard-hearted and stubborn to hear Him with an open heart and mind.

So that's your opinion. OK. But you have failed to support your claims with any evidence, as much as you think you have.

 

[justbyfaith]

I am getting quite tired of these fallacious claims.

Please show me the post (or give the post #) where I argued that born again people aren't motivated by the Holy Spirit.

This is a challenge. Are you going to fold once again?


This is just another claim. Without any explanation of how your cited verses refute specifically my opinion, as you call it, you have no point or case.

Or, will this just be another fold on your part?

You seem to think that we have to give an interpretation of the scriptures in order for them to make their point. In all reality, they speak for themselves. But you don't even read the scriptures referenced to you as far as I can tell. No matter; others will: and know that because of this you were defeated a long time ago.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
I've hardly "misconstrued" anything. I have challenged all the posts that fail to provide explanation or evidence to support claims made.

When explanations are not provided, it's IMPOSSIBLE to "misconstrue" anything. Duh.

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Folded.

 

[justbyfaith]

Maybe you should actually read the verse first. It says nothing about 'giving up'.

Do you not understand what the verse means? It means God was giving humanity 120 years to repent. Before He wiped them all out, except 8.

But the real question is why anyone would even think to compare themselves with the Holy Spirit.


So that's your opinion. OK. But you have failed to support your claims with any evidence, as much as you think you have.

Only because of your failure to listen to the Holy Spirit, <edit--> who dwells within me.

 

[justbyfaith]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
I've hardly "misconstrued" anything. I have challenged all the posts that fail to provide explanation or evidence to support claims made.

When explanations are not provided, it's IMPOSSIBLE to "misconstrue" anything. Duh.

Folded.

My spirit stopped striving with you. It just wasn't worth it to keep arguing over a matter that has no doctrinal importance.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think there is a rule against goading on these boards.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You seem to think that we have to give an interpretation of the scriptures in order for them to make their point.

Sure do. How can I follow one's argument if I don't know HOW they understand the verse they cite/quote? How can you not be aware of this?

Don't you know that people have quite DIFFERENT views on what specific verses mean?

In all reality, they speak for themselves.

Sure. Just tell the Arminians and Calvinists that. And then duck!!

But you don't even read the scriptures referenced to you as far as I can tell.

Because you can't tell very far.

No matter; others will: and know that because of this you were defeated a long time ago.

LOL

 

[FreeGrace2]

I think there is a rule against goading on these boards.

Could you be so kind as to explain what I'm goading you to do, when I ask for explanations?

 

[justbyfaith]

Sure do. How can I follow one's argument if I don't know HOW they understand the verse they cite/quote? How can you not be aware of this?

Don't you know that people have quite DIFFERENT views on what specific verses mean?


Sure. Just tell the Arminians and Calvinists that. And then duck!!


Because you can't tell very far.


LOL

I'm not here to argue; I'm here to impart sound doctrine to anyone who will listen. See 2 Timothy 2:24-26.

 

[justbyfaith]

Could you be so kind as to explain what I'm goading you to do, when I ask for explanations?

Sure; because love is kind. You are attempting to goad me to continue with you when it is clear to me that you aren't hearing a word I'm saying.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sure do. How can I follow one's argument if I don't know HOW they understand the verse they cite/quote? How can you not be aware of this?

Don't you know that people have quite DIFFERENT views on what specific verses mean?


Sure. Just tell the Arminians and Calvinists that. And then duck!!


Because you can't tell very far.


LOL

The truth is something between Calvinism and Arminiasm. We are eternally secure as long as we abide in Christ. And suddenly, we are back on topic.

 

[justbyfaith]

Maybe you should actually read the verse first. It says nothing about 'giving up'.

Do you not understand what the verse means? It means God was giving humanity 120 years to repent. Before He wiped them all out, except 8.

But the real question is why anyone would even think to compare themselves with the Holy Spirit.


So that's your opinion. OK. But you have failed to support your claims with any evidence, as much as you think you have.

At risk of going back to the other topic, the letter kills, but the spirit gives life. iow, it is the meaning of what is said that counts and not being a stickler for the words used.

 

[justbyfaith]

Iow, we should meditate on what the scriptures really mean, and gain insight as time passes. Psalms 1.

 

[justbyfaith]

Here's the fact sir. No person EVER kept the commandments perfectly. Some of them all the time, others most of the time, but NONE ALL of the time.

So, those who claim they keep ALL the commandments ALL of the time ARE liars and the truth isn't in them.

