Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

[Innerfire89]

I just visited the free masons website.
Theres three main criteria one must meet before even being interviewed.
1. Be a law abiding citizen.
2. Have a belief in a supreme being.
3. Have made the decision to join by thier own freewill, not for thier own benefit or idle curiosity.

#2 is a serious problem, the don't specify what supreme being, just believe in one, if someone doesn't believe in the one true God, Jesus Christ, then they are believing in a satanic lie.

There basic statement of purpose is to unite all men of every religion, is that supported by scripture?

 

[Albion]

I just visited the free masons website.

There must be a hundred of them. Which one did you visit?

Theres three main criteria one must meet before even being interviewed.
1. Be a law abiding citizen.
2. Have a belief in a supreme being.
3. Have made the decision to join by thier own freewill, not for thier own benefit or idle curiosity.

#2 is a serious problem, the don't specify what supreme being, just believe in one, if so one doesn't believe in the one true God, Jesus Christ, then they are believing in a satanic lie.

OK. Many Christians, whether Masons themselves or not, would agree that not believing in Christ is to be deceived by Satan.

There basic statement of purpose is to unite all men of every religion, is that supported by scripture?

Uh, no. That is not Masonrys basic statement of purpose.

 

[Innerfire89]

This is a good example of how people get things turned around. What I said was:

I was saying that--LIKE those other organizations--it is NOT a substitute for church.


Quite right!


The great majority of Masons in this country do. So you are wrong about that.

There are at least three ministers on Christian Forums who are Masons and are very forthcoming about it. However, an occasional Jewish Mason, or a Muslim, has his own religion. None of these is imposing anything on the others or speaking for them.


It is a drama that concerns a mythical stonemason who supposedly was involved with the building of King Solomons temple. He came long before the time of Christ.


I think I amended that reply in order to elaborate on it somewhat more, but if you have a follow-up question, do ask it.

My mistake, I misread your words there.

But does the organization itself recognize Christ as the only way to salvation? No.

Why would they have this drama that depicts some guy dying and raising from the dead?

 

[Innerfire89]

There must be a hundred of them. Which one did you visit?



OK. Many Christians, whether Masons themselves or not, would agree that not believing in Christ is to be deceived by Satan.


Uh, no. That is not Masonrys basic statement of purpose.

I don't know witch site it was, I'd post a link but that site wouldn't let me.

If a Christian doesn't believe that Christ is the only way then I'm not so sure they are a Christian, they're deffinitly in serious error. Masonry itself accept all belief to be valid.

I'm just sharing what the site said.

 

[Albion]

My mistake, I misread your words there.

But does the organization itself recognize Christ as the only way to salvation? No.

Thats right. It doesn't. That's because it is not a religion, just like the Kiwanis and the AFL-CIO labor union do not recognize Christ as the only way to salvation. It is not part of their purpose. In fact, a number of Christian churches do not either!

There are all sorts of associations, fraternities, and athletic organisations (for example) which do not restrict membership to Christians who affirm that Christ is the only way to salvation. You said that you do not belong to any associations of any sort. So, no credit union, no library card, nothing. BUT IF SO, you are one in a million.

Why would they have this drama that depicts some guy dying and raising from the dead?

It dramatizes the fact that the grave is not the end of existence. You believe that yourself, dont you?

 

[Albion]

I don't know witch site it was, I'd post a link but that site wouldn't let me.

You can read the name of the organization that maintains the website and then tell me, surely.

Masonry itself accept all belief to be valid.

No, it does not.

 

[Innerfire89]

Thats right. It doesn't. That's because it is not a religion, just like the Kiwanis and the AFL-CIO labor union do not recognize Christ as the only way to salvation. It is not part of their purpose. In fact, a number of Christian churches do not either!

There are all sorts of associations, fraternities, and athletic organisations (for example) which do not restrict membership to Christians who affirm that Christ is the only way to salvation. You said that you do not belong to any associations of any sort. So, no credit union, no library card, nothing. BUT IF SO, you are one in a million.

It dramatizes the fact that the grave is not the end of existence. You believe that yourself, dont you?

So they gather together for the betterment of mankind, but leave up Christ. Is belief in a supreme being a requirement or not, if it is, then they are religious.

I think I have a library card that's expired. But I don't see how having a library card would cause any harm whosoever, unless the purpose of the library is to give people ungodly reading material or something.

Of course I belive death is not the end, but what is it without Christ. And that's a religious teaching.

Any church that doesn't affirm Christ as the only way is a joke, Christianity teaches no such thing, they are deceived and useless.

 

[Innerfire89]

The web site is www.mason.org.au.

 

[Albion]

So they gather together for the betterment of mankind, but leave up Christ.

I said that members are encouraged to be faithful to their own churches. That overwhelmingly means Christianity.

I think I have a library card that's expired.

...and it never bothered your conscience that you were signing up to engage in a practice along with non-believers, and so became a co-participant in the activities of such people--borrowing books and adding your name to the list of other library cardholders??

But I don't see how having a library card would cause any harm whosoever, unless the purpose of the library is to give people ungodly reading material or something.

The library certainly does loan out such material which would not happen if there were no cardholders.