Here's what James said about keeping the commandments:
2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Do you agree with James, or have a different opinion?

My statement, which you disagreed with, was almost a direct quote from 1 John 2:4. Shame on you for disagreeing with scriptural truth!

 

[justbyfaith]

I have NOT. I asked for a post #, and it seems you're only goin' on your memory. You need to do better than that.

I said obedience isn't automatic or guaranteed on the basis of being born again. And I proved it by quoting 2 commands from Paul to believers:
1. STOP grieving the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:18
2. STOP quenching the Holy Spirit - 1 Thess 5:19

Hasn't it occurred to you WHY Paul gave these 2 commands? Because believers DO this. As shown by the imperative mood command which means to STOP.

Add to these commands all the other commands for holy living, etc, and we have proof that righteous living is neither automatic nor guaranteed.


You bet I do. There is NO evidence in the Bible for this idea.

Instead, we have commands for obedience. Why don't you see the difference?


What you have failed to understand is that God gave believers His Holy Spirit as the Power Source for holy living. But we MUST appropriate His power by being filled with the Holy Spirit and walk by His means. Neither of which are automatic or guaranteed.


I JUST NOW corrected your false claim. Are you not following this discussion? Seems you're not tracking very well.

btw, when you "put my words in a form that condemns" my "point of view", all you've done is MISCONSTRUE or MISREPRESENT my words and point of view.

It's simply NOT possible for one's own words to condemn their own point of view.

I'm surprise that you don't get this.

There IS evidence in the Bible for this idea. I slipped it past you. Anyone who reads every post in this thread will know what it is, because I even quoted it out loud for the sake of the casual reader.

And yes, it is possible for someone to have a point of view that is so faulty that even reiterating them in a different form will make them look foolish. We have only seen it just recently, in what we are referring to.

 

[justbyfaith]

If teaching is your goal, then why in the world have you left "explanation" out of so many of your posts?

Aren't you aware that teaching involves lots of explanation? Just citing verses without any explanation cannot be called teaching.

I disagree. See 1 Corinthians 2:13 kjv. The Holy Ghost teaches when we compare scripture with scripture.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's pretty clear that the passage speaks of the lake of fire. The same phrase is used of the beast, false prophet and satan himself in Rev 20.

Jesus is in the lake of fire? (sorry, for some reason I missed this post). It says in that scripture (Revelation 14:7-11), that the eternal torment happens in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. Again, they (those who worship the beast and his image) are tormented day and night for ever and ever but it seems that they also, technically, shall never perish. Therefore John 10:28 is not a guarantee of salvation from eternal torment; it only guarantees that they shall never perish...they are subject to eternal torment therefore, though they are Jesus' sheep, and though they are recipients of eternal life; if they were to reject Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, take the mark, and worship the beast and his image.

 

[justbyfaith]

I asked this:
"Really? Explain your erroneous claim."

Once again, I challenged, and you folded.

Those who can't defend their claims with evidence always have a hard time on these forums.

Here, you challenged someone else, and I responded for them. Since your challenge was not to me, I cannot be counted as having folded on the challenge.

 

[justbyfaith]

I said this:
"You can't change physical DNA and you can't change your "spiritual DNA", per 1 John 3:9."

I believe the Bible, that EVERYONE is a sinner. Rom 3:9, 12, 23.


That's right. All sin came from the devil originally. That's we we are born sinners. Thanks to Adam's sin, which came from the devil.

So, when you sin, now you know where it came from.

Romans 3:9 is interpreted by 1 Corinthians 10:32. Romans 3:10-18, and specifically verse 12, is what the law says about those who are under it, v.19. Romans 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you because you are not under the law but under grace. Romans 3:23, We all come short of God's glory in that we have sinned, not necessarily in that we do sin. Saints are not sinners, contrary to the secular song, "I'm a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], I'm a lover." That song is worldly, see James 4:4. 1 John 3:9, plus if you compare 1 John 2:17 to 1 John 3:6, teaches practical deliverance, freedom, and victory over sin; otherwise there would be no delivered drug addicts. It is in the practical sense; not just in one aspect of our being, that we cannot sin if we are born of God. This may be hyperbole; exaggeration to make a point, that there will be a radical change in behaviour for those who are born again. Therefore the Bible teaches that those who are redeemed are NOT SINNERS ANY MORE.

 

[justbyfaith]

We are THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST. 2 Corinthians 5:21.