Whats more, "cause any harm" was not your standard of judgment when it came to Masonry. Then, it was supposed to matter simply that other members might be non-Christians or that the activities were something other than praising Christ.

 

[Albion]

The web site is www.mason.org.au.

OK. I looked at it and it does not seem to say anything like what you reported.

 

[JM]

There you go.

 

[Innerfire89]

I said that members are encouraged to be faithful to their own churches. That overwhelmingly means Christianity.



...and it never bothered your conscience that you were signing up to engage in a practice along with non-believers, and so became a co-participant in the activities of such people--borrowing books and adding your name to the list of other library cardholders??


The library certainly does loan out such material which would not happen if there were no cardholders.

Whats more, "cause any harm" was not your standard of judgment when it came to Masonry. Then, it was supposed to matter simply that other members might be non-Christians or that the activities were something other than praising Christ.

But I dont call other members of the library brothers, I don't take part in rituals, your comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, libraries have ungodly material, but is thier purpose to teach ungodly things? No, it's to provide infomation.

 

[Innerfire89]

OK. I looked at it and it does not seem to say anything like what you reported.

It says what the criteria for joining is
and at the end it say " In a world full of hate and dissemination, uniting men of all religions, skin color, and accents has never been more relevant"
It's on the part of the site that tells you how to join.

 

[Albion]

It says what the criteria for joining is
and at the end it say " In a world full of hate and dissemination, uniting men of all religions, skin color, and accents has never been more relevant"
It's on the part of the site that tells you how to join.

You know that you are reading something into that line which is not correct...because you knew, early in this discussion, that Masonry refuses men who are not monotheists and believe in the immortality of the human soul. That leaves out a whole lot of people who have some religion or other.

But I dont call other members of the library brothers, I don't take part in rituals, your comparing apples to oranges.

I dont think so. You are now adding conditions to your original criteria.

There is nothing in Christianity that conflicts with calling anyone brother or having a ritual. If ritual were counter to Christianity, none of us would be attending graduation ceremonies, serving in the military, or a hundred other things we do routinely with the support of our churches.

Yes, libraries have ungodly material, but is thier purpose to teach ungodly things? No, it's to provide information.

Once again, neither is it the purpose of Masonry to teach ungodly things!

It looks like your concerns have been addressed adequately. I hope I helped you.

 

[Innerfire89]

You know that you are reading something into that line which is not correct...because you knew, early in this discussion, that Masonry refuses men who are not monotheists and believe in the immortality of the human soul. That leaves out a whole lot of people who have some religion or other.

I dont think so. You are now adding conditions to your original criteria.

There is nothing in Christianity that conflicts with calling anyone brother or having a ritual. If ritual were counter to Christianity, none of us would be attending graduation ceremonies, serving in the military, or a hundred other things we do routinely with the support of our churches.



Once again, neither is it the purpose of Masonry to teach ungodly things!

It looks like your concerns have been addressed adequately. I hope I helped you.

I didn't read anything that wasn't there, either your viewing the wrong site, or you missed, or your a liar.

I didn't add to the criteria, your twisting my words.

 

[Shek]

They are truly examples of wolves in sheep's clothing. On the outside they put up a show but on inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Wanna see the actual definition in a visual?

A wool business suit, especially TV Evangelists that solicit donations.

Matthew 7:15 Greek Text Analysis

And if your Church leader shows up wearing a business suit, guess what?

 

[Shek]

The devil masks the truth behind lies and hides things in plain sight.

Absolutely correct.

The devil uses something that most people would never expect to deceive you; the truth.

The truth can be used against the ignorant simply by leaving out what you don't already know. While it's not a lie, it's an intent to deceive by not volunteering critical information.

Reminds me a lot of jeweler principles; don't ask, don't tell.

It's precisely how businesses can swindle their clients and walk away unscathed. You have to already have some knowledge of what you're doing or wanting by asking questions and stating terms. If you allow the business to state those terms without questioning what they're doing or why....then nobody to blame but yourself when they rob you blind and fabricate something that's built to break.

Absolutely unethical and crooked, but let's face the facts.....most trades are not in your best interests.

 

[Shek]

if someone doesn't believe in the one true God, Jesus Christ, then they are believing in a satanic lie.

Excuse me?

Exodus 20:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

Exodus 20:3 Hebrew Text Analysis

I guess that someone neglected to tell you WHO Jesus worshiped?

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6:9-13 - New International Version

John 14:28 Greek Text Analysis

And I'll bet that you didn't know that there's not a single passage in the Bible that says Jesus ever claimed to be God.

Not one of Jesus 12 Apostles ever made the claim.

Jesus was a Jew and he practiced Judaic Law.

Judaism 101

The 1 true God is the Father who rules Heaven.

Yahweh

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I didn't think Freemasonry was a religion. I've been in other clubs that had members from various backgrounds. I was in Toastmasters International for three years, and I think some of the people in my club were Hindu, I know several were Catholic, and others were Baptist, or maybe even "none,' but my family and I are still Christian.

There is a difference between a Service Club and a secret society.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Syncretism and religious indifference are demonic lies, freemasonry also has a lot of Kabbalah influenced symbolism and concepts

You are 100% correct... and Gnosticism.